In race with Japan, China sweetens bid for Indonesia railway

[pr1v4t33r]

I have said it before and don't make me repeat myself. 2% on 50 years term with 2018 operational run vs 0.1% on 40 years term with 2012 operational run. If you do the math, those 1.9% interest rate difference will likely be covered by the 3 years in operation profit. Everything else you said are junk.

Unfortunately, your assessment and considerations have no weight in this matters. It's for Indonesian government to decide.

The one thing I hate the most is any country that use us to bid in an attempt for our rival to sweeten the deal and they choose that rival. If this is how you do business, don't expect us to join any future infrastructure bidding. In fact, I would love to see how the Japanese operate and maintain a HSR network in a foreign country. If Taiwan HSR is any indication, it is a red flag but it's your money, your country, so it is up to you. Again, don't use us! Understand?

That's how bidding for projects works, we choose the best deal. There is no favouritism here. The one that can present the best scheme to handle this HSR project for Indonesian government, will bagged the deal. All over the world, that's how healty competition works.

 

[prima99]

I have said it before and don't make me repeat myself. 2% on 50 years term with 2018 operational run vs 0.1% on 40 years term with 2012 operational run. If you do the math, those 1.9% interest rate difference will likely be covered by the 3 years in operation profit. Everything else you said are junk.

as answered by Privateer

Unfortunately, your assessment and considerations have no weight in this matters. It's for Indonesian government to decide.

The one thing I hate the most is any country that use us to bid in an attempt for our rival to sweeten the deal and they choose that rival. If this is how you do business, don't expect us to join any future infrastructure bidding. In fact, I would love to see how the Japanese operate and maintain a HSR network in a foreign country. If Taiwan HSR is any indication, it is a red flag but it's your money, your country, so it is up to you. Again, don't use us! Understand?

Japan is the first to announce their interest of making the Shinkansen, then China followed afterwards. nobody is using China. you guys wanted to compete against Japan, that's your choice. China is new player in Indonesian Infrastructure. nobody cares even if you guys don't want to join any future infrastructure. Japan and South Korea would love to take that Offer Anytime. just don't be so butthurt if Japan wins the competition. this is what a competition is all about.

also inb4 France joining the competition as well.

 

[Echo_419]

I have said it before and don't make me repeat myself. 2% on 50 years term with 2018 operational run vs 0.1% on 40 years term with 2012 operational run. If you do the math, those 1.9% interest rate difference will likely be covered by the 3 years in operation profit. Everything else you said are junk.

The one thing I hate the most is any country that use us to bid in an attempt for our rival to sweeten the deal and they choose that rival. If this is how you do business, don't expect us to join any future infrastructure bidding. In fact, I would love to see how the Japanese operate and maintain a HSR network in a foreign country. If Taiwan HSR is any indication, it is a red flag but it's your money, your country, so it is up to you. Again, don't use us! Understand?

You are kidding right every country does that

 

[pr1v4t33r]

China ramp up the effort to win the deal by organizing HSR exhibition in Jakarta (13/8/2015)

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Japanese train coaches have tiny windows witch is a huge deal breaker.

 

[yoshi.oda]

Good luck to Indonesian brothers and sisters!!!! TERYMA KASEH!!!!!

 

[Nike]

Good luck to Indonesian brothers and sisters!!!! TERYMA KASEH!!!!!

Oyasumi, hajimemashite Yoshioda san, watashi wo namae wa Madoka

Watashitachi wa koko de sutekina giron o motte dekiru koto o negaimasu

 

[Keel]

India will catch up in years in this field. They have a strong desire, I think so.

they have strong desires in everything since Nehru

yes they will give us Independence even if the WWII lasted for 1000 years.

Tadashi Maeda (admiral) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rear Admiral Tadashi Maeda (前田 精 Maeda Tadashi?, March 3, 1898 - December 13, 1977) was a high-ranking Imperial Japanese Navy officer during the Pacific War. Maeda played an important role in Indonesian independence; he met Sukarno and Mohammad Hatta at his house in Jakarta on August 16th, 1945 and his house was used to declare the Indonesian independence.



one obvious reason to pick japan than china to win the bid.

In race with Japan, China sweetens bid for Indonesia railway - The Economic Times

According to Miyazawa, the Japanese government is willing to offer a soft loan to cover 75 percent of the funding needed for the project, which will connect capital Jakarta with the country’s third-largest city, Bandung, West Java.


Japan, which has conducted a feasibility study for the project, estimates that it will cost a total of Rp 45 trillion ($3.3 billion).


The interest rate on the loan Japan is offering will be as low as 0.1 percent, and the Indonesian government will have 40 years to pay off the amount. And under the terms of the soft loan, the government will only start paying the installments 11 years after the project has started operation.

also for the Genuinity and Quality.

Good luck with the project if you want to choose Jpn eventually

If Jpn is really bidding @ $3.3 billion and if their bid is for sure lower than China's PLUS the extremely favourable financial arrangements, then let the Japanese feel if the contract is a blessing or a curse for them. Time will tell who is the winner from a business perspective

So let's not putting down on any parties even if the Indonesian ultra nationalists are not a fan of China. Indonesians should be glad to have a keen competitor like China in the bidding process

The experience with Taiwan quoted from our members has given you guys valuable points to ponder if I were you. You should be thankful for this input

 

[yoshi.oda]

Oyasumi, hajimemashite Yoshioda san, watashi wo namae wa Madoka

Watashitachi wa koko de sutekina giron o motte dekiru koto o negaimasu

Madoka-chan,

Namae wa kawaii ne....

Yoro shiku onegai itashimasu! Watashi no namae wa Takahiro.

Nihongo ga jyuzou desune!

they have strong desires in everything since Nehru

Good luck with the project if you want to choose Jpn eventually

If Jpn is really bidding @ $3.3 billion and if their bid is for sure lower than China's PLUS the extremely favourable financial arrangements, then let the Japanese feel if the contract is a blessing or a curse for them. Time will tell who is the winner from a business perspective

So let's not putting down on any parties even if the Indonesian ultra nationalists are not a fan of China. Indonesians should be glad to have a keen competitor like China in the bidding process

The experience with Taiwan quoted from our members has given you guys valuable points to ponder if I were you. You should be thankful for this input

Be quiet you Chinese troll! All you spew is hatred for Japan. Go away Chinese.

 

[Keel]

Be quiet you Chinese troll! All you spew is hatred for Japan. Go away Chinese.

japanese ask for it and you get it - the chances to make things right; All the true historical facts badly distorted by jpn govt and hidden from the japanese education

No way to hide jpnese!

go away right-wing

 

[Beast]

as answered by Privateer





Japan is the first to announce their interest of making the Shinkansen, then China followed afterwards. nobody is using China. you guys wanted to compete against Japan, that's your choice. China is new player in Indonesian Infrastructure. nobody cares even if you guys don't want to join any future infrastructure. Japan and South Korea would love to take that Offer Anytime. just don't be so butthurt if Japan wins the competition. this is what a competition is all about.

also inb4 France joining the competition as well.

China Exports High-Speed Rail Technology to Turkey - NYTimes.com

 

[xunzi]

as answered by Privateer

Japan is the first to announce their interest of making the Shinkansen, then China followed afterwards. nobody is using China. you guys wanted to compete against Japan, that's your choice. China is new player in Indonesian Infrastructure. nobody cares even if you guys don't want to join any future infrastructure. Japan and South Korea would love to take that Offer Anytime. just don't be so butthurt if Japan wins the competition. this is what a competition is all about.

also inb4 France joining the competition as well.

Recently your President called us to invest more in Indonesian infrastructure and build manufacturing base there so I'm not sure we are not welcome here. As far as I'm concern, I don't care who win this HSR. Do not attempt to use us is all I'm saying.

You are kidding right every country does that

Not really. I'm not kidding. This is very fishy. The more you do research on this project, the more you come out thinking this is a trap set by Indonesia to make Japan sweeten the deal. We were never in the run to begin with.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

China Exports High-Speed Rail Technology to Turkey - NYTimes.com

Congrats for China for the completion of Turkey HSR. But sir, from your link, i understand that in this project, China faced many difficulties and delay.

Even after the rail line’s completion, a technical glitch marred its highly anticipated maiden voyage, forcing the train carrying Mr. Erdogan to halt for half an hour near the city of Izmit, according to Agence France-Presse.

While China is hailing the completion of the rail line as a milestone in Chinese-Turkish relations, both countries have admitted to difficulties during the process. The project has reportedly been beset with problems such as delays and accidents.

With the experience with Turkey, and considering all the defficulties ahead, do you still confidence that China can fulfil it's bid to complete Jakarta-Bandung HSR in just 3 years. In Turkey HSR case, it took almost 10 years to complete the project.

The experience with Taiwan quoted from our members has given you guys valuable points to ponder if I were you. You should be thankful for this input

Interesting read indeed. I believe that our government will consider all aspects regarding this project. Lesson learned from Taiwan case will be a great input for us.

Recently your President called us to invest more in Indonesian infrastructure and build manufacturing base there so I'm not sure we are not welcome here. As far as I'm concern, I don't care who win this HSR. Do not attempt to use us is all I'm saying. Not really. I'm not kidding. This is very fishy. The more you do research on this project, the more you come out thinking this is a trap set by Indonesia to make Japan sweeten the deal. We were never in the run to begin with

There's no need for paranoia, we don't try to abuse our relation with China. But that's just how bidding project works, we only try to create healty competition. How can we know if Japan or China proposal good enough for us, if there is no competition? China investment is not limited just in this one HSR project, we already work closely together on many projects before, such as power plants, ect.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Japan, China in final stage of Indonesia train bid
7:30 pm, August 24, 2015

Jiji Press JAKARTA (Jiji Press) — Japan and China are in the final stage of a competition for an order to build a high-speed railway system on the Indonesian island of Java, with the Indonesian government expected to pick the winner later this month.

While Japan has been stressing the safety of its Shinkansen bullet train technology, China has called attention to the short construction period for the high-speed railway system proposed by the country.

The planned railway will connect Jakarta with Bandung in the West Java Province over a distance of about 140 kilometers. Indonesia plans to extend the line to Surabaya in the East Java Province, the country’s second-largest city, in the future.

Japan initially had an edge in the competition, by starting to sell its Shinkansen technology when Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono was still president of Indonesia.

But the administration of Indonesian President Joko Widodo, which came to power last October, initially indicated a plan to cancel the railway project because of its policy to prioritize infrastructure development in areas other than Java.

But the project was revived after Joko visited China in March this year.

China decided to carry out a feasibility study for the Jakarta-Bandung railway project and established a framework in April for cooperation among China’s state-run companies.

China quickly took the lead in the competition, apparently because the country made a fund procurement proposal that does not require a governmental guarantee.

With a sense of crisis, Japan presented to Joko in July a new proposal that would bring forward the start of construction to 2016 from 2019.

Meanwhile, China stressed that the train system proposed by the country would need only three years for completion, shorter than Japan’s plan.

The project proposed by Japan would cost an estimated some $4.5 billion, with the country offering the use of low-interest yen loans.

Although the China-proposed project is expected to cost over $5.5 billion, its completion is scheduled for 2018, before the end of Joko’s term as president, apparently reflecting China’s aim of meeting the Joko administration’s desire for visible achievements.

While some local government leaders including the governor of West Java support the Shinkansen project, Rini Soemarno, minister of state-owned enterprises and a close aide to Joko, is said to support the Chinese plan.

Japan, China in final stage of Indonesia train bid - The Japan News

Whoever wins no hard feeling.

 

[Magi Brahmin]

Hahahaha arigado gozaimasu, Chinese.

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ha ha we finally have one samurai

ha ha theses chinese, they have to make fun of india which is 20 years behind of China because they can't even one contract against japanese.