India and Russia going to sign biggest ever defence deal worth $ 35 billion today

[Kinetic]

In 2020 the first batch of FGFA will be inducted but I think before that IAF will add 50 PAK FA.




Fifth-gen jets in IAF arsenal in a decade



NEW DELHI: It will take a decade for India to begin inducting the first lot of the 250-300 advanced stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) it is going to jointly develop and manufacture with Russia.

As per the detailed roadmap finalised between India and Russia, the "series production" of FGFA will be launched in 2019, with the actual deliveries to begin in 2020, sources said.

The stage for the entire FGFA programme, which will see India spending upwards of $35 billion over the next two decades in its biggest-ever defence project, will finally be set this week.

With Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in town, New Delhi and Moscow will ink the $295 million preliminary design contract (PDC) for FGFA on Tuesday. Then, over the next 18 months, the two sides will work out the detailed design and other agreements to kickstart the actual building of FGFA.

"Forty Indian designers and scientists will be stationed in Russia, with a similar number of Russians here. A secure data link will also be set up to ensure both sides are fully in the picture all the time," said a source.

The total cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development, flight testing and the like has been pegged at around $11 billion, with both sides chipping in with $5.50 billion each in the "50-50% partnership".

India, for instance, will spend $2.50 billion of its $5.50 billion share in setting up infrastructure for manufacturing plants, tooling facilities and hangars.

Each "swing role" FGFA, with a deadly mix of super-manoeuvrability and supersonic cruising ability, long-range strike and high-endurance air defence capabilities, will cost an additional $100 million or so.

Cash-strapped Russia is already flying the prototype of its single-seater FGFA called Sukhoi T-50. While the Indian FGFA will basically be based on this fighter, it will "be tweaked to meet IAF requirements".

For one, IAF wants a twin-seater FGFA, with one pilot actually flying the jet and the other handling sensors and weapon systems. Russia, however, feels adding a second cockpit will "adversely impact" the stealth.

For another, IAF is keen on a new engine with "a greater thrust" than the one Russia is currently using for its FGFA. "All these things will take time and money... Six to seven prototypes should be flying by 2017. It will take about 2,500 hours of flying to get the final flight certification," he said.

With IPR (intellectual property rights) being "equally and jointly vested", India and Russia may also decide to sell the FGFA to "third countries" by mutual consent.

Till FGFA becomes a reality, India's combat fleet will mainly revolve around the 270 Sukhoi-30MKIs contracted from Russia for around $12 billion, the 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft to be acquired in the $10.4 billion project and 120 indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, apart from upgraded MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s.




Fifth-gen jets in IAF arsenal in a decade - The Times of India

 

[VelocuR]

Cash-strapped Russia is using India for more money.

Designing,
Infrastructure build-up,
prototype development,
flight testing and vice versa

 

[Kinetic]

India to ink fighter jet design deal with Russia



Besides military pacts, the countries will be looking at boosting trade, which hasn’t kept
Aman Malik



India and Russia are set to sign a design agreement for the so-called fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) during President Dmitry Medvedev’s visit to India this week, Russian ambassador to India Alexander Kadakin said.

“Our plane (developed for the Russian military) is already flying in the Far East,” Kadakin said, ahead of Medvedev’s 21-22 December visit that marks a decade of the formal “strategic” partnership between the two countries. Around 15 or 16 agreements could be signed on Tuesday.

Other likely pacts include a general framework agreement for setting up two more nuclear reactors at Kudankulam in Tamil Nadu, and another to ease visa rules for businessmen travelling between India and Russia.

FGFA is designed to incorporate many technological advances over fourth-generation jet fighters, including all aspects of stealth, internally carried air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons, advanced avionics and integrated computer systems.

India and Russia announced in October that they had almost finalized the design agreement and series production of the FGFA could begin by 2020, with India likely to procure 250-300 aircraft for an estimated $250-300 billion.

In September, the two signed a $600 million joint venture agreement for the development and production of the military transport aircraft (MTA), of which India is likely to procure 45 units, Mint reported on 10 September.

On 16 December, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported that Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation and arms exporter Rosoboronexport had registered the joint venture MTA Limited. “The joint venture was registered in the beginning of December in Bangalore,” Ashok Nayak, chairman of HAL, told RIA Novosti. “Work on the preliminary design will start in January 2011.”

Rosoboronexport is also in the running for the $11 billion tender to procure six submarines under the Project 75 (India) programme. In November, the company said it had offered its Amur-1650 submarine to India.

“The Amur-class submarines are an improvement over the Kilo class, and so the Russians have a strong bid. But India must decide if it wants to depend primarily on Russia or diversify its inventory,” said brigadier (retd) Rumel Dhaiya of New Delhi’s Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses.

The Russian defence exporter is also expected to begin supplying the first batch of 80 Mi-17V-5 transport helicopters in March 2011. India is acquiring the helicopters at an estimated cost of $1.3 billion.

In June, India’s cabinet committee on security cleared the purchase of 42 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft for Rs.15,000 crore. With this order, India will have 272 such aircraft.

Russia’s RSK MiG is also vying for the $10 billion contract for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA).

Several other military purchases from Russia, including the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov and the 10-year lease of the nuclear-powered submarine K-152 Nerpa, have been dogged by delays and cost over-runs. While Admiral Gorshkov will cost India $2.33 billion and is scheduled for delivery only by the end of 2012, India has already paid $900 million for the Nerpa, but is unlikely to get the delivery of Akula-II class submarine before April-June, analysts said.


“There will be some other military deals but those will be done behind curtains because of the sensitivity involved,” said Kadakin.

India and Russia will also be looking at how to boost bilateral trade, which stands at about $10 billion. Kadakin said the target would be $20 billion by 2015. A group of key Russian business leaders are arriving in New Delhi to meet Indian counterparts to find ways to expand their trade list that has traditionally comprised fertilisers, iron and steel, non-ferrous metals and petroleum products, he said.

“Efforts are on to forge business-to-business tie-ups between business groups,” Indian foreign ministry spokesperson Vishnu Prakash said.

The India-Russia CEOs’ Forum, set up a few years ago, will present its recommendations to improve trade to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Medvedev on Tuesday. The Indian side is headed by Mukesh Ambani of Reliance Industries Ltd, while the Russian side is headed by AFK Sistema’s Vladimir Yevtushenko.

New Delhi is also keen to bid for Russian oil and gas blocks. Kadakin said Singh and Medvedev would discuss India’s prospects of bidding for blocks in the Sakhalin 3 project in Russia. The two leaders are also expected to discuss the war in Afghanistan, terrorism, Pakistan and other issues.

India to ink fighter jet design deal with Russia - Home - livemint.com

 

[Kinetic]

Cash-strapped Russia is using India for more money.

Designing,
Infrastructure build-up,
prototype development,
flight testing and vice versa

carry on day dreaming.... if it is too difficult to read than why need to write?

With Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in town, New Delhi and Moscow will ink the $295 million preliminary design contract (PDC) for FGFA on Tuesday. Then, over the next 18 months, the two sides will work out the detailed design and other agreements to kickstart the actual building of FGFA.

"Forty Indian designers and scientists will be stationed in Russia, with a similar number of Russians here. A secure data link will also be set up to ensure both sides are fully in the picture all the time," said a source.

The total cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development, flight testing and the like has been pegged at around $11 billion, with both sides chipping in with $5.50 billion each in the "50-50% partnership".

India, for instance, will spend $2.50 billion of its $5.50 billion share in setting up infrastructure for manufacturing plants, tooling facilities and hangars.

With IPR (intellectual property rights) being "equally and jointly vested", India and Russia may also decide to sell the FGFA to "third countries" by mutual consent.

 

[GLOBAL HAWK]

WTF !! 35 billion

 

[Kinetic]

WTF !! 35 billion

$ 30 billion for building 300 FGFA and $ 5 billion for design, development and setting up manufacturing bases.

 

[arihant]

WTF !! 35 billion

brother 100 Million per piece price. So around 30 Billion and 5 Billion is development cost (infrastructure, prototype, etc.)

 

[sanibhagwan]

Cash-strapped Russia is using India for more money.

Designing,
Infrastructure build-up,
prototype development,
flight testing and vice versa

Cash-strapped

I know another country which is cash-strapped in south asia, Needless to name it.

 

[Yeti]

I just can't wait to see the 2nd prototype flight!!

 

[shuntmaster]

Cash-strapped Russia is using India for more money.

Designing,
Infrastructure build-up,
prototype development,
flight testing and vice versa

Russia's forex reserves stands at ~$500billion. I don't think thats called cash strapped country.

 

[Stumper]

We should be ASKING our government to instead invest this amount on Infrastructure. Thats what we NEED.

 

[K^se]

You need about another $300 billion and another 2,100 5th Generation fighters to come on par with us. What I meant by that our government is procuring 2,443 F-35 Lightning costing about 323 billion U.S dollars to equip our three armed forces ARMY,NAVY and Airforce with different variants of the F-35, because were phasing out the F-16's in a decade.. You guys, should have wisely used that amount money on leveling chronic poverty in your country as well as infrastructure projects.. But it's all good keep buying your toys.

 

[Yeti]

We should be ASKING our government to instead invest this amount on Infrastructure. Thats what we NEED.

We need this baby too as it will replace both the Mig and Sukhoi fighters in our arsenal for the future but not to neglet our infrastructure also which needs at least $1 trillion by 2015 both must go hand in hand to make us a big power.

 

[TenjikuKensei]

You need about another $300 billion and another 2,100 5th Generation fighters to come on par with us. What I meant by that our government is procuring 2,443 F-35 Lightning costing about 323 billion U.S dollars to equip our three armed forces ARMY,NAVY and Airforce with different variants of the F-35, because were phasing out the F-16's in a decade.. You guys, should have wisely used that amount money on leveling chronic poverty in your country as well as infrastructure projects.. But it's all good keep buying your toys.

Which alternate universe do you live in? pray tell.

 

[Yeti]

You need about another $300 billion and another 2,100 5th Generation fighters to come on par with us. What I meant by that our government is procuring 2,443 F-35 Lightning costing about 323 billion U.S dollars to equip our three armed forces ARMY,NAVY and Airforce with different variants of the F-35, because were phasing out the F-16's in a decade.. You guys, should have wisely used that amount money on leveling chronic poverty in your country as well as infrastructure projects.. But it's all good keep buying your toys.

Think you should concern yourself with the chronic poverty in not to mention providing jobs to the masses of unemployed and let us worry about our defence needs we don't need a failed overweight over budget flop like F-35.