India becomes part of regional trading bloc despite Chinese opposition

[East Asia United]

good suggestion. As far as I know, China has adopted some Singapore system in 1990s, but I cannot remember what it is...
As for Chinese central government and top leaders, they prefer establishing experimental reform areas with diffenrent themes. These reform areas are designated diffenrent task and policy advantage. They are encouraged to conduct reform in specific areas.
For example:
Financial experimental reform area in Wenzhou where private borrowing sector is vibrant.
International trade comprehensive reform areas in Yiwu.
Economical natrual resources development experimental area in Shanxi where coal resources are threat to environment.
National new industrialization experimental area in Shenyang where industry is firstly developed in China.
Central economic area where agricultural industry is of high importance to the food supply of China.

There are 20+ these experimental areas in China now.

Chinese politicians are trying to reform in essential areas but they do not want to carry out and apply the same policy to the whole country where different development situation exists.
But I think the progress is too slow, they should be more confident and aggressive.

I think there is a large problem with China today.

Chinese see the CPC as the party that brought them so much wealth in such a short time. They look at the other 3rd world countries in the world, and they can do nothing but memorize at the amazing growth rates that the Communist Party has given to the country. 10% GDP growth per annum, for 35 years running? Impossible! And yet it was done. Surely this shows the superiority of Marxist-Leninism, or at least the political system within China and the individuals running it?

One problem: That problem is what Chinese initially did: Compared themselves to other 3rd world peoples' that China (or any East Asian country) have virtually nothing in common with, and from this they assessed that because these other developing countries are not catching-up anywhere as fast as China, the Chinese politicians must be doing something right.

They forget that China is growing because of the individual Chinese innate intelligence, and that China, whether she be run by the CPC, or the Singaporean model, or by liberal democracy, or by state capitalism, or any other form of political/economic system, will rapidly catch up (provided there aren't any Stalin's, Hitler's, or Mao's along the way).

This is the problem with China. China should recognize that the CPC has little to do with China's amazing success. China's amazing success comes from their high average intelligence as East Asian peoples', and therefore the political system should only serve the people in a way that maximizes what they already have (instead of banning, repressing, restricting, etc).

In reality, political/economic systems like China's are a HINDRANCE to economic development, not a benefit (look at all the examples around the world). So it's all the more impressive that China (the only country with a heavy authoritarian streak in the fastest growing nations) is developing as fast as it is.

While India, on the opposite spectrum, has ALL the key political motivators for growth, ALL the key Western political institutions (heck, even built by Westerners) that the West has used for their powerful and prosperous economies, yet they are one of the poorest countries on Earth, with consistently lower growth rates than China.

In effect, India has the institutions that cultivate growth, China does not, and yet China continues to outperform India in every metric. Can you imagine if the two were switched for just a second? India would become a 4th world dump worthy of only sub-Saharan Africa, while Chinese people would choose how fast (and how high) to soar.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

I think there is a large problem with China today.

Chinese see the CPC as the party that brought them so much wealth in such a short time. They look at the other 3rd world countries in the world, and they can do nothing but memorize at the amazing growth rates that the Communist Party has given to the country. 10% GDP growth per annum, for 35 years running? Impossible! And yet it was done. Surely this shows the superiority of Marxist-Leninism, or at least the political system within China and the individuals running it?

One problem: That problem is what Chinese initially did: Compared themselves to other 3rd world peoples' that China (or any East Asian country) have virtually nothing in common with, and from this they assessed that because these other developing countries are not catching-up anywhere as fast as China, the Chinese politicians must be doing something right.

They forget that China is growing because of the individual Chinese innate intelligence, and that China, whether she be run by the CPC, or the Singaporean model, or by liberal democracy, or by state capitalism, or any other form of political/economic system, will rapidly catch up (provided there aren't any Stalin's, Hitler's, or Mao's along the way).

This is the problem with China. China should recognize that the CPC has little to do with China's amazing success. China's amazing success comes from their high average intelligence as East Asian peoples', and therefore the political system should only serve the people in a way that maximizes what they already have (instead of banning, repressing, restricting, etc).

In reality, political/economic systems like China's are a HINDRANCE to economic development, not a benefit (look at all the examples around the world). So it's all the more impressive that China (the only country with a heavy authoritarian streak in the fastest growing nations) is developing as fast as it is.

While India, on the opposite spectrum, has ALL the key political motivators for growth, ALL the key Western political institutions (heck, even built by Westerners) that the West has used for their powerful and prosperous economies, yet they are one of the poorest countries on Earth, with consistently lower growth rates than China.

In effect, India has the institutions that cultivate growth, China does not, and yet China continues to outperform India in every metric. Can you imagine if the two were switched for just a second? India would become a 4th world dump worthy of only sub-Saharan Africa, while Chinese people would choose how fast (and how high) to soar.

Correct. While in college in China, my microeconomics professor told us that you should distinguish our country or government from CPC. CPC's media claim that Chinese people are achieving more progress and becoming more wealth under the lead of CPC. To some extent, it seems right. But, as you said, whatever political system we choose, we will rapidly catch up and become developed.

Actually, although China's GDP is booming to the second place, but the wealth created is took away by government(i.e huge amounts of fiscal revenue). Ordinary chinese people are very hardworking and intelligent as S.koreas, it is because of them that we achieve more and more progress.

I am shocked that every year ￥800 billion are used by CPC to “maintain stability of the nation”(control citizen's mind) rather than improve education and cover more medical insurance. It is unbelievable such huge funds are wasted!! ￥800 billions can definitely esatablish a system of national healthcare sysem that cover's 1.3 trillion people!! I feel sad that the they use the wealth we created to turn against us.

Another problem is that this kind of political system is an inheritance of Ming and Qing Dynasty that have changed little during the hundreds of years. To completely change it seems impossible, there will be great resistance. So I suggest that Chinese politicians protect law's dignity, refer to most advanced regime and regulations of company, social department, and education. Only a consolidated social regime will help to keep everything on track and nobody's benefit will hurt by power. What we should learn from Korea or Japan is the relative justice that exists in every corner of society.

It seems a tradition that east asian countries not concentrated on individual property and consciousness. They emphasize national interest. This might be correct in ancient times while in nowadays a highly devoleped market-oriented economy requires respect of individual property. I am half of fan of Friedrich August von Hayek, a Britain economist who stressed that where there is no right of property, there is no justice. I really hope that our politician can really realize that fact that it's 1.3 billions of people that who serve you, accumulate wealth for the nation. They should protect every single Chinese property right and improve our living standard.

In last century when we were nothing but the poorest country, this kind of political system could effectively help conduct industrial projects, public infrastructure and public education. But now, things changed, government should release more demographic dividend to every Chinese(i.e Macao distributes cash dividend to every citizen ), and encourage them to consume. That's the point we will rely on to sustain a higher growth rate in the near future. Higher proporation of investment cannot drive GDP to grow forever because it has little interest return, consumption of every single chinese will boost our economy in the long term. Individual's wealth represent real prosperous. The consumption of Chinese tourist ranks no.1 across the world which represent the consume ability of Chinese, yet they are only a small proportion of the whole population. It seems we have more potential to sustain a higher growth rate on the condition that government guarantee housing and medicalcare and thus encourge her people to consume, to elevate living standard.

Current PM Li Keqiang promise to cut 1,700 examination and approval righs that held by administration. This is a great move to political reform, at least I hope it is.

 

[East Asia United]

I am shocked that every year ￥800 billion are used by CPC to “maintain stability of the nation”(control citizen's mind) rather than improve education and cover more medical insurance. It is unbelievable such huge funds are wasted!! ￥800 billions can definitely esatablish a system of national healthcare sysem that cover's 1.3 trillion people!! I feel sad that the they use the wealth we created to turn against us.

Yes, this is one of the inherent weakness of little transparency.

To completely change it seems impossible, there will be great resistance. So I suggest that Chinese politicians protect law's dignity, refer to most advanced regime and regulations of company, social department, and education.

It doesn't need a complete change. There are some aspects of it that are even superior to the West. The Marxist-Leninsit doctrine is the worst part in my opinion. Also, the best way to look at it is:

Keep what works, throw away what doesn't.

Simple as that. If it's an old cultural remnant, but doesn't provide positive value, it belongs in the cultural and national past.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

Yes, this is one of the inherent weakness of little transparency.



It doesn't need a complete change. There are some aspects of it that are even superior to the West. The Marxist-Leninsit doctrine is the worst part in my opinion. Also, the best way to look at it is:

Keep what works, throw away what doesn't.

Simple as that. If it's an old cultural remnant, but doesn't provide positive value, it belongs in the cultural and national past.

Marxist-Leninsit doctrine is such a kind of political ideality that has never been tested successful in the world. It is just a thought, a concept or better to say a theory that should only be restricted to academic discussion for now. It should not be used in pratical ways. In china, it is nothing but a mask of administration's failure.

Chinese has glorious story and achievement during 3 thousand years while none of these is related to the Marxist-Leninsit. Without it, everthing is still on track. I am just wondering what makes it so popular since it contributes nothing?!