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In the next decade China will loose its military and economic edge

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China has ceased to be a high-growth, low-wage economy. As China's economy slows, the process of creating and organizing an economic infrastructure to employ low-wage workers will be incremental. What can be done quickly in a port city takes much longer in the interior. Therefore, China has normalized its economy, as Japan did before it, and as Taiwan and South Korea did in 1997. All massive expansions climax, and the operations of the economies shift.

The problem for China in the next decade are the political and social consequences of that shift. The coastal region has been built on high growth rates and close ties with European and American consumers. As these decline, political and social challenges emerge. At the same time, the expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed. The problem for the next decade will be containing these difficulties.

Beijing's growing dictatorial tendencies and an anti-corruption campaign, which is actually Beijing's assertion of its power over all of China, provide an outline of what China would like to see in the next decade. China is following a hybrid path that will centralize political and economic powers, assert Party primacy over the military, and consolidate previously fragmented industries like coal and steel amid the gradual and tepid implementation of market-oriented reforms in state-owned enterprises and in the banking sector. It is highly likely that a dictatorial state coupled with more modest economic expectations will result. However, there is a less likely but still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest. This is not an unknown pattern in China, and, though we do not see this as the most likely course, it should be kept in mind. Our forecast is the imposition of a communist dictatorship, a high degree of economic and political centralization and increased nationalism.

China cannot easily turn nationalism into active aggression. China's geography makes such actions on land difficult, if not impossible. The only exception might be an attempt to take control of Russia's maritime interests if we are correct and Russia fragments. Here, Japan likely would challenge China. China is building a large number of ships but has little experience in naval warfare and lacks the experienced fleet commanders needed to challenge more experienced navies, including the U.S. Navy.

Japan has the resources to build a significantly larger navy and a more substantial naval tradition. In addition, Japan is heavily dependent on imports of raw materials from Southeast Asia and the Persian Gulf. Right now it depends on the United States to guarantee access. But given that we are forecasting more cautious U.S. involvement in foreign ventures and that the United States is not dependent on imports, the reliability of the United States is in question. Therefore, the Japanese will increase their naval power in the coming years.

Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region. Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them. We forecast this as the central, unsettled issue in the region as Russia declines and Sino-Japanese competition increases.

Post-China Manufacturing Hubs
International capitalism requires a low-wage, high-growth region for high rewards on risk capital. In the 1880s it was the United States, for example. China was the most recent region, replacing Japan. No one country can replace China, but we have noted 16 countries with a total population of about 1.15 billion people where entry-level manufacturing has gone after leaving China.

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To identify these countries, we looked at three industries. The first was garment manufacturing, particularly low-end and of garment parts like coat linings. Second was the manufacturing of footwear. Third, we looked at cellphone assembly. These industries require low capital investment, and manufacturers move their facilities around rapidly to take advantage of low wages. Industries of this sort, such as inexpensive toys in Japan, served as a foundation for manufacturing sectors to evolve into broader low-wage products in high demand. The workforce, frequently women at first, expanded dramatically as new low-wage industries moved in. The wages were low on a global scale but very attractive on the local scale.

Like China during its takeoff in the late 1970s, these countries tend to be politically unstable, with uncertain rule of law, poor infrastructure and all of the risks advanced industrial businesses try to avoid. But companies from other countries excel in these environments and have built business models around this.

The map of these countries shows that they are concentrated in the Indian Ocean Basin. Another way to look at it is that these are the less developed countries (or regions) in Asia, East Africa and Latin America. Our forecast is that in this next decade, many of these countries — and perhaps some not identified — will collectively take on the role that China had in the 1980s. This would mean that by the end of the decade, they would be entering an intensifying period of growth in a much wider array of products. Mexico, whose economy exhibits potential in both low-end manufacturing and higher-end industry in a cost-competitive environment, stands to benefit substantially from its northern neighbor's investment and healthy level of consumption.
 
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I stopped reading when i saw Dominican Republic being labelled as upcoming manufacturing hub.
China is becoming to expensive to manufature in. You might not now but Chinese average age is almost 40 years old per head. There are much cheaper countries to manufacture in. If you like it or not. This will happen.
 
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The problem with high growth rates is that you cannot sustain them forever.

Take India for example. India was, and still is, the largest service sector in the world. Outsourcing was done in India because it was cheap. This fueled a growth rate, but with a high growth rate comes a high inflation and costs shoot up. Today India is not so cheap as it was 15 years ago and many MNCs are now considering shifting business to SEA countries or other smaller countries.

Chinese growth rate has started to slow, India overtook China in last financial quarter. India most probably will lead China for two years and then India too will follow suit. This does not mean the economy is crumbling, it means the economy has matured. Like a human being the economy can only grow so much, after that it becomes stable. The growth rate of US, Japan etc. are miniscule because there is not much scope for further growth but they are rich.
 
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Chinese growth rate has started to slow, India overtook China in last financial quarter. India most probably will lead China for two years and then India too will follow suit. This does not mean the economy is crumbling, it means the economy has matured. Like a human being the economy can only grow so much, after that it becomes stable. The growth rate of US, Japan etc. are miniscule because there is not much scope for further growth but they are rich.

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haha, poor turk can take our cheap manufacturing jobs, we don't need it anyway

China won't do these cheap manufacturing job forever.

The average age of China is 34 years old, Japan is 40 years old..

China is becoming to expensive to manufature in. You might not now but Chinese average age is almost 40 years old per head. There are much cheaper countries to manufacture in. If you like it or not. This will happen.
There are still about 443 million people in China under the age of 25, how many people does entire Europe or fucking Turkey have?

Age structure: 0-14 years: 17.1% (male 124,340,516/female 107,287,324)
15-24 years: 14.7% (male 105,763,058/female 93,903,845)
25-54 years: 47.2% (male 327,130,324/female 313,029,536)
55-64 years: 11.3% (male 77,751,100/female 75,737,968)
65 years and over: 9.6% (male 62,646,075/female 68,102,830) (2014 est.)


and 60% of today's China's younger generation (from 1990- 1996) have University degree or college degree,

The eastern provinces of China, the GDP per capita is already above 13000 USD, there are around 400 million people,

what's the GDP per capita ofTurkey?




China has 100 international giants companies enter Fortune Global 500, How many does Turkey have?
 
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So why don't you correct me Mr. Know-it-all.

How are you estimating India will only grow for 2 years?

Looking at the country , resources and human resources one can easily tell that India will grow for 1 and half to 2 decades. If the policies are correctly implemented based on the experience of Japanese, Korean and Chinese economies the growth will last more decades to come.
 
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Atatwolf is not wrong in is assessment. No country can sustain a high growth rate forever. Inflation is an integral part of growth, you cannot curb inflation while promoting growth both at the same time. This is why there are class divides in rich countries including USA. England, France are exceptions because they were not doing business, they were building colonies and doing daylight robbery.

China's speed is slowing down. And the population problem is very real. So real that a hardline country like China had to relax its one-child policy. China has a VAST aging population.

Every major company has a manufacturing hub in China which in turn is promoting Chinese economy. But manufacturing in China is getting costly every year and hence Boeing, IBM, Apple will all look for other countries.
 
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Turkey is thinking it's developed country?

If Turkey is developed, half of China is developed


The provinces of China has GDP per capital above


1. Jiangsu: $14000 (79 million population)

2. Zhejiang: $13000 (54 million population)

3. Inner Mongolia: $11000 (24 million population)

4. Liaoning: $10600 (44 million population)

5. Fujian: $10400 (38 million population)

6. Guangdong: $10300 (106 million population)

7. Shandong:$10000 (98 million population)


Total population of these 7 provinces: 443 million people



what's the GDP per capita for fucking Turkey?
 
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haha, poor turk can take our cheap manufacturing jobs, we don't need it anyway

China won't do these cheap manufacturing job forever.

The average age of China is 34 years old, Japan is 40 years old..


There are still about 443 million people in China under the age of 25, how many people does entire Europe or fucking Turkey have?

Age structure: 0-14 years: 17.1% (male 124,340,516/female 107,287,324)
15-24 years: 14.7% (male 105,763,058/female 93,903,845)
25-54 years: 47.2% (male 327,130,324/female 313,029,536)
55-64 years: 11.3% (male 77,751,100/female 75,737,968)
65 years and over: 9.6% (male 62,646,075/female 68,102,830) (2014 est.)


and 60% of today's China's younger generation (from 1990- 1996) have University degree or college degree, you think any country with bunch of illterate population can take jobs?

The eastern provinces of China, the GDP per capita is already above 13000 USD, there are around 400 million people,

what's the GDP per capita of fucking Turkey?


I think poor country like Turkey can have our cheap jobs, we do't need it anyway


China has 100 international giants companies enter Fortune Global 500, How many does Turkey have?

Turkey is nothing and will be stuck in thrid-world shithole forever
How can you move from cheap manifacturing economy to service economy when majority of China are primitive uneducated peasants? To make such a transition you need multiple decades. The economic slowdown of China is just on the corner. Probably this will lead to a big economic crises with Beijing loosing control of many poor provinces. Income inequality is too great. 90% of the Chinese who are peasants won't bare this inequality and fascism from Beijing.
 
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How are you estimating India will only grow for 2 years?

Looking at the country , resources and human resources one can easily tell that India will grow for 1 and half to 2 decades. If the policies are correctly implemented based on the experience of Japanese, Korean and Chinese economies the growth will last more decades to come.

It is a miracle that India is growing at all. Under UPA Indian growth had fallen as low as 4 percent. Inflation is on the rise in India which in turn will increase cost including labor cost. Unless India pays its workers very low wages like China does then the growth rate will not last long.

I did not say India will not grow, but the growth rate of 7.5% is not sustainable. I don't know if you are aware but smaller economies have a fast growth rate. The bigger the economy, slower the rate of growth.

Growth occurs when there is scope for development. In which sectors will India grow? Japan is stagnating because they have peaked. South Korea too faces the same problem, as will China very shortly.
 
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Half of Chinese provinces enter the stage of High-income economies

But all these poor countries in Southeast Asia and Africa, their salaries are dirty cheap compare to China, but why can't they take the jobs?


One word, efficiency

But now we surely don't need those low end manufacturing sectors, give them to Southeast Asia and South Asia, we don't care, those low end manufacturing jobs are high-pollution, just export pollution to other countries, it's better for us.


And 60% of China's current exports are all machineries, recators and many other important engineering tools


F
or Jan, 2015, China's trade surplus is 60 billion for just 1 month.

for 2014 whole year, China's trade surplus is 380 billion for 1 year, highest in the world
 
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It is a miracle that India is growing at all. Under UPA Indian growth had fallen as low as 4 percent. Inflation is on the rise in India which in turn will increase cost including labor cost. Unless India pays its workers very low wages like China does then the growth rate will not last long.

I did not say India will not grow, but the growth rate of 7.5% is not sustainable. I don't know if you are aware but smaller economies have a fast growth rate. The bigger the economy, slower the rate of growth.

Growth occurs when there is scope for development. In which sectors will India grow? Japan is stagnating because they have peaked. South Korea too faces the same problem, as will China very shortly.

India has not yet realized its potential there is lot of gap to cover. China has growth rates for more than 30 years and India too will have the growth rates more decades than China.

It is laughable for a country like India to have GDP of 2 Trillion. One reason is the country was looted by invaders starting from 12 th century A.D.
 
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China cann't claim that we would grow the fastest in the world forever!

But this thread is meaningless because it's all about wishful thinking of an anti-Chinese turk. Chinese development has broken hearts of many China haters and we'll still walk along the way... We don't like Turkish bath anyways...
 
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