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KUALA LUMPUR - In this Muslim-majority country, it's OK to be Christian, Buddhist or Hindu. But not Shiite.

Malaysian religious police raided a three-story shop-house last month and detained more than 100 Shiites who had gathered to mark the death of one of their most beloved saints, Prophet Muhammad's grandson, who was killed in the year 680.

It was one of the largest such sweeps in years, sparking outrage and fear in the country's small but growing Shiite community. Some religious scholars see it as a worrying sign that Islamic authorities are becoming more hard-line.

"Malaysia is trying to become a country a la Taliban that only allows one school of thought," said prominent scholar Asri Zainul Abidin.

Despite its reputation for religious tolerance, Malaysia has been quietly discriminating against its own for years. The government recognizes only the Sunni branch of Islam and prohibits all others including Shiites, the world's second largest Islamic group.

Shiites face discrimination elsewhere, but Malaysia appears to be the only place that actually outlaws them.

"We are the oppressed people," said Kamil Zuhairi Abdul Aziz, the Iranian-trained religious leader for the Lovers of the Prophet's Household, the Shiite group raided by the religious police on Dec. 15.

The event they were commemorating, the death of Prophet Muhammad's grandson in the seventh century, helped seal the split between the majority Sunnis and the Shiites, whose strongest base today is in Iran.

Kamil estimates there are at least 40,000 Shiites among Malaysia's 16 million Muslims, though the number could be higher as many conceal their faith to avoid trouble. A few have been detained in the past, and some sent to faith rehabilitation centers, but there is no official data on the number of arrests.

Malaysia's ban was issued in 1996 by the National Fatwa Council of top Islamic clerics and seen as unusual in the Muslim world. The council comes under the government's Islamic Advancement Department, so its decrees are de facto law.

The 3 million Shiites in neighboring Indonesia are able to practice freely, though they are often harassed on hard-line Sunni websites. In Bahrain, the government cracks down on Shiite activists, fearing they could be a backdoor for Iranian influence.

Sunni extremists have bombed Shiite gatherings in Pakistan, and much of the violence in Iraq has been between Sunni and Shiite militias as the two sides vie for power.

It's not clear what prompted the recent raid in Malaysia, but Islamic officials defend the ban as crucial to prevent unrest among Muslims.

"Shia is an Iranian sect," said leading cleric Harussani Zakaria, a member of the National Fatwa Council. "It has expanded secretly and now has many supporters who are starting to practice their faith in public. We don't want any religious differences. They are a threat to Muslim unity in Malaysia."

In defense of the raid, several Islamic officials said Shiism could give rise to fanatics as it permits the killing of Muslims from other sects, a claim denied by the Iranian embassy and Shiites here. Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein, responding to reporters, said that Shiites don't pose a threat to national security.

The Iranian embassy issued a statement urging the government to prevent the spread of such false information. "Currently, there are about 400 million followers of the radiant path ... in the world and such baseless statements are utter disrespect to all of them," the statement read in part.

Some Malaysian Shiite families have practiced for generations while many others were exposed and subsequently converted to Shiism after the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Many meet in one of 40 "hauzars," or "houses of knowledge." The one that Kamil leads, the most prominent and largest with 500 members, is on the top floor of a shop-house in a suburb of the city of Kuala Lumpur.

On Dec. 15, religious police arrived in trucks and detained about 125 people, including some 30 foreigners, mostly from Pakistan. Most were released on bail and given hearing dates at the Shariah court, which adjudicates religious cases.

Officials have said the foreigners are expected to be let off, but the Malaysians could be charged with following the teachings of a deviant movement, which carries a penalty of up to two years in prison.

Kamil has been charged with insulting Islamic officials, with his hearing set for Feb. 17.

His group has turned to the government-backed Human Rights Commission of Malaysia to demand the right to worship freely .

Mastura Ahmad, a 46-year-old homemaker among those detained, said she became a follower after marrying her Shiite husband, whose ancestors are from Indonesia.

"I feel comfortable with Shia. There is more guidance given and I feel safer. But I don't declare my faith openly because people don't understand. My neighbors will gossip about it and label us as deviants and we may be ostracized," she said.

Followers still gather at Kamil's hauzar, but iron grills have been installed at the entrance, in part because of concerns that drugs or explosives could be planted in the center to undermine the group.

Some 100 followers filed in for prayers on the first Tuesday of the new year. A wall mural depicting Noah's Ark greeted them as they entered a long carpeted hall draped with banners in Arabic and separated into sections for men and women.

During the one-hour session, Kamil led prayers over a loudspeaker. Then, poems were read to continue the mourning for the grandson of Prophet Muhammad.

"Here in Malaysia, they cannot accept the differences," Rashid Ahmad, a 46-year-old follower, said before the service. "There has been a campaign of demonizing us by the religious authorities. They are jealous of our influence. In the whole world, Shia is awakening."

He requested not to be photographed to protect his identity as his child is receiving a government scholarship, and he fears it could be withdrawn.

In otherwise tolerant Malaysia, Shiites are banned , Malaysia General News - Maktoob News
 
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A welcome step from Malaysia to prevent deviations from fundamental principles of Islam. Also this deviant sects are distorting the real teachings of Islam which is the religion for the humanity as there will be no more Prophet to come to guide them.
 
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Sounds alarming , especially in a tolerant nation like Malaysia.
 
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Sounds alarming , especially in a tolerant nation like Malaysia.

Malaysia is not a tolerant nation. Atleast it's laws aren't. People are a different matter

Read this

Malaysian and Pakistani theocracies

Malaysia is often quoted as a model by some members of our urban middle class, which is impressed with the glitter of that country but are completely ignorant of its constitution and laws. In my view, in so far as constitutions go, the Malaysian constitution is the worst and the least free amongst all the states that emerged from a British colonial system. It is also the most oppressive legal system when it comes to the rights of Muslims. To start with, only the Shafi brand of Sunni Islam is recognised as Islam in Malaysia. Minority sects, especially the Shia Muslims, are persecuted and driven underground. Shia Islam is banned by law and only recently a group of Shia mourners were rounded up by the police for practising their faith. Malaysia is as theocratic as a theocracy can be. However, to Malaysia’s credit, the Indian and Chinese ethnic populations as well as the apostates who decide to leave Islam are allowed to live their lives freely (though Malays who choose to convert out of the faith lose their constitutional privileges).

In contrast, Pakistan’s constitution promises religious freedom and equality of citizenship. Each sect of Islam, barring the Ahmedis who have been excommunicated by the notorious Second Amendment, can practise Islam in their own way. In principle, under Pakistani law, the Ahmediyya sect has not been banned, unlike Malaysia, but given the status of a separate faith with freedom of religion accorded to its members like any other citizen of Pakistan, though our Kharijites — being the hypocrites they are — have enacted blatantly unconstitutional laws that infringe on the Ahmedis’ right to worship freely. Pakistan, with the second largest Shia population in the world, cannot logically ban the Shia sect, though many groups have asked for precisely that.

Of course the fact that Pakistan’s founding father, whose birthday thankfully falls on Christmas Day thereby allowing our Christian minority to get a day off as well, was a Khoja Shia Mohammaden according to an affidavit signed by Fatima Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan and Pakistan’s current president is a Shia Muslim are additional reasons for Pakistan not to ban Shias altogether. Incidentally, Jinnah had in May 1944 in Srinagar declared in no uncertain terms that anyone who professes to be a Muslim is a Muslim and no one had the right to say otherwise. Quite ironically, Jinnah was responding to a question posed by some religious fanatic regarding the Ahmedis. There will, however, come a time when no one will dare to mention these facts about the founding father of Pakistan. The right-wing judiciary of Pakistan has already laid the foundation of the Sunnification of Mr Jinnah by declaring in the 1980s that he was a mainstream Muslim. If Shia ulema do not take a stance alongside the liberals and progressives of Pakistan on issues such as blasphemy and other laws, they might be next in line after the Ahmedis and soon-to-be-kafir Ismailis. It is no surprise that Jamaat-e-Islami and other right-wing forces love to quote Mahatir Muhammad and Malaysia as an example to follow. Malaysia has all the elements that a fascist with a Maududist bent of mind would want in a country.

Even though the 1973 Constitution was a poorly thought out document that had strong theocratic moorings mixed with outright plagiarism of the British Government of India Act 1935 and the Indian constitution of 1950, Pakistan was not a theocratic state till the military dictator General Ziaul Haq decided to institute a Federal Shariat Court with the arbitrary and irrational power of determining what was Islamic or what was not, thereby limiting the power of the people’s representatives to legislate constitutionally. Before 1980, the question of what was repugnant to Islam and what was not was left to parliament, with the Council of Islamic Ideology advising them and guiding them but not binding them. After 1980, this power was vested in a court — formulated and filled with nominees of a crazed Islamist dictator, supported by the US and Jamaat-e-Islami in the jihad against godless Soviet Union — and who since then have managed to maintain the hegemony of the literalist Kharijite mullahs and Maududists in the said court. The same court recently de-criminalised rape in Pakistan for all practical purposes amidst applause from every mullah in the country. Shame really on the mullahs. They uphold the laws of Islamist dictator General Zia because it allows women to be raped without recourse but denounce laws by the relatively secular dictator General Ayub because those laws ban the age old practice of hallala, which mullahs have long misused for the legal gratification of their own unholy sexual desires.

The Malaysian theocracy cannot be compared to our theocracy because Malaysian theocracy, fascist and bigoted as it is, has a method to its madness. Our theocracy is run at the whim and desire of the mullah who misleads a semi-literate brainwashed population. In Malaysia, non-Muslims at least live somewhat freely and an element of choice exists. In Pakistan, despite being constitutionally more liberal in terms of fundamental rights, there is no choice and no escape largely because Pakistan’s secular elite is too cowardly and too self-absorbed to take on the mullah for the greater good of the country. Unless Mr Zardari, Mr Gilani and the Pakistani establishment realise just how damaging the effects of our double speak and hypocrisy are to Pakistani society, there is no choice. The more likely scenario is that Mr Zardari will go down the route of his illustrious father-in-law, making all the compromises with the mullahs. If only the PPP and its leadership were capable of learning from history. With the likes of Babar Awan — that self professed eagle who has vowed never to allow amendments to the blasphemy laws — to misguide the party, the whole situation is hopeless and beyond redemption.
 
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Obsession leads to destruction, and the real enemy is Laughing Out Loud.
The end result is We would be the losers, in every field when you bring-in division you are bound to have worst output.
 
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Sounds alarming , especially in a tolerant nation like Malaysia.

Not really, the rift-lines were very well set up with the "Bumiputra" campaign. That took care of the people of Chinese and Tamil origin.
Now this; the fault-lines are getting deeper and wider.
 
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look's like Talibanism is now becoming a 6th part of islam,
forcing a opinion and understanding of Islam on other who have deferent view and understanding of Islam will led in futuer to dectaership and miss use of force in the name of religon, this all come's from the saudi arabia shcool of islam(the hard linner-wahabi's in other ward's Al Qaida way of thinking about Islam ) ,
which is not the view of the majority of Sunni Muslim's.
 
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By AP
KUALA LUMPUR - In this Muslim-majority country, it's OK to be Christian, Buddhist or Hindu. But not Shiite.

Malaysian religious police raided a three-story shop-house last month and detained more than 100 Shiites who had gathered to mark the death of one of their most beloved saints, Prophet Muhammad's grandson, who was killed in the year 680.

It was one of the largest such sweeps in years, sparking outrage and fear in the country's small but growing Shiite community. Some religious scholars see it as a worrying sign that Islamic authorities are becoming more hard-line.

"Malaysia is trying to become a country a la Taliban that only allows one school of thought," said prominent scholar Asri Zainul Abidin.

Despite its reputation for religious tolerance, Malaysia has been quietly discriminating against its own for years. The government recognizes only the Sunni branch of Islam and prohibits all others including Shiites, the world's second largest Islamic group.

Shiites face discrimination elsewhere, but Malaysia appears to be the only place that actually outlaws them.

"We are the oppressed people," said Kamil Zuhairi Abdul Aziz, the Iranian-trained religious leader for the Lovers of the Prophet's Household, the Shiite group raided by the religious police on Dec. 15.

The event they were commemorating, the death of Prophet Muhammad's grandson in the seventh century, helped seal the split between the majority Sunnis and the Shiites, whose strongest base today is in Iran.

Kamil estimates there are at least 40,000 Shiites among Malaysia's 16 million Muslims, though the number could be higher as many conceal their faith to avoid trouble. A few have been detained in the past, and some sent to faith rehabilitation centers, but there is no official data on the number of arrests.

Malaysia's ban was issued in 1996 by the National Fatwa Council of top Islamic clerics and seen as unusual in the Muslim world. The council comes under the government's Islamic Advancement Department, so its decrees are de facto law.

The 3 million Shiites in neighboring Indonesia are able to practice freely, though they are often harassed on hard-line Sunni websites. In Bahrain, the government cracks down on Shiite activists, fearing they could be a backdoor for Iranian influence.

Sunni extremists have bombed Shiite gatherings in Pakistan, and much of the violence in Iraq has been between Sunni and Shiite militias as the two sides vie for power.

It's not clear what prompted the recent raid in Malaysia, but Islamic officials defend the ban as crucial to prevent unrest among Muslims.

"Shia is an Iranian sect," said leading cleric Harussani Zakaria, a member of the National Fatwa Council. "It has expanded secretly and now has many supporters who are starting to practice their faith in public. We don't want any religious differences. They are a threat to Muslim unity in Malaysia."

In defense of the raid, several Islamic officials said Shiism could give rise to fanatics as it permits the killing of Muslims from other sects, a claim denied by the Iranian embassy and Shiites here. Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein, responding to reporters, said that Shiites don't pose a threat to national security.

The Iranian embassy issued a statement urging the government to prevent the spread of such false information. "Currently, there are about 400 million followers of the radiant path ... in the world and such baseless statements are utter disrespect to all of them," the statement read in part.

Some Malaysian Shiite families have practiced for generations while many others were exposed and subsequently converted to Shiism after the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Many meet in one of 40 "hauzars," or "houses of knowledge." The one that Kamil leads, the most prominent and largest with 500 members, is on the top floor of a shop-house in a suburb of the city of Kuala Lumpur.

On Dec. 15, religious police arrived in trucks and detained about 125 people, including some 30 foreigners, mostly from Pakistan. Most were released on bail and given hearing dates at the Shariah court, which adjudicates religious cases.

Officials have said the foreigners are expected to be let off, but the Malaysians could be charged with following the teachings of a deviant movement, which carries a penalty of up to two years in prison.

Kamil has been charged with insulting Islamic officials, with his hearing set for Feb. 17.

His group has turned to the government-backed Human Rights Commission of Malaysia to demand the right to worship freely .

Mastura Ahmad, a 46-year-old homemaker among those detained, said she became a follower after marrying her Shiite husband, whose ancestors are from Indonesia.

"I feel comfortable with Shia. There is more guidance given and I feel safer. But I don't declare my faith openly because people don't understand. My neighbors will gossip about it and label us as deviants and we may be ostracized," she said.

Followers still gather at Kamil's hauzar, but iron grills have been installed at the entrance, in part because of concerns that drugs or explosives could be planted in the center to undermine the group.

Some 100 followers filed in for prayers on the first Tuesday of the new year. A wall mural depicting Noah's Ark greeted them as they entered a long carpeted hall draped with banners in Arabic and separated into sections for men and women.

During the one-hour session, Kamil led prayers over a loudspeaker. Then, poems were read to continue the mourning for the grandson of Prophet Muhammad.

"Here in Malaysia, they cannot accept the differences," Rashid Ahmad, a 46-year-old follower, said before the service. "There has been a campaign of demonizing us by the religious authorities. They are jealous of our influence. In the whole world, Shia is awakening."

He requested not to be photographed to protect his identity as his child is receiving a government scholarship, and he fears it could be withdrawn.

In otherwise tolerant Malaysia, Shiites are banned , Malaysia General News - Maktoob News

assalam alaikum

The clericks r right about the first bolded part and it is written in shia books.

And the iranians lie about the shia population they will not come to maybe 200 millions but they always say 400 millions lol. Who's gonna believe them

To be shia is a crime in Jordan too for the jordanians, if i m not wrong

TARIQ
 
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A welcome step from Malaysia to prevent deviations from fundamental principles of Islam. Also this deviant sects are distorting the real teachings of Islam which is the religion for the humanity as there will be no more Prophet to come to guide them.

Not good , infact very stupid step by Malay's ,. They shouldnt have intervened in sect business ... its a tiny minority stopping any one by force doesnt work and not now but Malays will see the aftermath in 10-15years time. Also who gave you the authority to declare sects other than yours deviant ,if these are your personal opionion than find Islamic forum where you will get a good whoping and enlightning reply
 
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here we go Indians jumping in bringing Pakistan in

anyway if Hindus are allowed then i dont think so Malaysia is exercising any such thing seems some people are just on a spree to demonise Malaysia.
 
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Capt.Popeye said:
Not really, the rift-lines were very well set up with the "Bumiputra" campaign.

:tup:

Malays are very racist.

Singapore was actually part of the Malaysian Union, but then Malays put discriminatory policies and declared themselves 'bumiputra' (yes Bhumiputra in Hindi/Sanskrit). Singapore in Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore then gave them the finger and broke off. Today they're way more successful/prosperous than the Malays
 
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It's their country, it's their law and the law is to serve the interest of the country and their people's integrity. By banning Shiites in their country is their internal matter and they know better than us why this law has been imposed. Why we have a habit of poking our nose in someone else's affairs? They are still the economic power house - who gives a damn about religious sects anyway if the Govt provides incentives and serious about the welfare it's people.
 
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Malaysia is simply being protective of the Islamic and Muslim identity and I recommend other seriously Islamic countries also take similar measures. Islam has been bent and twisted enough now its time to stick to purity and throw away fitnah!
 
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Just like Ahmadies, General Zia was also planning to do the same to Shiite in Pakistan.
 
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