India confirms deal with Russia for T-90 tanks under a contract of $2 billion

[bananarepublic]

People need to understand that T90MS are not being procured at the cost of Arjun MBT.

Are you going to give a 68 ton MBT to our mountain strike corps ?

There is a defined requirement for medium weight tanks ( T90S/M/MS and T72M) and Heavy Weight Tanks (Arjun ). And requirement of both neither overlap each other nor their procurement.

On the topic , good.

So you guys designed a tank for limited production while not designing a medium weight tank as most.lf IA uses MEDIUM WEIGHT TANKS.

And how do you exactly use tanks in mountainous warfare .

 

[duhastmish]

Bad news for india. T90 is nowhere close to even current arjun.

 

[halupridol]

Arjun will be world class n best in class like all our indiginous defence products,,t90 is mehh

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

So you guys designed a tank for limited production while not designing a medium weight tank as most.lf IA uses MEDIUM WEIGHT TANKS.

And how do you exactly use tanks in mountainous warfare .

Yes. Arjuns origin was due to the Pakistan US alliance, which might have provided Pakistan with Abrams. [Which eventually didn't happened .] The Requirement of Heavy tanks is only in few areas for us, so Arjun Production or more aptly use of Heavy tanks in IA will be limited to 8-10 Regiments.About ~500 Tanks.

While the rest need of near 5000 Tanks is fulfilled by T90MS/M and upgraded T72s.

As for use of Tanks in mountains , your all weather friend is pushing in billions to develop a light tank for deployment against us. There must be a use, isn't it.

 

[#hydra#]

Arjun will be world class n best in class like all our indiginous defence products,,t90 is mehh

Who is this lady, in ur DP?

Irony is that we developed a MBT that is too heavy for its user,and fighter aircraft which is too light and small for its user. What a pathetic planning.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Who is this lady, in ur DP?

Irony is that we developed a MBT that is too heavy for its user,and fighter aircraft which is too light and small for its user. What a pathetic planning.

Not commenting on LCA part.

But the vision and the need for which Arjun was developed , its serving it. It was made to be heavy and IA needed it. But global happenings meant that the possible sale of M1s to Pakistan didn't happen.


I will again only say. That the task for which Arjun was developed, it fulfills it and Army is happy for it. And no less than 8 Arjun Regiments will see service.

Talking about Arjun and T90MS is like, if we have Su30MKI why are we buying for a single engine fighter ?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Irony is that we developed a MBT that is too heavy for its user,and fighter aircraft which is too light and small for its user. What a pathetic planning.

I think the original requirement was for a 4 manned tank, rifled-bore, then they just went straight for something completely opposite in the form of the T90. Pakistan getting T80 obviously had a big role, and Arjuns delay at the time.

Too much of a disconnect between user, developer, production agency, even MoD. Dirty work has a lot of influence as well.

 

[halupridol]

Who is this lady, in ur DP?

Irony is that we developed a MBT that is too heavy for its user,and fighter aircraft which is too light and small for its user. What a pathetic planning.

Jantee hazarika.
The funny thing abt arjun is tht everyone will say its gud or better thn t90(comparative trials)its corrupt army,mod,ofb this that,,,,,but when the nationalist govt. doesnt want to induct/shove it,,,it means,probably arjun is actually what cynics suspected,,a glorified piece of junk.
As far as tejas is concerned,,lol
after importing almost all critical systems,,dpsus cant even get the screwdrivering right.
After decades,n thousands of promises,,All they cud come up wid is this flying lemon,no gun,no bvr,,god knows when foc will be achieved,,no wonder iaf doesnt want it.its not light combat aircraft,,its actually lamba chutiya aircraft.its a joke,thts what it is.

 

[AMCA]

What about the present are the local industries just gonna create prototype and the IA is going to induct them in small numbers and the bigger piece of the pie is going to be given to foreign companies.seems to me the future is bleak unless they push for local equipment even if it not proven or not better then foreign equipment the IA should stick with the local industry develop them.

Off topic:look at Pakistan's local industry we are pushing for local manufacturing relentlessly and trying to indigenize the defence sector while our neighbors have a well developed industrial base cannot even manufacture sufficient ammunition for the IA it is such a waste of the Indian government

The new defense policy has provided Indian designed or developed products an upper hand over foreign and the defense forces have little or no say in it. So the future is anything but bleak. Pvt companies Like TATA, Mahindra, Reliance, Punj Lloyed, Bharat Forge are already coming forward to participate in Indian FMBT program.

Off topic: Pakistan's local industry(Assuming you have one) is not doing anything on its own. Check the amount of budget Pakistan allocates for R&D. All your products are either Chinese or Chinese assisted. India has not provided license to manufacture Ammunition to Pvt Players. As a matter of fact, a pvt company by the name Bharat Forge was provided temporary license to manufacture ammunition during Kargil and within a few days they opened the production line and started supplying the same as hot cake.

 

[abc123xyx]

according to the procedure , armed forces send their requirements to defence ministry..
so , as seem the IA has send a requirement of 468 tanks to defence ministry , which the ministry has approved..

next the proposal will go to CCS , and then finally to finance ministry...

earlier also , refuel tanker deal was scraped by finance ministry siting it overpriced.....and there are various proposals which the finance ministry is holding already...

wait , t90 is not a done deal yet...

 

[punit]

Does the army has any shame left ?

no! DRDO and its sisters are the sole owner of all shame.

Weather it is heavy or not,if it can kill enemy tanks much before a t90 could,it it having better survivability than t90 I don't see any valid point for not to induct Arjun.

and how will u send Arjun to the battle field not suitable to its weight category ?

 

[Surya 1]

Parikkar has bought some game changer stuff including Rafale and T 90 MS. These are game changer purchases. Rafale in the north and T 90 MS on west can make a bloody hell of difference.

 

[punit]

This is fucking disgraceful. No wonders our neighbors mocks as cowards. If our armed forces are not ready to accept our product, even when it is deemed superior, we are cowards.

Indigenous products must not be crap produced by govt owned industries . why not invite Pvt players like we did in case of Howitzer ? if Army still refuses to buy products made Pvt Indian companies then u can bad mouth it as munch u can,

Heavy for some terrain not entirely useless.. that's why only limited number of 370 total...

Lucky! !!?? There're more weapons used by both indian and pakistan military which have never been proven... Arjun in actual tests by IA and Israeli experts out classed t90 tanks in speed/maneuvers and firepower/accuracy only problem was weight which was used by the IA to push for foreign mall so they can make some money out of it.

and the developers of Arjun in all their infinite wisdom .. increased the weight instead of reducing it.

 

[bananarepublic]

The new defense policy has provided Indian designed or developed products an upper hand over foreign and the defense forces have little or no say in it. So the future is anything but bleak. Pvt companies Like TATA, Mahindra, Reliance, Punj Lloyed, Bharat Forge are already coming forward to participate in Indian FMBT program.

Off topic: Pakistan's local industry(Assuming you have one) is not doing anything on its own. Check the amount of budget Pakistan allocates for R&D. All your products are either Chinese or Chinese assisted. India has not provided license to manufacture Ammunition to Pvt Players. As a matter of fact, a pvt company by the name Bharat Forge was provided temporary license to manufacture ammunition during Kargil and within a few days they opened the production line and started supplying the same as hot cake.

Well those Chinese assisted and products are better than those so called indigenous tejas and Arjun which haven't even been properly inducted. Look at how much al Khalid tanks we have produced or jf 17. My point is you guys should stick to the local industry I know they have the capabilities to produce top tier equipment but I don't know who is to fault about the slow paced induction of home grown equipment.

 

[Surya 1]

India is now a days buying highly specific @$$ kicking stuff for various vital defense needs. It includes M77 Howitzers, Long range stratagic bomber to take care of chinese navy, Brahmos Block II in arunachal pradesh. Buying these T 90 is a continuation in this direction.