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India demands a nod from China !!!

All weather friends, but China is helping Pakistan selectively and not a la carte....

well its obvious. countries which hardly have any friends take even the limited friendship as all weather friendship.

as u say, 'if u don't get cashew-nuts, u try find them in peanuts !'

Ultimately china works for its own foreign policy and its in favour of china to support india.:azn:
 
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How is it in China's interests to support India in gaining a permanent seat at the UNSC?

depends on how they go about doing it. If CPC plays the NSG game again by holding out till the last minute only to finally accept, then there is not much benefit.
If however, they wholeheartedly support it, it could be a new chapter in Sino-Indian relations.
Anyway I don't think GOI is expecting a lot on that front in this visit.
The main agenda is going to be economic deals.
 
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If however, they wholeheartedly support it, it could be a new chapter in Sino-Indian relations.

That's the thing, I don't think either side is particularly interested in improving relations.

Keeping the status quo... while "poking" each other from time to time, seems to serve both sides well, as a means to contain their own internal nationalist sentiments.
 
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That's the thing, I don't think either side is particularly interested in improving relations.

Keeping the status quo... while "poking" each other from time to time, seems to serve both sides well, as a means to contain their own internal nationalist sentiments.

I agree somewhat, at least (in Short-Term) for India the status quo is resulting in money and tech pouring in the country. It also seems to help GOI when issues related to Pakistan and China crop up.
(US and China were in a similar situation wrt Soviets in early 70s)

Although I personally would prefer to see GOI developing friendly relations with its neighbors...it will be greatly beneficial in the long run.


CD what may be the benefit for CPC?
 
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India is getting the permanent UNSC seat. Its just a matter of time, and China will support us.

Pakistanis think China is like something exclusive to them. Lol. Its not.

Keep dreaming....:rofl:

China supported USA-India nuke deal.
India returned the favour by lobbying countries around the world to block the China-Pakistan Civilian Nuke deal.

I see so many reasons China will support India for u.n. seat :rofl::rofl:
 
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Keep dreaming....:rofl:

China supported USA-India nuke deal.
India returned the favour by lobbying countries around the world to block the China-Pakistan Civilian Nuke deal.

I see so many reasons China will support India for u.n. seat :rofl::rofl:

Really ??
Lot of Pakistani members laughing when our nuke deal came on table but we got that deal

And who you are ?? Chinese representative ??
Buddy just wait staple visa matter is almost resolved and next is UNSC :smokin:
 
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It is really funny to watch pakistanis speaking on behalf of "CPC"...:pop:

And those who think India will giveup kashmir for this UNSC seat..!!!

Oh please.. save us from your intellect brain..:pakistan:
 
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How is it in China's interests to support India in gaining a permanent seat at the UNSC?

well, its my analysis that china dont see india as a threat but as potential ally against the imperialists of west.

world bodies are run by them as they are the maximum fund providers to the organizations.

now hostility with india just to appease pakistan will only isolate u guyz and u know, so many attempts are going on and being planned to prove u guyz equal to pre WW1 germany. ;)

its in china's interest to focus good trade relations and ally with india so that asia united keeps west out of the region.

china knows india will always be second to them or nearly equal at max if they sustain their current growth for medium run.

but hostility with india will encourage india to strengthen their tie with the west which might be a problem for china as china still isnt a self sustained but a highly export dependent economy. china knows giving free ticket to west to encourage and support india will only make their tasks worse.

china dont see much dispute against india with regional affairs as much as pakistan does.

so there is no good reason for china not to ally with india...infact there are lot more pros than cons.

what u questioned me is by understanding the short term scenario....but foreign policies dont run on short term goals.
 
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How is it in China's interests to support India in gaining a permanent seat at the UNSC?

Waking up Indians from their wet dream :

New Delhi hopes for change in stand on India’s Security Council bid Ties with India fragile: Beijing
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/120285/ties-india-fragile-beijing.html

Chinese Ambassador Zhang Yan cautioned India on Monday that the fragile relation between the two countries was easy to be damaged and difficult to repair. He also said the ties needed special care in the information age.

Even as New Delhi hopes that Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao’s visit to India this week will iron out differences in the complex bilateral relation, Zhang warned that the Sino-Indian ties “are very fragile.”

Zhang, while subtly prodding New Delhi to tone down anti-China rhetoric in media and public discourse in India, said the government should “provide guidance to the public to avoid a war of words.”

Zhang was speaking at a conference organised by the Federation of Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industries. His remarks have come just two days before Wen’s arrival for his second visit to India. New Delhi hopes that Beijing will not only address some of its concerns—like the Chinese policy of issuing stapled visas to Jammu and Kashmir citizens and limited access for India Inc in the neighbouring country’s market—during Wen’s visit, but would also spell out a more nuanced position on India’s bid for a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council (UNSC).

Wen is visiting New Delhi at the end of a year that has seen UK Prime Minister David Cameroon, US President Barack Obama and French President Nicholas Sarkozy all coming to India and openly supporting its bid for a permanent seat in the UNSC. India also won elections for a non-permanent seat in the UNSC for 2011-13 last October.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, too, is expected to articulate Moscow’s support for India’s UNSC aspirations while visiting New Delhi later this month. China has so far been maintaining that it understands India’s desire to play a greater role in the United Nations, but stopped short of supporting New Delhi’s bid for a permanent Security Council seat. New Delhi, however, hopes that China will subtly change its position and it may be reflected in the joint communiqué to be issued after Wen’s meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday.

China—like the US, UK, France and Russia—is a permanent member of the UNSC and its support is of vital importance for India. Zhang, however, remained non-committal on the issue of Beijing reviewing its policy of giving “stapled visa” to Indian citizens of Jammu and Kashmir for travelling to China.

Replying to journalists’ queries on the sidelines of the conference, the Chinese envoy just said the issue of stapled visa was being discussed by Beijing and New Delhi. “It is being discussed, we are aware of the issue,” he added.

Chinese policy of issuing visas stapled on passport to J&K citizens has emerged as a major irritant in Sino-Indian relation over the past one year with New Delhi seeing it as Beijing’s way of negating its claim on troubled state as an integral part of India.
Gautam Bambawale, Joint Secretary (East Asia) in the Ministry of External Affairs, said India would take up the issue of stapled visa with China during Wen’s visit as it had been doing over the past several months. “We hope that the Chinese side will address our concern,” he said. Significantly, the Chinese Embassy in New Delhi recently issued regular visas—stamped on passport pages—to at least three people from J&K.

What New Delhi apparently feels unhappy about is Wen’s decision to travel to Pakistan after his visit to India, going against the trend Obama and other world leaders set of late by not putting the two South Asian neighbours together in their itinerary. India may also take up the issue of Chinese companies’ role in infrastructure projects in ***************** Kashmir and express its concern over Sino-Pak nuclear cooperation during Wen’s visit.
 
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Not going to the Nobel Prize ceremony, was such a SMALL favour to ask for.

I don't know why they turned down such an opportunity, just before Wen Jiabao came to visit. Especially since they want the big favour of UNSC support.
refer to my post. number is 18.
 
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Not going to the Nobel Prize ceremony, was such a SMALL favour to ask for.

I don't know why they turned down such an opportunity, just before Wen Jiabao came to visit. Especially since they want the big favour of UNSC support.

@ CD & other Chinese members, Have you Guys completely forgot or simply trying to ignore out of your jealousy that it was INDIA who was most vociferous for China's permanant membership of UN Security Council?
When Chinese PM Mr.jiabao calls Indian PM Manmohan Singh his Elder Brother, when common Chinese in Villages respects Indian Ethos by calling it 'Guru Nation'," & Remember: Admiration is mutual", I wonder, why we are trying to subvert relationship between two Historically Great Nation here?
 
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@ CD & other Chinese members, Have you Guys completely forgot or simply trying to ignore out of your jealousy that it was INDIA who was most vociferous for China's permanant membership of UN Security Council?
When Chinese PM Mr.jiabao calls Indian PM Manmohan Singh his Elder Brother, when common Chinese in Villages respects Indian Ethos by calling it 'Guru Nation'," & Remember: Admiration is mutual", I wonder, why we are trying to subvert relationship between two Historically Great Nation here?

Stop twisting the facts. Western nations including USA formed the United Nation and Taiwan was a permanent member but later Western Nations gave Taiwan's seat to China.

India has nothing to do with China's membership at the U.N.
 
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