India averse to inking military pacts with U.S.

[Nirvana]

India averse to inking military pacts with U.S.

As the dust over rejection of two U.S. companies from the Rs. 11,000-crore Indian Air Force tender for fighter aircraft settles, official sources said the United States would also have to reconcile with India's unwillingness to sign three military pacts.

The U.S. was extremely upset after Boeing and Lockheed Martin were knocked out of the race for the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

The issue figured in the May 9 conversation between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and U.S. President Barack Obama after the U.S. Embassy contended that the evaluation was not transparent.

The final report listed some qualitative requirements not met by the U.S. companies. But Washington claimed that these deficiencies were not mentioned in the initial report.

However, India has been unwavering in backing the evaluation of some 600 qualitative requirements of the six fighters in contention.

While the U.S. was denied a strategic foothold in the IAF's offensive capabilities segment, it could face continued stonewalling with respect to three military pacts — Logistics Sharing Agreement (LSA), Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-spatial Cooperation (BECA).

The Indian attitude a month ahead of the strategic dialogue between External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is to keep the issue away from the main agenda.

No hidden objective

The U.S. argues that there is no hidden aim behind the LSA. It is an inter-bank type of clearing arrangement — there will be periodical settlement of accounts for the use of each other's facilities.

For instance, Indian naval ships have had 45 refuellings from the U.S. ships in the Gulf of Aden. Under the LSA, payments need not be made each time. The expenses could be adjusted against the money owed to India if U.S. ships came calling here.

But the Indian leadership feels that the LSA will give the impression of a strategic agreement with the Pentagon in military operations.

After the Defence-Secretary level Defence Policy Group (DPG) meeting in Washington earlier this year, both sides agreed to work towards a more “mature arrangement.'' But there was no “question of a blanket agreement,'' said the official sources.

India confronts a technical issue in signing the CISMOA, though officials feel it sounds heavier than it is. They also feel that interoperability, as argued by the U.S., need not be dependent on signing the CISMOA.

The communication will be encrypted and no other algorithm can be used on the system. During joint exercises, U.S. personnel sit on Indian ships with their own equipment.

But on aircraft there is no space for two or three different kinds of equipment.

The Navy and the Air Force have said they had no problems either way but politically this remains a sensitive issue though officials say it is not as heavy as it sounds.

India also has reservations on the third military agreement sought by the U.S. — BECA. The U.S. says the pact will enable C-130 and C-17 planes to fly close to the ground.

This entails installation of ground sensors, which none in the security establishment, except the Defence Research & Development Organisation is keen on.

The Hindu : News / National : India averse to inking military pacts with U.S.

 

[lem34]

I think India is wise and prudent not to get close to the americans. look at us supposedly freinds of America. However I do think India should make more efforts to sort out its borders with all neighbouring countries. This would help boost the entire area and send the american empire to the historical dustpin.

 

[naveenp]

No F-35 for M-MRCA deal.

 

[MrIndianSikh]

India go to Israel France and Russia if those 3 don't have what you like or want then go to USA for defense needs either way some corrupt bureaucrat will get his kick backs and the military gets its weaponry

 

[Nirvana]

I think India is wise and prudent not to get close to the americans. look at us supposedly freinds of America. However I do think India should make more efforts to sort out its borders with all neighbouring countries. This would help boost the entire area and send the american empire to the historical dustpin.

Well Boy , Now You are Talking sense

 

[prabhu]

the US should understand that jus beating around the bush wont help,sell us the equipment with no strings attatched and we'll make u an offer u cant refuse

 

[JayAtl]

First this title is bit fluffed up because arms buys reflect no such aversion. Rather politically they are wary as this article clearly spells out. What this reads as there are more of political objections vs security related on the 3 TOS requested.

This is an eye opener article spelling out clearly and once in for all that security is not a concern for Indian's military heads- Unfortunately not many have taken the time to read it so far

India averse to inking military pacts with U.S.



The Hindu : News / National : India averse to inking military pacts with U.S.

For instance, Indian naval ships have had 45 refuellings from the U.S. ships in the Gulf of Aden. Under the LSA, payments need not be made each time. The expenses could be adjusted against the money owed to India if U.S. ships came calling here.

But the Indian leadership feels that the LSA will give the impression of a strategic agreement with the Pentagon in military operations

This clearly shows NO SECURITY CONCERNS rather political perception

India confronts a technical issue in signing the CISMOA, though officials feel it sounds heavier than it is. They also feel that interoperability, as argued by the U.S., need not be dependent on signing the CISMOA.

The communication will be encrypted and no other algorithm can be used on the system. During joint exercises, U.S. personnel sit on Indian ships with their own equipment.

But on aircraft there is no space for two or three different kinds of equipment.

The Navy and the Air Force have said they had no problems either way but politically this remains a sensitive issue though officials say it is not as heavy as it sounds.

Again NO SECRUITY CONCERNS but political as highlighted

India also has reservations on the third military agreement sought by the U.S. — BECA. The U.S. says the pact will enable C-130 and C-17 planes to fly close to the ground.

This entails installation of ground sensors, which none in the security establishment, except the Defence Research & Development Organisation is keen on.

Again NO SECURITY CONCERNS

 

[Abhishek_]

^is that all that is contained in those 300 page agreement documents?
may be the remaining 299 pages are chole kulcha menu items

 

[JayAtl]

^is that all that is contained in those 300 page agreement documents?
may be the remaining 299 pages are chole kulcha menu items

you will have to ask the author of the article , he/she seems to have asked for the crux of the objections and got it from both parties. if not the entire article is an obfuscation.

 

[Kinetic]

India confronts a technical issue in signing the CISMOA, though officials feel it sounds heavier than it is. They also feel that interoperability, as argued by the U.S., need not be dependent on signing the CISMOA.

This tell us everything behind the CISMOA and why GoI not ready t sign it when it will give access to many technologies as well as 'interoperability' with US forces.

No hidden objective

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[lynx]

Say not to AID, pay cash and don't join any alliances & nobody will dictate you terms and conditions.

 

[misterme2]

I think India is wise and prudent not to get close to the americans. look at us supposedly freinds of America. However I do think India should make more efforts to sort out its borders with all neighbouring countries. This would help boost the entire area and send the american empire to the historical dustpin.

YOu guys were supporting terrorism and stabbing them in the back! Look at Turkey, Singapore, Thailand, etc

 

[misterme2]

This tell us everything behind the CISMOA and why GoI not ready t sign it when it will give access to many technologies as well as 'interoperability' with US forces.


Thanks but no thanks.

Complete lack of vision....in any future war India will have to choose sides.....our stragetic vision is too narrow. They don;t take into account outside factors.

 

[lem34]

YOu guys were supporting terrorism and stabbing them in the back! Look at Turkey, Singapore, Thailand, etc

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It is correct that we have problems and we that is india and pakistan need to sort out our problems. My biz partner is a hindu, my best freind at uni was a hindu punjabi. had it not been a FCUK ups by the UK at partition we may not have been in this predicament in kashmir. In fact everywhere you white anglo protestant english speakers have been is FCUK up like palastine etc. our leaders got taken in by your countries once hopefully not again. We dont need you to come back as pretend freinds when you scared of the Chinese and want to use our countries for your ulterior motives which do not benefit our people and allow you to chill out in your ivory towers.

 

[JayAtl]

Complete lack of vision....in any future war India will have to choose sides.....our stragetic vision is too narrow. They don;t take into account outside factors.

bud- kinetic is on some war path of assumptions. just few sentencs down its says "The Navy and the Air Force have said they had no problems either way but politically this remains a sensitive issue though officials say it is not as heavy as it sounds"

that underlined part is the same heavy assumptions he made...