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China accepts that India already made its geopolitical choice to become the US' proxy in "containing" the People's Republic, but it would prefer for their seemingly inevitable "decoupling" to be as manageable as possible, hence why it's helping its rival "save face" by mutually disengaging for now.

China and India decided to pull back their forces 1,5 kilometers from the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on Monday following last month's lethal non-armed clash in the Galwan Valley. This move is being misportrayed by some Indian media as a "Chinese retreat" when in reality it's anything but since both countries are simultaneously disengaging their forces instead of this just being a unilateral Chinese move like they're inaccurately making it seem. That narrative observation is the first lesson to be learned from this development.

The Indian population has been indoctrinated with jingoistic propaganda (yes, literal propaganda as in fake news and deliberately misleading "reports" for "perception management" purposes) since Modi's election in 2014. The domestic perception situation has gotten so out of control since then that the Indian government can't possibly acknowledge actual facts anymore lest they provoke the population into rioting for hyper-nationalist reasons. This explains why the mutual disengagement is being misportrayed as a unilateral one.

China established firm control over the disputed Galwan Valley after last month's incident, but pulling back for the sake of de-escalation following India's decision to do the same was meant to cushion the domestic "soft power" blow to Modi's BJP.

The Chinese have millennia of diplomatic experience and appear to believe that this was a necessary move in order to slow the pace of India's pro-American pivot since it seems almost impossible to reverse. There's little doubt that India will continue to make piecemeal progress on its grand strategic goal of economically "decoupling" from China, but even its most hyper-nationalist strategists know that this can't be accomplished right away like the jingoistic mobs falsely expected. It therefore makes sense for this to be a gradual process.

http://oneworld.press/?module=artic...fYhs1ry9Fwe7ve-WRn0nlKSE1C325H7Fa2CMpNsV2Gsgw
 
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Think of it from its perspective. It has border disputes with China, Pakistan and Nepal. Its relationship with China has turned sour in recent months, but its military is outgunned. Its economy is shrinking due to COVID-19 and badly needs injection of foreign investment.

If you were an Indian politician, the only source of external help you can turn to is United States. India would be able to receive economic and military assistance to deter China, while US gets a useful ally in its containment efforts.
 
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China accepts that India already made its geopolitical choice to become the US' proxy in "containing" the People's Republic, but it would prefer for their seemingly inevitable "decoupling" to be as manageable as possible, hence why it's helping its rival "save face" by mutually disengaging for now.

China and India decided to pull back their forces 1,5 kilometers from the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on Monday following last month's lethal non-armed clash in the Galwan Valley. This move is being misportrayed by some Indian media as a "Chinese retreat" when in reality it's anything but since both countries are simultaneously disengaging their forces instead of this just being a unilateral Chinese move like they're inaccurately making it seem. That narrative observation is the first lesson to be learned from this development.

The Indian population has been indoctrinated with jingoistic propaganda (yes, literal propaganda as in fake news and deliberately misleading "reports" for "perception management" purposes) since Modi's election in 2014. The domestic perception situation has gotten so out of control since then that the Indian government can't possibly acknowledge actual facts anymore lest they provoke the population into rioting for hyper-nationalist reasons. This explains why the mutual disengagement is being misportrayed as a unilateral one.

China established firm control over the disputed Galwan Valley after last month's incident, but pulling back for the sake of de-escalation following India's decision to do the same was meant to cushion the domestic "soft power" blow to Modi's BJP.

The Chinese have millennia of diplomatic experience and appear to believe that this was a necessary move in order to slow the pace of India's pro-American pivot since it seems almost impossible to reverse. There's little doubt that India will continue to make piecemeal progress on its grand strategic goal of economically "decoupling" from China, but even its most hyper-nationalist strategists know that this can't be accomplished right away like the jingoistic mobs falsely expected. It therefore makes sense for this to be a gradual process.

http://oneworld.press/?module=artic...fYhs1ry9Fwe7ve-WRn0nlKSE1C325H7Fa2CMpNsV2Gsgw

so nice of china that they have given india opportunity to save face by china pulling back by 2 kms .

That is one shitty blog source.

we should thank china for the great gesture of pulling back .
 
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@Song Hong

What do you find in this article worth posting here. How pushing and shoving and then withdrawing will slow down the process of Quad instead of pacing it up?

If anything this border skirmish or standoff will reinforce need of US alliance in Bharat.
Maybe next time you turn up there will be US base in Indian Punjab or even Indian occupied Kashmir. White men will go to any extent to browbeat China.

I think half hearted decision result in future losses. If you don't want to end it then don't send soldiers.
 
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Trump is going to go to hell, becoming an Ally with India with news like this. Muslims probably has it as bad.

Christian mother of four in India persecuted before her death

NEW DELHI (BP) -- Tribal Hindus persecuted a widowed, Christian mother of four before her body was found severely mutilated in the wilderness near her village in Chhattisgarh, India, sources said.

The body of 40-year-old Bajjo Bai Mandavi was initially unrecognizable and appeared to have been eaten by wild animals when it was found two miles into the wilderness near her native Kumud village, Kuye Mari, May 29. She was last seen going into the wilderness to collect firewood May 25.

She had suffered death threats, deprivation of water and shunning at the hands of villagers who were upset that she left their blend of Hindu and traditional tribal rituals. This led family members and area Christian leaders to believe she was raped and killed before animals fed on her body.

"There was no way to find out who the people were who raped my sister-in-law and then murdered her, so police and the authorities thought best to call it an attack by a wild animal," her brother-in-law, Bhajnath Mandavi, said through tears.

Bhajnath Mandavi is the younger brother of Bajjo Bai Mandavi's husband Bhola Mandavi, who died of an illness four years ago, leaving Bajjo Bai Mandavi with children who are now 6, 8, 12 and 17.

Villagers had met four times to discuss action against her, area pastor Rupesh Kumar Salam told Morning Star News.

"She was threatened and asked to leave her faith and re-convert, but she boldly took a stand for her faith," said Pastor Salam, who leads a church of about 120 people in nearby Kue Mari.

Bajjo Bai Mandavi had attended Sunday services there regularly with her children. In Kumud village, hers was one of just two Christian families among 21 other families.

The tribal Hindu families prohibited her from fetching water from the common village tap, forcing her to walk miles for it, Pastor Salam said.

"She bravely fought all the odds and refused to deny her faith even after she started to receive death threats from the Hindu extremist villagers," Pastor Salam said. "Bajjo Bai became a Christian a little more than three years ago, and since then had faced severe opposition from the villagers."

She regularly talked about the threats and shunning she and her children faced from the tribal Hindu villagers, he said.

"I always told her that we are praying for her and that everything will be fine -- we could never imagine that she would face such brutality," Pastor Salam said. "She was raped and then murdered by religious extremists for her Christian faith."

Brother-in-law Mandavi said her own brother, who lives in her village, would not speak to her after she became a Christian.

"Nobody except one Christian family would speak to Bajjo Bai and her children," he said.

An influential, tribal Hindu family in the village likely had a hand in the alleged rape and killing, said a source close to her family who requested anonymity.

"The villagers and all of us know who they are, but no action would be taken against them," the source said. "They have a lot of money to enable them to keep themselves out of any trouble."

If indeed a homicide, the woman's death would be the third religiously motivated killing of a Christian in India within a few weeks. In Bari village, Jharkhand state, followers of tribal religion abducted and killed Kande Munda June 7. And on June 4 in Odisha state, followers of tribal religion abducted 16-year-old Sambaru Madkami before stabbing and stoning him to death for his faith.

In Uttar Pradesh state on May 28, villagers tried to kill Pastor Dinesh Kumar in an ambush that left him unconscious.

Foul play dismissed

The remains of the semi-naked body were found in the wilderness by the driver of a tractor loaded with road construction material, Pastor Salam said.

The driver notified police, and Christians arrived at the site of the body with officers, he said.

Gurcharan Bhandari, leader of Kumud and other nearby villages, denied any foul play.

"She was probably killed by a wild animal," Bhandari told Morning Star News.

Though he had not seen the police report, he said that it states that she was killed by a wild animal. Family members and church leaders also have not received a copy of the police report.

The village chief said an autopsy took place at the site where the body was discovered. Though neither he, victim family members or church leaders have received a copy of the autopsy report, Bhandari said it also indicated that she was mauled to death by a wild animal.

The village chief said it was common for wild animals to attack humans in the wilderness but admitted that no such attack had ever taken place in the area where she was collecting firewood. He said the last attack took place three years ago in a far different part of the wilderness.

Bhandari said he suspects a bear might have killed her but could not explain why only her legs appeared to have been eaten.

Search for Justice

Bhajnath Mandavi said he is caring for the deceased's two younger children. The 12-year-old has been living with another relative 30 miles away for the past year, he said.

"I am still in shock. I do not know what the future of her four children will be," said Mandavi, who was unable to attend his sister-in-law's funeral due to coronavirus travel restrictions.

The oldest son, a contract laborer in Tamil Nadu state, also was forced to miss the funeral due to travel restrictions, he said.

"The eldest son could not come home even at his mother's death," Mandavi said.

Bajjo Bai Mandavi had supported her family as a daily-wage laborer. A senior pastor and Christian leader in the area said converts to Christianity in India's rural areas increasingly face the threats and shunning she suffered.

"Social boycott is very real," Pastor Son Singh told Morning Star News. "It is practiced even against high-ranking government officials when they accept Christ, so what can we say about this woman who was just a poor person and also a widow?"

The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom on April 28 urged the U.S. State Department to add India as a "Country of Particular Concern" to its list of nations with poor records of protecting religious freedom.

India is ranked 10th on Christian support organization Open Doors' 2020 World Watch List of the countries where it is most difficult to be a Christian. The country was 31st in 2013, but its position has worsened since Narendra Modi of the Bharatiya Janata Party came to power in 2014.

http://www.bpnews.net/55057/christian-mother-of-four-in-india-persecuted-before-her-death
 
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@Song Hong

What do you find in this article worth posting here. How pushing and shoving and then withdrawing will slow down the process of Quad instead of pacing it up?

If anything this border skirmish or standoff will reinforce need of US alliance in Bharat.
Maybe next time you turn up there will be US base in Indian Punjab or even Indian occupied Kashmir. White men will go to any extent to browbeat China.

I think half hearted decision result in future losses. If you don't want to end it then don't send soldiers.
Don't worry. The Indians won't honor the de-escalation. There is nothing that guarantees Indian aggression more than making a deal on non-aggression. I predict more bloodshed in days or weeks maximum.
 
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China decided to up the force used in LAC, after having judged that Indians have more or less joined the US containment gang.

Right now China does not occupy any Indian LAC, even after military victory.

In future, if India pivot more to US, she could see China inch forward after belligerent.
 
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Trump is going to go to hell, becoming an Ally with India with news like this. Muslims probably has it as bad.

Christian mother of four in India persecuted before her death

NEW DELHI (BP) -- Tribal Hindus persecuted a widowed, Christian mother of four before her body was found severely mutilated in the wilderness near her village in Chhattisgarh, India, sources said.

The body of 40-year-old Bajjo Bai Mandavi was initially unrecognizable and appeared to have been eaten by wild animals when it was found two miles into the wilderness near her native Kumud village, Kuye Mari, May 29. She was last seen going into the wilderness to collect firewood May 25.

She had suffered death threats, deprivation of water and shunning at the hands of villagers who were upset that she left their blend of Hindu and traditional tribal rituals. This led family members and area Christian leaders to believe she was raped and killed before animals fed on her body.

"There was no way to find out who the people were who raped my sister-in-law and then murdered her, so police and the authorities thought best to call it an attack by a wild animal," her brother-in-law, Bhajnath Mandavi, said through tears.

Bhajnath Mandavi is the younger brother of Bajjo Bai Mandavi's husband Bhola Mandavi, who died of an illness four years ago, leaving Bajjo Bai Mandavi with children who are now 6, 8, 12 and 17.

Villagers had met four times to discuss action against her, area pastor Rupesh Kumar Salam told Morning Star News.

"She was threatened and asked to leave her faith and re-convert, but she boldly took a stand for her faith," said Pastor Salam, who leads a church of about 120 people in nearby Kue Mari.

Bajjo Bai Mandavi had attended Sunday services there regularly with her children. In Kumud village, hers was one of just two Christian families among 21 other families.

The tribal Hindu families prohibited her from fetching water from the common village tap, forcing her to walk miles for it, Pastor Salam said.

"She bravely fought all the odds and refused to deny her faith even after she started to receive death threats from the Hindu extremist villagers," Pastor Salam said. "Bajjo Bai became a Christian a little more than three years ago, and since then had faced severe opposition from the villagers."

She regularly talked about the threats and shunning she and her children faced from the tribal Hindu villagers, he said.

"I always told her that we are praying for her and that everything will be fine -- we could never imagine that she would face such brutality," Pastor Salam said. "She was raped and then murdered by religious extremists for her Christian faith."

Brother-in-law Mandavi said her own brother, who lives in her village, would not speak to her after she became a Christian.

"Nobody except one Christian family would speak to Bajjo Bai and her children," he said.

An influential, tribal Hindu family in the village likely had a hand in the alleged rape and killing, said a source close to her family who requested anonymity.

"The villagers and all of us know who they are, but no action would be taken against them," the source said. "They have a lot of money to enable them to keep themselves out of any trouble."

If indeed a homicide, the woman's death would be the third religiously motivated killing of a Christian in India within a few weeks. In Bari village, Jharkhand state, followers of tribal religion abducted and killed Kande Munda June 7. And on June 4 in Odisha state, followers of tribal religion abducted 16-year-old Sambaru Madkami before stabbing and stoning him to death for his faith.

In Uttar Pradesh state on May 28, villagers tried to kill Pastor Dinesh Kumar in an ambush that left him unconscious.

Foul play dismissed

The remains of the semi-naked body were found in the wilderness by the driver of a tractor loaded with road construction material, Pastor Salam said.

The driver notified police, and Christians arrived at the site of the body with officers, he said.

Gurcharan Bhandari, leader of Kumud and other nearby villages, denied any foul play.

"She was probably killed by a wild animal," Bhandari told Morning Star News.

Though he had not seen the police report, he said that it states that she was killed by a wild animal. Family members and church leaders also have not received a copy of the police report.

The village chief said an autopsy took place at the site where the body was discovered. Though neither he, victim family members or church leaders have received a copy of the autopsy report, Bhandari said it also indicated that she was mauled to death by a wild animal.

The village chief said it was common for wild animals to attack humans in the wilderness but admitted that no such attack had ever taken place in the area where she was collecting firewood. He said the last attack took place three years ago in a far different part of the wilderness.

Bhandari said he suspects a bear might have killed her but could not explain why only her legs appeared to have been eaten.

Search for Justice

Bhajnath Mandavi said he is caring for the deceased's two younger children. The 12-year-old has been living with another relative 30 miles away for the past year, he said.

"I am still in shock. I do not know what the future of her four children will be," said Mandavi, who was unable to attend his sister-in-law's funeral due to coronavirus travel restrictions.

The oldest son, a contract laborer in Tamil Nadu state, also was forced to miss the funeral due to travel restrictions, he said.

"The eldest son could not come home even at his mother's death," Mandavi said.

Bajjo Bai Mandavi had supported her family as a daily-wage laborer. A senior pastor and Christian leader in the area said converts to Christianity in India's rural areas increasingly face the threats and shunning she suffered.

"Social boycott is very real," Pastor Son Singh told Morning Star News. "It is practiced even against high-ranking government officials when they accept Christ, so what can we say about this woman who was just a poor person and also a widow?"

The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom on April 28 urged the U.S. State Department to add India as a "Country of Particular Concern" to its list of nations with poor records of protecting religious freedom.

India is ranked 10th on Christian support organization Open Doors' 2020 World Watch List of the countries where it is most difficult to be a Christian. The country was 31st in 2013, but its position has worsened since Narendra Modi of the Bharatiya Janata Party came to power in 2014.

http://www.bpnews.net/55057/christian-mother-of-four-in-india-persecuted-before-her-death

They don't care about religion, they use human rights as a tool for regime change, same day they praise Israel and then cry about Uighur's..

Their real enemies are Muslims and China.

Don't worry. The Indians won't honor the de-escalation. There is nothing that guarantees Indian aggression more than making a deal on non-aggression. I predict more bloodshed in days or weeks maximum.

Indians are already celebrating their fake victory as usual about how shupa powa forced China to retreat even though its bharati who lose the territory not China, They will continue editing wikipedia for decades untillyour casualties reach 100 times that of Indians..

knowing their history, they will never dare to challenge equal or bigger military even in their wet dreams. do you really expect a country who have never physically started a conflict with much smaller Pakistan will start conflict with China, (don't take Pakistan as aggressor, they create political situation like removal of Kashmir's special status, supporting terrorism like in Bangladesh to force us into wars)

anyways its non of my concern i am just reading too much article on this issue, you may think i want conflict, no i don't. i was just saying if it ends how its, it will have repercussions. India will be forced to rethink its policies, surely they will not take China as positive anymore (they never took but will be forced to take some steps to safe guard their occupation), Pakistan and Islam is always their enemy no.1 so no talk with Pakistan either.. so surely they have to do something to match China and Pakistan, You will soon hear about US bases.
 
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Don't worry. The Indians won't honor the de-escalation. There is nothing that guarantees Indian aggression more than making a deal on non-aggression. I predict more bloodshed in days or weeks maximum.

I've done another analysis on PLAAF vs. IAF.

Result: probably USAF vs. Iraqi Air Force, 1991. IAF is like IrAF - mostly a jumble of foreign purchased planes that can't really talk to each other. It is better if IAF keeps parading and doing flybys like Saddam's air force, instead of try to take on the big boys and lose their toys.
 
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We had hoped, we didn't have to come to this, but China has not left us with any other option, Its greedy, its arrogant and its expansionist.

So fine, you wanted create an enemy, now you got one. As if China was short of enemies, now there is global alliance forming against Chinese expansionism and for sure India will be a part of it.
 
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We had hoped, we didn't have to come to this, but China has not left us with any other option, Its greedy, its arrogant and its expansionist.

So fine, you wanted create an enemy, now you got one. As if China was short of enemies, now there is global alliance forming against Chinese expansionism and for sure India will be a part of it.
LOL that's what you said in 1962!
 
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Lol. China for decades had been arming, cooperating, supporting our enemy without any check. Just when India started cozying a bit with US (your enemy), all these news articles show up saying India sold itself to US and what not. Diplomacy is a two way street. You scratch my back, I'll yours.
 
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Trump is going to go to hell, becoming an Ally with India with news like this. Muslims probably has it as bad.

Christian mother of four in India persecuted before her death

NEW DELHI (BP) -- Tribal Hindus persecuted a widowed, Christian mother of four before her body was found severely mutilated in the wilderness near her village in Chhattisgarh, India, sources said.

The body of 40-year-old Bajjo Bai Mandavi was initially unrecognizable and appeared to have been eaten by wild animals when it was found two miles into the wilderness near her native Kumud village, Kuye Mari, May 29. She was last seen going into the wilderness to collect firewood May 25.

She had suffered death threats, deprivation of water and shunning at the hands of villagers who were upset that she left their blend of Hindu and traditional tribal rituals. This led family members and area Christian leaders to believe she was raped and killed before animals fed on her body.

"There was no way to find out who the people were who raped my sister-in-law and then murdered her, so police and the authorities thought best to call it an attack by a wild animal," her brother-in-law, Bhajnath Mandavi, said through tears.

Bhajnath Mandavi is the younger brother of Bajjo Bai Mandavi's husband Bhola Mandavi, who died of an illness four years ago, leaving Bajjo Bai Mandavi with children who are now 6, 8, 12 and 17.

Villagers had met four times to discuss action against her, area pastor Rupesh Kumar Salam told Morning Star News.

"She was threatened and asked to leave her faith and re-convert, but she boldly took a stand for her faith," said Pastor Salam, who leads a church of about 120 people in nearby Kue Mari.

Bajjo Bai Mandavi had attended Sunday services there regularly with her children. In Kumud village, hers was one of just two Christian families among 21 other families.

The tribal Hindu families prohibited her from fetching water from the common village tap, forcing her to walk miles for it, Pastor Salam said.

"She bravely fought all the odds and refused to deny her faith even after she started to receive death threats from the Hindu extremist villagers," Pastor Salam said. "Bajjo Bai became a Christian a little more than three years ago, and since then had faced severe opposition from the villagers."

She regularly talked about the threats and shunning she and her children faced from the tribal Hindu villagers, he said.

"I always told her that we are praying for her and that everything will be fine -- we could never imagine that she would face such brutality," Pastor Salam said. "She was raped and then murdered by religious extremists for her Christian faith."

Brother-in-law Mandavi said her own brother, who lives in her village, would not speak to her after she became a Christian.

"Nobody except one Christian family would speak to Bajjo Bai and her children," he said.

An influential, tribal Hindu family in the village likely had a hand in the alleged rape and killing, said a source close to her family who requested anonymity.

"The villagers and all of us know who they are, but no action would be taken against them," the source said. "They have a lot of money to enable them to keep themselves out of any trouble."

If indeed a homicide, the woman's death would be the third religiously motivated killing of a Christian in India within a few weeks. In Bari village, Jharkhand state, followers of tribal religion abducted and killed Kande Munda June 7. And on June 4 in Odisha state, followers of tribal religion abducted 16-year-old Sambaru Madkami before stabbing and stoning him to death for his faith.

In Uttar Pradesh state on May 28, villagers tried to kill Pastor Dinesh Kumar in an ambush that left him unconscious.

Foul play dismissed

The remains of the semi-naked body were found in the wilderness by the driver of a tractor loaded with road construction material, Pastor Salam said.

The driver notified police, and Christians arrived at the site of the body with officers, he said.

Gurcharan Bhandari, leader of Kumud and other nearby villages, denied any foul play.

"She was probably killed by a wild animal," Bhandari told Morning Star News.

Though he had not seen the police report, he said that it states that she was killed by a wild animal. Family members and church leaders also have not received a copy of the police report.

The village chief said an autopsy took place at the site where the body was discovered. Though neither he, victim family members or church leaders have received a copy of the autopsy report, Bhandari said it also indicated that she was mauled to death by a wild animal.

The village chief said it was common for wild animals to attack humans in the wilderness but admitted that no such attack had ever taken place in the area where she was collecting firewood. He said the last attack took place three years ago in a far different part of the wilderness.

Bhandari said he suspects a bear might have killed her but could not explain why only her legs appeared to have been eaten.

Search for Justice

Bhajnath Mandavi said he is caring for the deceased's two younger children. The 12-year-old has been living with another relative 30 miles away for the past year, he said.

"I am still in shock. I do not know what the future of her four children will be," said Mandavi, who was unable to attend his sister-in-law's funeral due to coronavirus travel restrictions.

The oldest son, a contract laborer in Tamil Nadu state, also was forced to miss the funeral due to travel restrictions, he said.

"The eldest son could not come home even at his mother's death," Mandavi said.

Bajjo Bai Mandavi had supported her family as a daily-wage laborer. A senior pastor and Christian leader in the area said converts to Christianity in India's rural areas increasingly face the threats and shunning she suffered.

"Social boycott is very real," Pastor Son Singh told Morning Star News. "It is practiced even against high-ranking government officials when they accept Christ, so what can we say about this woman who was just a poor person and also a widow?"

The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom on April 28 urged the U.S. State Department to add India as a "Country of Particular Concern" to its list of nations with poor records of protecting religious freedom.

India is ranked 10th on Christian support organization Open Doors' 2020 World Watch List of the countries where it is most difficult to be a Christian. The country was 31st in 2013, but its position has worsened since Narendra Modi of the Bharatiya Janata Party came to power in 2014.

http://www.bpnews.net/55057/christian-mother-of-four-in-india-persecuted-before-her-death

Trump isn't a Christian, he just uses religion for political purposes like most leaders. He used to **** child prostitutes FFS.
 
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