India deploys 36,000 extra troops on Chinese border

[LaBong]

Which makes me wonder how long it will really take for India and China to overcome the sore points of the humiliating colonial legacies. Some European guy drew a line on a map and nearly a hundred years later the two Asian countries still couldn't get over it, you just have to laugh when you take a step back and look at it.

Some Chinese trying to imitate the Europeans don't help either. Hopefully this is only a forum, diplomats from both the countries should be pragmatic enough to know where they stand against each other.

 

[CardSharp]

Which makes me wonder how long it will really take for India and China to overcome the sore points of the humiliating colonial legacies. Some European guy drew a line on a map and nearly a hundred years later the two Asian countries still couldn't get over it, you just have to laugh when you take a step back and look at it.

Not entirely true, the quote from Zhou Enlai at the end of 1962 goes roughly, if you come ready to negotiate we can put everything behind us the very next day, but if you choose to resort to violence, China will have no choice but respond in kind.

India has not agreed to negotiate yet almost 50 years on.

 

[KS]

Sure if any of those empires survived into the 20th century (the period when the majority of nation states formed), they'd have a case

So shouldnt Japan be claiming half your country ?? Dont give this crap about fixing arbitrary deadlines. What is sauce for goose is sauce for gander !

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The only reason why India is a country is because they stayed a colony into the 1940's. If the British had not been there, there'd be crap loads of tiny nation states on the subcontinent.

Another crap of a theory by the colonial apologists. If the british had not come I would be living under a unified Maratha or a Sikh empire with two or three local fiefdoms - a far cry from the hundreds of tiny nation states.

Anyway why are these things being discussed in a thread that is concerned with a peaceful defensive buildup by India on its side of the border. ?

 

[CardSharp]

Have not been here a few days, I seriously look at this thread to see if there have a more surprising ideas for Indians.

Well what did you find?

 

[LaBong]

Not entirely true, the quote from Zhou Enlai at the end of 1962 goes rough to the sentiment, if you come ready to negotiate we can put everything behind the very next day, but if you choose to resort to violence, China will have no choice but respond in kind.

India has not agreed to negotiate yet almost 50 years on.

Neither it has resort to violence. So the point is moot. Zhou Enlai, quite ingeniously forgot to state the Chinese pov with respect to status quo.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Not entirely true, the quote from Zhou Enlai at the end of 1962 goes roughly, if you come ready to negotiate we can put everything behind us the very next day, but if you choose to resort to violence, China will have no choice but respond in kind.

India has not agreed to negotiate yet almost 50 years on.

In fact, I was more understandable for 1962, after coming to PDF,
why does the war between China and India.

 

[topjumper]

Not entirely true, the quote from Zhou Enlai at the end of 1962 goes roughly, if you come ready to negotiate we can put everything behind us the very next day, but if you choose to resort to violence, China will have no choice but respond in kind.

India has not agreed to negotiate yet almost 50 years on.

That's the attitude we all need, Zhou was a great guy. Shame it didn't work out for him.

 

[LaBong]

1987 Sino-Indian skirmish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At the end of 1986, India granted statehood to Arunachal Pradesh, which is an area claimed by China but administered by India. The Chinese government proceeded to protest. But the military movements in Tawang, taken in conjunction with this political action were seen as a provocation by the Chinese. In early 1987 Beijing's tone became similar to that of 1962, and with the Indian Army refusing to stand down, Western diplomats predicted war.
The Indian response to the Chinese buildup was Operation Falcon and involved movements across the Sino-Indian border. Among the more interesting deployments, using Mi-26 heavy lift helicopters, was that of Infantry Combat Vehicles (ICVs)and some armour in North Sikkim in the east and Demchok in the west. These two were viewed as particularly threatening by the PLA because they seemed to indicate that India had moved from a strategy of defence in its own territory to that of a larger offensive involving all of Arunachal Pradesh.

Talk about the restrain of mighty and just Dragon! You bad Indians, poked him again!

 

[huzihaidao12]

Well what did you find?

No surprise, because it is really used to it.

 

[CardSharp]

So shouldnt Japan be claiming half your country ?? Dont give this crap about fixing arbitrary deadlines. What is sauce for goose is sauce for gander !

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This is the time period when the most of the world went from empires or colonies to nation states (it helps if you look and understand the political science definition of a "nation state") The Republic of China was established 20 years before the Japanese invasion. The world condemned the Japanese for violating Chinese sovereign integrity, hence the oil embargo that lead to Japanese bombing pearl harbour and the later defeat of Japan.

Another crap of a theory by the colonial apologists. If the british had not come I would be living under a unified Maratha or a Sikh empire.

Ok if you say so.

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That's the attitude we all need, Zhou was a great guy. Shame it didn't work out for him.

How could it given what we see here?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Really no surprise, ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

[LaBong]

Anyway why are these things being discussed in a thread that is concerned with a peaceful defensive buildup by India on its side of the border. ?

That my friend, is provoking the restrain of China. Get used to it. Someone should put a mirror in front of these guys, and if they are a random sample of all Chinese then a mirror for whole country is needed as well!

 

[ps80]

Well ... when Indians refuse to accept any of the responsibility, one has to try and throw everything... if only to see what will stick. So far it's like throwing butter at teflon.

No official Chinese views exist but the basic Chinese position can be gleaned from the diplomatic exchanges between Nehru and Zhou Enlai.

Then we should avoid finger pointing and the blame game, since we don't have 'proper' information on what's going on behind the doors.

As I mentioned before several times, let the two governments do their job.

 

[KS]

This is the time period when the most of the world went from empires or colonies to nation states (it helps if you look and understand the political science definition of a "nation state") The Republic of China was established 20 years before the Japanese invasion. The world condemned the Japanese for violating Chinese sovereign integrity, hence the oil embargo that lead to Japanese bombing pearl harbour and the later defeat of Japan.

Sorry but in absence of any internationally recognised obligation/treaty (that has been accepted and ratified by India) that mandated that hereditary nation states of erstwhile empires have a legitimate claim on their former territories -- the Chinese claim is just a pure land-grabbing ruse and dont blame India for it.

Ok if you say so

Yep --- I am saying so.

 

[topjumper]

That my friend, is provoking the restrain of China. Get used to it. Someone should put a mirror in front of these guys, and if they are a random sample of all Chinese then a mirror for whole country is needed as well!

There we go, portraying the "innocent" India again. If you are following the latest round of comments here you'll see that this is not a discussion of India stationing however thousand troops, we are not that bothered by it, but the fact that some guys take one's good will as weakness and learns nothing from historical incidents and make no effort to resolve it. I guess I will have to "get used to it" as you suggested.