India belongs to Hindus first, over 50 countries for Muslims: Shiv Sena

[Areesh]

Khair... Indian Muslim bhi hota tou chawal hi maarta... mera sawal bhi bara hi chawal tha..

LOL

 

[Peshwa]

Because the world needs a boogeyman.

It was the Jews.
Christians.
Now muzzies.

How do you expect to drive the world's economy?

I’m not here to discuss conspiracy theories.
Islam is not the enemy. But some Muslims have used Islam and violence as a tool to achieve political gains. Those will be dealt with. There is no conspiracy against Muslims. It’s action and reaction.

Secondly we don't need to dig out any skeletons for you to play doctor with. Accept them as they are instead of trying to change them.

Well there is no acceptance if the moderate Muslims keep giving the extremist elements in your society a hall pass and expect others to “accept” and understand.
Changing perceptions is your job. Highlighting the good in Islam and Muslim is your job. So is cleansing Islam of the extremism! And everything else you see is reaction to the inability of the moderate Muslims to do the above.

 

[PakSword]

some Muslims have used Islam and violence as a tool to achieve political gains.

And those Muslims include the ones who are being slaughtered on the suspicion of cow slaughter?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Precisely the point. There are number of anti-halal, anti-kosher slaughter statutes coming out in specific regions and countries in the west:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-kosher-halal-meat-islam-jewish-a7723451.html

Walloon Belgium and also Denmark, Switzerland and New Zealand. Though of course its supply/local welfare based...people are free to import and consume their halal meat, its not consumption based ban (which would infringe on human rights legislatively at fundamental level).

Thus are these countries secular credentials to be questioned too?

those European countries should be condemned and are hypocrites.

 

[El Sidd]

I’m not here to discuss conspiracy theories.
Islam is not the enemy. But some Muslims have used Islam and violence as a tool to achieve political gains. Those will be dealt with. There is no conspiracy against Muslims. It’s action and reaction.




Well there is no acceptance if the moderate Muslims keep giving the extremist elements in your society a hall pass and expect others to “accept” and understand.
Changing perceptions is your job. Highlighting the good in Islam and Muslim is your job. So is cleansing Islam of the extremism! And everything else you see is reaction to the inability of the moderate Muslims to do the above.

Islam has no concept of central church. It's not an organized cult like others.

Islam doesn't have a extremism problem. Humans have.

Your definitions are your problems not mine.

 

[Peshwa]

Yaar bhai chup hoja

Tribal ties: Salarzai tribe forms lashkar to combat militants

https://tribune.com.pk/story/739598/tribal-ties-salarzai-tribe-forms-lashkar-to-combat-militants/

Pakistani tribes fight back against Taliban

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/sep/27/pakistan.terrorism

Protesters take to streets to denounce Taliban attack in Peshawar

https://www.dawn.com/news/1163388

Pakistani Scholars Issue Fatwa Against Suicide Attacks

https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistani-scholars-issue-fatwa-against-suicide-attacks/28512637.html

Fifty Muslim scholars issue fatwa against Taliban

https://www.dawn.com/news/755908

Pakistan Ulema Council issues fatwa against ISIS

http://nation.com.pk/11-May-2016/pakistan-ulema-council-issues-fatwa-against-isis

Good. I’m glad to be proven wrong for once.

Yet doesn’t change my stance on indian Muslims revolting against India or Hindus. As TTP does not represent all Pakistanis or Muslims, Perps of the Gujarati riot do not represent all Hindus but a fringe. Indian Muslims understand that.

 

[El Sidd]

Good. I’m glad to be proven wrong for once.

Yet doesn’t change my stance on indian Muslims revolting against India or Hindus. As TTP does not represent all Pakistanis or Muslims, Perps of the Gujarati riot do not represent all Hindus but a fringe. Indian Muslims understand that.

They are designed like every other Indian to worship the status quo.

 

[Peshwa]

Islam has no concept of central church. It's not an organized cult like others.

Islam doesn't have a extremism problem. Humans have.

Your definitions are your problems not mine.

I’ve already made this clear that the problem is not with Islam but it’s followers (the extremist ones to be precise)
So what are you telling me that I don’t already know or haven’t put down in writing? What definitions am misinterpreting?

 

[El Sidd]

I’ve already made this clear that the problem is not with Islam but it’s followers (the extremist ones to be precise)
So what are you telling me that I don’t already know or haven’t put down in writing? What definitions am misinterpreting?

The world is full of problems. You take on the most fashionable one.

Humans have been extremist throughout the history.

 

[Peshwa]

They are designed like every other Indian to worship the status quo.

Right! as opposed to going anarchial ape shit over some imaginary Jihad and a conspiracy theory about Hindus/India baying for Muslim blood?!

Again, why don’t you let the Indian Muslims decide whether they are being marginalized or erred against?
Pakistan ain’t no heaven for Muslims, so please spare the holier than thou attitude towards indian Muslims.

 

[Mugwop]

I bet there are some shiv sena members hiding in Muslim countries.
There was one in new jersey and his "pishi nikal ai thi" when I tried to confront him
Only in india they act brave that too in numbers

 

[El Sidd]

Right! as opposed to going anarchial ape shit over some imaginary Jihad and a conspiracy theory about Hindus/India baying for Muslim blood?!

Again, why don’t you let the Indian Muslims decide whether they are being marginalized or erred against?
Pakistan ain’t no heaven for Muslims, so please spare the holier than thou attitude towards indian Muslims.

Indian muzzies use islam as a tool that's why I dislike their example. Kaato maro jalao sir mere naak se makkhi nahi urrni.

But Pakistanis have the courage to go against the system while Indians cannot.

 

[Peshwa]

The world is full of problems. You take on the most fashionable one.

Humans have been extremist throughout the history.

Mayhem and murder is not fashionable, it’s a matter of concern. If not addressed and allowed unabated exacerbates the situation.

History takes a broad stroke on violence and extremism. But we live in today’s world, and that line has been drawn. We have to live now, based on the rules of today, not the past!

 

[El Sidd]

Mayhem and murder is not fashionable, it’s a matter of concern. If not addressed and allowed unabated exacerbates the situation.

History takes a broad stroke on violence and extremism. But we live in today’s world, and that line has been drawn. We have to live now, based on the rules of today, not the past!

The rules never change throughout the history.

Color segregation was less than fifty years ago.

You are just following a slogan meant to drive a particular mob.

 

[Peshwa]

Indian muzzies use islam as a tool that's why I dislike their example. Kaato maro jalao sir mere naak se makkhi nahi urrni.

But Pakistanis have the courage to go against the system while Indians cannot.

How have Indian Muslims used Islam? I’m quite interested to hear about this.

Against the system how? Are you referring to the creation of Pakistan?