India -Bangladesh defense pact – Honey mixed with poison for a friend

[Nilgiri]

This Idiot always ignores that BD workforce in future will be worse than India's current workforce

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whats-holding-back-bangladesh.474841/#post-9149084

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR201...lobalCompetitivenessReport2016-2017_FINAL.pdf

Education and Skills:

BD: 2.33 (rank 125)
IND: 3.25 (96)
CHN: 3.97 (74)
PAK: 2.27 (128)
TUR: 3.95 (76)
USA: 5.82 (12)

Skills of Current Workforce:

BD: 2.18 (rank 130)
IND: 2.82 (104)
CHN: 3.56 (85)
PAK: 2.37 (118)
TUR: 3.36 (92)
USA: 6.05 (5)

Skills of Future Workforce:

BD: 2.47 (rank 122) (Increase of 0.29)
IND: 3.67 (88) (Increase of 0.85)
CHN: 4.39 (58) (Increase of 0.83)
PAK: 2.17 (128) (Decrease of 0.2)
TUR: 4.53 (50) ( Increase of 1.17)
USA: 5.58 (18) (Decrease of 0.47)

Basically BD is utterly terrible at anything past stitching clothes.

Just search the term "Walton" in this forum, note the dates of the articles for its projections, esp those posted by this very idiot above me....and check if any reality has manifested today according to those projections.

Then this idiot talks about "Logistics".

Tell me where does India and BD rank in the logistics index (even without the upcoming GST and massive DFC and massive port expansion)?

http://lpi.worldbank.org/international/global

The desperation of the butthurt BD dreamers here is plainly evident:

Wait for another 5 years,BD will suppress India in every economic indicator.

I guess the status of them being a LEAST DEVELOPED COUNTRY (and that being the reason they get access to preferential tarrif rates in developed markets....and THAT being the main reason for their RMG scale....not any inherent BD economic miracle) really gets to them in a big way.

Seriously an economy that consumes what is it....25,000 cars a year and pitiful amounts of cement, electricity, steel, energy etc etc comparing itself to India lol.

I'm seriously glad India improved by 15 points in the recent HDI compared to just 9 for BD with us already being ahead by a fair amount. Its time to leave them in the dust completely.

Tired of their wailing and whining....no wonder Pakistan is as well over 1971.

 

[Nilgiri]

Exactly. When RAW will withdraw from BD, It will be an another syria. Only India has the capability to save BD from being another ISIS hub. However, they do not seem to have realized this and they (PDF Members) always talk loud mouth. They do not have any sense of thankfulness for what India did for them.

Their delusion is a great thing for us (allows us to proceed with the job at hand)...so it doesn't really matter. It also makes reality check all the more severe if lessons actually need to be demonstrated physically. The more severe, the more the lesson stays ingrained...its just the pain of administering it that keeps India from doing so. Right now its just not the right time yet (things are pretty smooth overall)....it may be time later. Lets wait and see.

 

[MULUBJA]

You are overlooking the fact that sacrifice in 1971 by Indian Armed Forces was actually made out of India's strategic needs rather than the benevolence of Indian govt. or Indira Gandhi herself.

As a bonus of the 1971 Bangladesh struggle for independence - India got rid of 'dual-ended' strategic threat (Pakistan on both ends of India) as a result of a long-planned strategy and can concentrate now on a one-sector war instead of a two-sector war.

Many Bangladeshi freedom-fighters also died (probably a lot more than 4000 and they were sometimes without proper arms even).

In the last four decades there was much more 'Faida' for India as Bangladesh was an uncontested one-way market for Indian goods (trade surplus for India to the tune of seven to ten Billion dollars officially per year for 40 years, probably a lot more) and it paid off very richly and handsomely for Indian economy. India cannot say the same for trade with Pakistan or any other neighbor.

Please calculate that ($400 Billion in all these years) once anyone starts talking about Indian sacrifice for Bangladesh. No one is denying Indian sacrifice, but India benefited as well far beyond its planners ever dreamed.

So India did not give Bangladesh any handouts. In fact IMHO I'd say the reverse could be true.

But a section of the Indian political commentators seem to repeatedly regurgitate these myths and 'alternative facts' about selfless sacrifice.

Now If i apply your argument that BD is not doing any favor of India but they bought Indin goods because it was cheaper than what BD can get it from anywhere, you would not like it.
We not only sacrifice our soldiers but taxed our citizens form helping Muktivahini people to settle. Had you a China like neighbor, you could have a better Idea what India is. In-spite of being so powerful, we have not taken any undue advantage of BD but has always helped BD. 20 million of your citizens have illegally intruded in our country but we have not at all acted harshly against them or operassed them and they are much safer than the Hindus of BD.

I wonder, why this large India even needs a defense treaty with a tiny BD? Can not India survive alone? India is a shame on Earth

looking to your history and what we did for you and what you are responding here, I believe that India is a shame on earth. Why did we sacrificed our soldiers to save you guys?

 

[Banglar Bir]

I am not going to take your bait to engage in off-topic discussions on political opinions presented here.

However I do take issue on you calling Bangladeshis non-productive, when the opposite has been proven by every UN agency and reputable third party research study (McKinsey et al) ever undertaken here. In fact - I'd say India itself has several in-built factors that are hindrances to improving its productivity compared to Bangladesh' level, such as,

1. Sheer size - in comparable industries (such as say garments), Bangladesh boasts 5x to 10x larger facilities, both in terms of industry size and individual plant size. Better Scalability improves productivity. Indian garments factories in the unorganized public sector are too small to to be efficient.

2. Staff cost- Our labor costs are half of India's and as strange as it may sound, our plants are also run in a very supervised efficient manner with recent technology investments and minimal redundant staff. This is a double whammy whereby our staff costs are minimal. By contrast Indian PSU's and even private sector units are notoriously over-staffed and influenced by labor-union activity.

3. Logistics - Turnaround time at Indian ports, inter-state transports etc. is notoriously slow compared to international standards. Add to it the corruption (Palms need to be greased) and old antiquated equipment break-downs, all contribute to added costs. States block carriage of goods through them and it takes seven days for goods to reach from Delhi to Vizag. Often you can get shipments faster from say Singapore at Vizag than from Delhi. There is no riverine or intra-coastal waterways to cheaply carry containers back and forth and whatever exists is inefficient.

All this being said - I realize I could be wrong about the productivity. So - if you want to refute what I have said above, please open a separate thread on it - to show the excellence of India in these sectors.

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[Indika]

I am not going to take your bait to engage in off-topic discussions on political opinions presented here.

However I do take issue on you calling Bangladeshis non-productive, when the opposite has been proven by every UN agency and reputable third party research study (McKinsey et al) ever undertaken here. In fact - I'd say India itself has several in-built factors that are hindrances to improving its productivity compared to Bangladesh' level, such as,

1. Sheer size - in comparable industries (such as say garments), Bangladesh boasts 5x to 10x larger facilities, both in terms of industry size and individual plant size. Better Scalability improves productivity. Indian garments factories in the unorganized public sector are too small to to be efficient.

2. Staff cost- Our labor costs are half of India's and as strange as it may sound, our plants are also run in a very supervised efficient manner with recent technology investments and minimal redundant staff. This is a double whammy whereby our staff costs are minimal. By contrast Indian PSU's and even private sector units are notoriously over-staffed and influenced by labor-union activity.

3. Logistics - Turnaround time at Indian ports, inter-state transports etc. is notoriously slow compared to international standards. Add to it the corruption (Palms need to be greased) and old antiquated equipment break-downs, all contribute to added costs. States block carriage of goods through them and it takes seven days for goods to reach from Delhi to Vizag. Often you can get shipments faster from say Singapore at Vizag than from Delhi. There is no riverine or intra-coastal waterways to cheaply carry containers back and forth and whatever exists is inefficient.

All this being said - I realize I could be wrong about the productivity. So - if you want to refute what I have said above, please open a separate thread on it - to show the excellence of India in these sectors.

This was started by you not by us. I dont have a problem if you call your country great but if you indulge in mud slinging others then expect ppl to contest your claim.

As far as your productivity claim are concerned BD's per capita is still lower than a country which is 5 times its size.