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India, China emerging as IT giants

I don't think an indian would know what a chinese company even I don't know what Huawei is.

India PRESSURED Huawei to hand over source code and equipment designs to Indian companies :

Government demands foreign firm transfer technology
Huawei pledges to give India source code and equipment designs - ComputerworldUK.com

Huawei Technologies is willing to accept new Indian rules that will require telecommunication equipment suppliers to, among other conditions, give the government access to source code and engineering designs for its equipment, the company said on Thursday. The Chinese company welcomes the new security rules, and will cooperate closely with the government on the new guidelines, a company spokesman said.

Under new rules for service providers that were proposed by the Department of Telecommunications (DOT), equipment vendors are required to allow service providers and the DOT or designated agencies to inspect their hardware, software, design, development, manufacturing facility and supply chain, and subject all software to a security threat check at the time of procurement and at specified instances thereafter.

Huawei Technologies is willing to accept new Indian rules that will require telecommunication equipment suppliers to, among other conditions, give the government access to source code and engineering designs for its equipment, the company said on Thursday. The Chinese company welcomes the new security rules, and will cooperate closely with the government on the new guidelines, a company spokesman said.

Under new rules for service providers that were proposed by the Department of Telecommunications (DOT), equipment vendors are required to allow service providers and the DOT or designated agencies to inspect their hardware, software, design, development, manufacturing facility and supply chain, and subject all software to a security threat check at the time of procurement and at specified instances thereafter.

very soon Indian companies will use these Chinese Source Code and Chinese Equipment design to make "Indian stuff" and will be labeled as "Indigenous" !!!
 
^ India managed to get Huawei designs. Thats impressive to say the least, billions saved on R&D.
 
Information technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Information technology (IT) is the acquisition, processing, storage and dissemination of vocal, pictorial, textual and numerical information by a microelectronics-based combination of computing and telecommunications
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IT is the area of managing technology and spans wide variety of areas that include but are not limited to things such as processes, computer software, information systems, computer hardware, programming languages, and data constructs. In short, anything that renders data, information or perceived knowledge in any visual format whatsoever, via any multimedia distribution mechanism, is considered part of the domain space known as Information Technology (IT).
IT professionals perform a variety of functions (IT Disciplines/Competencies) that range from installing applications to designing complex computer networks and information databases. A few of the duties that IT professionals perform may include data management, networking, engineering computer hardware, database and software design, as well as management and administration of entire systems. Information technology is starting to spread further than the conventional personal computer and network technology, and more into integrations of other technologies such as the use of cell phones, televisions, automobiles, and more, which is increasing the demand for such jobs.
 
If Huawei doesn't have a problem giving source codes and designs, I wonder what's bothering the poster. ;)
 
If Huawei doesn't have a problem giving source codes and designs, I wonder what's bothering the poster. ;)

Huawei wants a market and we want the designs.

Benefit for both.

Some Pakistanis feeling the pinch :lol:
 
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Please read the following Wall Street Journal article and then decide if India is or will be an IT giant. Just churning out call centers and coders will not make a country IT giant.

India Graduates Millions, But Too Few Are Fit to Hire

By GEETA ANAND

BANGALORE, India—Call-center company 24/7 Customer Pvt. Ltd. is desperate to find new recruits who can answer questions by phone and email. It wants to hire 3,000 people this year. Yet in this country of 1.2 billion people, that is beginning to look like an impossible goal.

So few of the high school and college graduates who come through the door can communicate effectively in English, and so many lack a grasp of educational basics such as reading comprehension, that the company can hire just three out of every 100 applicants.

India projects an image of a nation churning out hundreds of thousands of students every year who are well educated, a looming threat to the better-paid middle-class workers of the West. Their abilities in math have been cited by President Barack Obama as a reason why the U.S. is facing competitive challenges.

Yet 24/7 Customer's experience tells a very different story. Its increasing difficulty finding competent employees in India has forced the company to expand its search to the Philippines and Nicaragua. Most of its 8,000 employees are now based outside of India.

In the nation that made offshoring a household word, 24/7 finds itself so short of talent that it is having to offshore.

"With India's population size, it should be so much easier to find employees," says S. Nagarajan, founder of the company. "Instead, we're scouring every nook and cranny."

India's economic expansion was supposed to create opportunities for millions to rise out of poverty, get an education and land good jobs. But as India liberalized its economy starting in 1991 after decades of socialism, it failed to reform its heavily regulated education system.

Business executives say schools are hampered by overbearing bureaucracy and a focus on rote learning rather than critical thinking and comprehension. The government keeps tuition low, which makes schools accessible to more students, but also keeps teacher salaries and budgets low. What's more, say educators and business leaders, the curriculum in most places is outdated and disconnected from the real world.

"If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys," says Vijay Thadani, chief executive of New Delhi-based NIIT Ltd. India, a recruitment firm that also runs job-training programs for college graduates lacking the skills to land good jobs.

Muddying the picture is that on the surface, India appears to have met the demand for more educated workers with a quantum leap in graduates. Engineering colleges in India now have seats for 1.5 million students, nearly four times the 390,000 available in 2000, according to the National Association of Software and Services Companies, a trade group.

But 75% of technical graduates and more than 85% of general graduates are unemployable by India's high-growth global industries, including information technology and call centers, according to results from assessment tests administered by the group.

Another survey, conducted annually by Pratham, a nongovernmental organization that aims to improve education for the poor, looked at grade-school performance at 13,000 schools across India. It found that about half of the country's fifth graders can't read at a second-grade level.

At stake is India's ability to sustain growth—its economy is projected to expand 9% this year—while maintaining its advantages as a low-cost place to do business.

The challenge is especially pressing given the country's more youthful population than the U.S., Europe and China. More than half of India's population is under the age of 25, and one million people a month are expected to seek to join the labor force here over the next decade, the Indian government estimates. The fear is that if these young people aren't trained well enough to participate in the country's glittering new economy, they pose a potential threat to India's stability.

"Economic reforms are not about goofy rich guys buying Mercedes cars," says Manish Sabharwal, managing director of Teamlease Services Ltd., an employee recruitment and training firm in Bangalore. "Twenty years of reforms are worth nothing if we can't get our kids into jobs."

Yet even as the government and business leaders acknowledge the labor shortage, educational reforms are a long way from becoming law. A bill that gives schools more autonomy to design their own curriculum, for example, is expected to be introduced in the cabinet in the next few weeks, and in parliament later this year.

"I was not prepared at all to get a job," says Pradeep Singh, 23, who graduated last year from RKDF College of Engineering, one of the city of Bhopal's oldest engineering schools. He has been on five job interviews—none of which led to work. To make himself more attractive to potential employers, he has enrolled in a five-month-long computer programming course run by NIIT.

Mr. Singh and several other engineering graduates said they learned quickly that they needn't bother to go to some classes. "The faculty take it very casually, and the students take it very casually, like they've all agreed not to be bothered too much," Mr. Singh says. He says he routinely missed a couple of days of classes a week, and it took just three or four days of cramming from the textbook at the end of the semester to pass the exams.

Others said cheating, often in collaboration with test graders, is rampant. Deepak Sharma, 26, failed several exams when he was enrolled at a top engineering college outside of Delhi, until he finally figured out the trick: Writing his mobile number on the exam paper.

That's what he did for a theory-of-computation exam, and shortly after, he says the examiner called him and offered to pass him and his friends if they paid 10,000 rupees each, about $250. He and four friends pulled together the money, and they all passed the test.

"I feel almost 99% certain that if I didn't pay the money, I would have failed the exam again," says Mr. Sharma.

BC Nakra, Pro Vice Chancellor of ITM University, where Mr. Sharma studied, said in an interview that there is no cheating at his school, and that if anyone were spotted cheating in this way, he would be "behind bars." He said he had read about a case or two in the newspaper, and in the "rarest of the rare cases, it might happen somewhere, and if you blow [it] out of all proportions, it effects the entire community." The examiner couldn't be located for comment.

Cheating aside, the Indian education system needs to change its entire orientation to focus on learning, says Saurabh Govil, senior vice president in human resources at Wipro Technologies. Wipro, India's third largest software exporter by sales, says it has struggled to find skilled workers. The problem, says Mr. Govil, is immense: "How are you able to change the mind-set that knowledge is more than a stamp?"

At 24/7 Customer's recruiting center on a recent afternoon, 40 people were filling out forms in an interior lobby filled with bucket seats. In a glass-walled conference room, a human-resources executive interviewed a group of seven applicants. Six were recent college graduates, and one said he was enrolled in a correspondence degree program.

One by one, they delivered biographical monologues in halting English. The interviewer interrupted one young man who spoke so fast, it was hard to tell what he was saying. The young man was instructed to compose himself and start from the beginning. He tried again, speaking just as fast, and was rejected after the first round.

Another applicant, Rajan Kumar, said he earned a bachelor's degree in engineering a couple of years ago. His hobby is watching cricket, he said, and his strength is punctuality. The interviewer, noting his engineering degree, asked why he isn't trying to get a job in a technical field, to which he replied: "Right now, I'm here." This explanation was judged inadequate, and Mr. Kumar was eliminated, too.

A 22-year-old man named Chaudhury Laxmikant Dash, who graduated last year, also with a bachelor's in engineering, said he's a game-show winner whose hobby is international travel. But when probed by the interviewer, he conceded, "Until now I have not traveled." Still, he made it through the first-round interview, along with two others, a woman and a man who filled out his application with just one name, Robinson.

For their next challenge, they had to type 25 words a minute. The woman typed a page only to learn her pace was too slow at 18 words a minute. Mr. Dash, sweating and hunched over, couldn't get his score high enough, despite two attempts.

Only Mr. Robinson moved on to the third part of the test, featuring a single paragraph about nuclear war followed by three multiple-choice questions. Mr. Robinson stared at the screen, immobilized. With his failure to pass the comprehension section, the last of the original group of applicants was eliminated.

The average graduate's "ability to comprehend and converse is very low," says Satya Sai Sylada, 24/7 Customer's head of hiring for India. "That's the biggest challenge we face."

Indeed, demand for skilled labor continues to grow. Tata Consultancy Services, part of the Tata Group, expects to hire 65,000 people this year, up from 38,000 last year and 700 in 1986.

Trying to bridge the widening chasm between job requirements and the skills of graduates, Tata has extended its internal training program. It puts fresh graduates through 72 days of training, double the duration in 1986, says Tata chief executive N. Chandrasekaran. Tata has a special campus in south India where it trains 9,000 recruits at a time, and has plans to bump that up to 10,000.

Wipro runs an even longer, 90-day training program to address what Mr. Govil, the human-resources executive, calls the "inherent inadequacies" in Indian engineering education. The company can train 5,000 employees at once.

Both companies sent teams of employees to India's approximately 3,000 engineering colleges to assess the quality of each before they decided where to focus their campus recruiting efforts. Tata says 300 of the schools made the cut; for Wipro, only 100 did.



For complete article, please refer to the following link:
online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703515504576142092863219826.html
 
India PRESSURED Huawei to hand over source code and equipment designs to Indian companies :



very soon Indian companies will use these Chinese Source Code and Chinese Equipment design to make "Indian stuff" and will be labeled as "Indigenous" !!!

They want the entry in one of the fastest growing countries and we want their codes .
It's like a JV . :D

We didnt force Huawei to give the code .
We obtained it legally
If Huawei doesnt has any problem in giving the source code , I dont know why u r having problem . :P
 
According the criterion of the Indians here, Intel and Cisco are not IT companies. Only software outsourcing counts.
 
According the criterion of the Indians here, Intel and Cisco are not IT companies. Only software outsourcing counts.

Intel, Cisco, Microsoft, Honeywell, HP are all regarded as product companies in India and companies like Infosys, Wipro, HCL, TCS are often called as IT companies. Thats the way it has been termed in India ever since high tech companies are operating in India.
 
Intel, Cisco, Microsoft, Honeywell, HP are all regarded as product companies in India and companies like Infosys, Wipro, HCL, TCS are often called as IT companies. Thats the way it has been termed in India ever since high tech companies are operating in India.

Lol, even Microsoft is a non-IT company!:yahoo:

Well, it seems Indians have their own definition of IT, and by that definition, India certainly is a giant of IT.
 
Lol, even Microsoft is a non-IT company!:yahoo:

Well, it seems Indians have their own definition of IT, and by that definition, India certainly is a giant of IT.

NIIT honoured as the most Influential IT Training Brand in China

- Wins a total of five Education Awards in China on the occasion of 60th Anniversary of People’s Republic of China (PRC)

- Honoured by Chinese Society of Educational Development Strategy (CSEDS) under the Ministry of Education of PRC


New Delhi/ Beijing, NIIT, leading Global Talent Development Corporation and Asia’s largest IT trainer, was recently honoured for its contribution to the IT Training industry in China, by the Chinese Society of Educational Development Strategy (CSEDS), under Ministry of Education of PRC, at a recently held function in Beijing, to mark the 60th Anniversary of the People’s Republic of China.

Besides being honoured as the as the most Influential IT Training Brand in China, NIIT received a total of five Education Awards as below:

• The most influential IT Training Brand in China
• Top 10 Brand in overall Training industry of China
• Top 10 Brand in student placement within Training industry in China
• Most influential Brand in Franchising within Training industry of China
• Celebrity award to Prakash Menon, President, NIIT China, for influencing the development of Training industry in China


Speaking on the recognition, Mr. Vijay Thadani, CEO, NIIT Ltd. said, “For over a decade now, NIIT has been involved in creation of skilled ICT manpower in China and has trained close to a hundred thousand students till date. These awards are recognition of our efforts, to create a large number of well-trained, world-class IT professionals in line with business needs for IT enterprises in the country.”

NIIT was felicitated for its outstanding contribution to Chinese education and its great contribution to the stability of society and employment-oriented talent training. The awards were presented at the "Summit for Chinese educational training and strategy development of the People’s Republic of China 60th Anniversary”, organized by Industry Education Partnership Committee of Chinese Society of Educational Development Strategy (CSEDS), under the Ministry of Education of PRC, ChinaEB, China International Education Online and over 40 primary media organizations to survey and choose a new direction in Chinese educational training and training brand.

Speaking at the summit, Mr. Prakash Menon, President, NIIT China said, “This award is for all NIITians as it is they who create continuous innovations in education that gives the very best to the students".

The summit "60 years of new direction - Who will lead the next 60 years" aimed to highlight PRC’s achievement in private educational training by advanced theory and practice experience, to vigorously extend high-end brand, to set new targets for the next 60 years, to lead the new direction in the next 60 years and furthermore improve the innovation and development of private educational training.

NIIT in China

NIIT, the leading Global Talent Development Corporation, established its presence in China in 1997, becoming the first Indian IT enterprise to do so. With its advanced IT education and training experience and excellent IT solutions, NIIT cooperated with Pudong Institute of Continuing Education which is subordinate to Shanghai Educational Commission in founding NIIT-TVE IT Institute. In the past decade, NIIT made continuous efforts to meet its target - providing a large number of well-trained and world-class IT professionals in line with business needs for IT enterprises in China.

In 2001, NIIT upgraded its software development courses to meet the requirements of Chinese market. In the same year, NIIT established a solely foreign invested company - NIIT (Shanghai) Co Ltd. to provide globally synchronous IT courses for its partners in China. And it also first introduced the IT education licensed league mode in China's education industry. NIIT passed ISO9001 International Quality Management System Certification in 2002.

By the end of 2005, NIIT had also started its software development business in China and successfully completed the Beijing Airport logistics terminal project. NIIT has launched popular courses like Network Engineer Curriculum and Magic Code Gaming Engineer Curriculum and the Mastermind Software Engineer Curriculum. In order to help Chinese science and engineering graduates quickly meet the IT talent requirement criteria of globalized enterprises, NIIT allied with a number of well-known international IT enterprises such as Microsoft, Sun, Cisco and CompTIA to introduce the specially tailored curriculum, which not only provides employment opportunities, but also facilitates globalized enterprises to supplement qualified IT talents in China so as to increase and maintain their competence in market.

NIIT has a very unique business model for co-operation with universities and colleges in China called the- “NIIT Inside model”, where NIIT programs are embedded inside university/college IT curriculum. Chinese students may undergo a 4 year Bachelor Degree program or a 3 year Associate Degree program post 12th grade in Information Technology. The NIIT curriculum is embedded into both these programs across 129 universities and colleges in China. While the university system continues to teach the rest of the subjects that a student undergoes such as Chinese language, Science etc to obtain a Bachelor Degree, the IT portion is completely from NIIT. The students get the degree or the associate degree from the university/government and also receive a certificate, GNIIT (Graduate of NIIT), from NIIT.

Today, NIIT has 183 cooperative education and training sites across 25 provinces and cities in China.

With the support of its outstanding partners and institutions, NIIT has trained more than 100,000 outstanding IT students in all. Today, with the help of NIIT's job placement department, these outstanding graduates scatter around China in many companies, including IBM, China Telecom, NTT DATA, Hewlett-Packard, Bertelsmann, Bank of Shanghai, UFIDA software, etc. NIIT has been training skilled IT professionals for China's software outsourcing industry.

NIIT has also received various awards and recognition in the country. It received the "Annual Best Placement and Best Training Institution" by China Computer Gazette in 2003. It was awarded the "Most Influential IT Education Certificate Brand in China" and the "Best IT Training Curriculum" in 2004, and the "Best Training Institute by Undergraduates" in 2007.

http://niit.com/newsandevents/Lists...t=a325a1cf-a064-4573-b17a-3ce893a0d178&ID=191
 
NIIT have 250 training centers in china and NIIT is training Chinese in IT for more then 2 decades.

Even govt. of china accepts its contribution to china and awards NIIT for it.
 
Do realize that Information Technology is far different from Electronics, Telecommunications, Automation, Computer Engineering, Scientific Programming and other closely related fields. It does not even cover all of software.
 
Do realize that Information Technology is far different from Electronics, Telecommunications, Automation, Computer Engineering, Scientific Programming and other closely related fields. It does not even cover all of software.

No, but whats your point?. Do you even have a point?
 

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