India-China border talks put off after row over Dalai Lama

[Manas]

India betrayed China with its so called "forward policy".as for Sino Vietnam war,China won in every aspect.I can list all the detailed figures upon request.

You won in every aspect of that you can provide detail upon request ???

Tell that to your kids or people of village with no access to free information .Hey the second one could mean the whole country of china.

 

[Xi'an_ist]

You guys are cowards who betrayed our pledge of Friendship and launch an attack when we were not at all expecting this from supposedly friendly country .

In the process you made India your enemy who'll never trust you ever again in future.

In today's circumstances you know whats your chances are in front of well prepared and well equpped indian army.

If you don't know whats happens when Chinese army faces an battle hardened opposition ,let me refresh your memories...

Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia where a tiny country bloodied your giant nose.

And do you think the PLA that fought during the Sino-Vietnamese war is the same PLA as of today? Do you think that the current PLA employs the same tactics and equipment like in 1979?

 

[Tshering22]

And do you think the PLA that fought during the Sino-Vietnamese war is the same PLA as of today? Do you think that the current PLA employs the same tactics and equipment like in 1979?

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And do you think the PLA that fought during the Sino-Vietnamese war is the same PLA as of today? Do you think that the current PLA employs the same tactics and equipment like in 1979?

That is applicable to every nation around you. Just because many of the information is not told or told incomplete to media doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There are some matters critical to strategic interests that even our own masala media cannot derive no matter how much they rant about "free information". The military doesn't tell more than 70% of their stuff outside.

Not just India but any country for that matter will never reveal their trump cards unless in a war. The only difference is that we show stuff outside more than you that's all. Doesn't mean that's the only stuff we got.

 

[Xi'an_ist]

That is applicable to every nation around you. Just because many of the information is not told or told incomplete to media doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There are some matters critical to strategic interests that even our own masala media cannot derive no matter how much they rant about "free information". The military doesn't tell more than 70% of their stuff outside.

Not just India but any country for that matter will never reveal their trump cards unless in a war. The only difference is that we show stuff outside more than you that's all. Doesn't mean that's the only stuff we got.

But I believe it is widely accepted that the Vietnamese forces had better strategy and motivation than the PLA in 1979. And they were more battle-hardened after the Vietnam War. Just like the IA which is very different from 1962, the PLA is also very different from 1979.

 

[Tshering22]

But I believe it is widely accepted that the Vietnamese forces had better strategy and motivation than the PLA in 1979. And they were more battle-hardened after the Vietnam War. Just like the IA which is very different from 1962, the PLA is also very different from 1979.

I agree. Situations change. That was a reasonable comment. Because before this comment, unfortunately many people assume things wrongly here and start posting dreamy nonsense at times

 

[beijingwalker]

ok,time to show some figures about 1979 short war.all informations are from third party sources.

Sino-Vietnamese War
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Chinese invaded Northern Vietnam and captured some of the northernmost cities in Vietnam. On March 6 China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved and retreated back to China. Both China and Vietnam claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars of the twentieth century; as Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until 1989 it can be said that the PRC failed to achieve the goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement in Cambodia. China achieved its strategic objective of reducing the offensive capability of Vietnam along the Sino-Vietnam border by implementing a scorched earth policy. China also achieved another strategic objective of demonstrating to its Cold War foe, the Soviet Union, that they were unable to protect their Vietnamese ally. As many as 1.5 million Chinese troops were stationed along China's borders with the USSR at the time and were prepared for a full-scale war.

Bruce Elleman "one of the primary diplomatic goals behind China's attack was to expose Soviet assurances of military support to Vietnam as a fraud. Seen in this light, Beijing's policy was actually a diplomatic success, since Moscow did not actively intervene, thus showing the practical limitations of the Soviet-Vietnamese military pact.... China achieved a strategic victory by minimizing the future possibility of a two-front war against the USSR and Vietnam."

wikipedia

Aftermath

To reduce Vietnam's military capability against China, the Chinese implemented a "scorched-earth policy" while returning to China, causing extensive damage to the Vietnamese countryside and infrastructure.[31] Although Vietnam continued to occupy Cambodia, China successfully mobilized international opposition to the occupation, rallying such leaders as Cambodia's deposed king Norodom Sihanouk, Cambodian anticommunist leader Son Sann, and high-ranking members of the Khmer Rouge to deny the pro-Vietnam regime in Cambodia diplomatic recognition beyond the Soviet bloc. China improved relations with ASEAN by promising protection to Thailand and Singapore against "Vietnamese aggression". In contrast, Vietnam's decreasing prestige in the region led it to be more dependent on the Soviet Union, to which it leased a naval base at Cam Ranh Bay.[32]

Border skirmishes continued throughout the 1980s, including a significant skirmish in April 1984.

Armed conflict only ended in 1989 after the Vietnamese agreed to fully withdraw from Cambodia.

This conflict also saw the first use of the Type 81 assault rifle by the Chinese and a naval battle over the Spratly Islands in 1988. In 1999 after many years of negotiations, China and Vietnam signed a border pact, though the line of demarcation remained secret.[33] There was a very slight adjustment of the land border, resulting in land being given up to China, which caused the widespread complaints within Vietnam.

casualties

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chinese casualties

To this day, both sides of the conflict describe themselves as the
victor. The number of casualties is disputed, with some Western sources
putting PLA casualties at more than 20,000 throughout the war. Chinese democracy activist Wei Jingsheng told
western media in 1980 the Chinese troops had suffered 9,000 deaths and more than 10,000 wounded during the war,[25] but a recent leak showed that the PLA had 6,954 killed and 14,800 wounded,[5] and 238 Prisoners of War[26] in the course of the war.



Vietnamese casualties

There are no independently verifiable details of Vietnamese
casualties; like their counterparts in the Chinese government, the
Vietnamese government has never announced any information on its actual
military casualties. The Nhan Dan newspaper[27]
the Central Organ of the Communist Party of Vietnam claimed that
Vietnam suffered more than 10,000 civilian deaths during the Chinese
invasion[27] and earlier on May 17, 1979, reported statistics on heavy losses of industry and agriculture properties.[27]

Vietnamese armed personnel:

Regular forces (from Chinese sources): 100,100 killed in total, Wounded: more than 10,000. 2210 Prisoners of War.[5][28] Province Militia and divisions of the Public Security Army: unknown, the causality estimated: 70,000[29]

On March 6, China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved. On the way back to the Chinese border, the PLA destroyed all local infrastructure and housing and looted all useful equipment and resources (including livestock), completely paralyzing the economy of northern Vietnam.[5] The PLA crossed the border back into China on March 16. While China claimed to have crushed the Vietnamese resistance, Vietnam claimed that China had mostly only fought against border militias. This allowed both sides to claim military victory, as both sides claimed to have taught their opponent a lesson.[24]