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In Kashmir, Pakistan Questions India’s ‘Surgical Strikes’ on Militants ( NewYork Times)

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Pakistani villagers on the roof of their house in the village of Baghsar, near the Line of Control that divides Kashmir between Pakistan and India. Credit Anjum Naveed/Associated Press

MANDHOLE, Kashmir — The sound of gunfire awoke Malik Rustam and his family around 4 a.m. on Thursday. Within minutes, they headed for cover in a community bunker, as residents here in the Pakistani-controlled portion of Kashmir have been trained to do.

Cross-border fire between Pakistani and Indian troops is nothing new, but on Thursday, the Indian military claimed it had carried out “surgical strikes” against four camps, including one near Mandhole, used by militants intent on attacking the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir.

The village of Mandhole is along the banks of the Poonch River, just across the Line of Control, the de facto border between Pakistan and India in the disputed Kashmir region, which both sides claim in its entirety. Indian military posts within 500 yards are visible.

On Saturday, Mr. Rustam, 22, pointed in that direction and said the Indian troops never left their posts. “They are lying,” he said. “They never crossed the L.O.C.” A group of villagers standing nearby nodded in agreement.

As the latest escalation between India and Pakistan threatened to break the fragile peace between the estranged, nuclear-armed neighbors, residents in Mandhole seemed unusually calm.

Schools have remained open. Grocery stores were serving customers, and buses moved slowly on patchy, winding roads along the hilly terrain. As the afternoon sun sank behind the hills, several women could be seen working in the fields, cutting grass and herding cattle.

Pakistan seemed eager to play down any tensions in the area. Mr. Rustam and his fellow villagers had gathered on Saturday to talk to a group of journalists who were ferried in by Pakistani military helicopters to the Bhimber District of the Pakistani-controlled part of Kashmir, about 100 miles from Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital.

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Pakistani children gathered on Saturday at their school in Kashmir to watch an army helicopter land. Credit Anjum Naveed/Associated Press

But on the other side of the Line of Control, in the village of Silikote, Raja Nazir, 37, a shopkeeper, said Saturday that residents were still uneasy.

“There is fear in the air, and villagers are on their toes fearing a retaliation by Pakistan after the strikes,” Mr. Nazir said. His village is near the Indian Army base where militants killed at least 17 soldiers last month.

“Those who shout on TV for war should come and live here with their children,” he added. “Then they will understand the cost of war.”

Farooq Abdullah, a former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir State, appealed to both sides to avoid escalating the conflict. “We hope cooler heads will prevail and the cease-fire of 2003 will be upheld,” Mr. Abdullah said.

Earlier Saturday, Pakistani military officers, including Lt. Gen. Asim Saleem Bajwa, the Pakistan Army spokesman, gave a briefing in Baghsar, a picturesque, hilly village about 60 miles from Mandhole. Pakistani officials said Thursday that the weapons fire had killed two soldiers and wounded nine. General Bajwa reiterated Pakistan’s claims that Indian troops had fired only small arms and mortars at Pakistani military posts.

Indian troops opened fire at 2 a.m. on Thursday at five locations over an area spanning 155 miles, he said. The gunfire lasted about five hours, but the Indian troops never crossed the Line of Control, and Pakistani troops returned fire.

India said that it had destroyed bases from which militants carried out attacks in the part of Kashmir it controls, and that it had inflicted heavy casualties on the militants. General Bajwa rejected those claims.

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Indian Border Security Force soldiers patrol near the India-Pakistan international border area at Gakhrial boder post in Akhnoor sector, about 48 kilometers from Jammu, India. Credit Channi Anand/Associated Press

“Where did all the dead bodies go?” he asked. “Where were the funerals? Why haven’t the Indians produced any dead bodies if they took them back?”

“Where is the damage?” General Bajwa said of India’s claims of “surgical strikes,” adding that he welcomed an independent inquiry. “Our side is open to the United Nations observers and journalists.”

He pointed toward the Samahni Valley, behind the command post briefing area, and said there had been no civilian casualties or damage to civilian property. At least 100,000 people live in the valley, he said, where small clusters of houses are interspersed with agricultural tracts of land.

Maj. Gen. Muhammad Chiragh Haider, the commander of the 23rd Infantry Division of the Pakistan Army, joined General Bajwa in the briefing.

General Haider has been posted in Kashmir for the past two years and is a battle-hardened commander, having served in the North Waziristan tribal region.

He expressed surprise at India’s claims. “We are observing the cease-fire agreement in a very serious manner,” he said. “We only respond if India opens fire.”

General Haider said the claims were “totally incomprehensible,” adding, “A surgical strike took place against us, and we were not even aware of it?”

Brig. Furqan Moazzam, a brigade commander, echoed his fellow officers when asked how residents were coping with the aftermath of the border clashes. “The valley is right in front of you,” he said, pointing to the vast area. “Life is going on normally.”
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What Pakistan thinks is most unimportant. the message India has sent is that we are in an escalatory mood and unless Pakistan's cross border activities are curbed, war with possible nuclear events, cannot be ruled out. It is inconceivable that the entire surgical strike event was done without consent of the USA, possibly even with the approval of the Pakistani PM. The Pak army and its control over nuclear arsenal should come under increasing controls now.
 
What Pakistan thinks is most unimportant. the message India has sent is that we are in an escalatory mood and unless Pakistan's cross border activities are curbed, war with possible nuclear events, cannot be ruled out. It is inconceivable that the entire surgical strike event was done without consent of the USA, possibly even with the approval of the Pakistani PM. The Pak army and its control over nuclear arsenal should come under increasing controls now.
Pakistan is smart because on both side of border Muslims and Pakistani live. Attacking Indian occupied army can cause collateral damage . And Pakistan will not do such action which can harm Kashmiri people.
 
What Pakistan thinks is most unimportant. the message India has sent is that we are in an escalatory mood and unless Pakistan's cross border activities are curbed, war with possible nuclear events, cannot be ruled out. It is inconceivable that the entire surgical strike event was done without consent of the USA, possibly even with the approval of the Pakistani PM. The Pak army and its control over nuclear arsenal should come under increasing controls now.


Actually you are wrong. What Pakistan thinks is important. We think that India can only make false claims, they do not have any courage to try any misadventure. So, we will continue doing what we think is the right thing!!

You are more than welcome to keep spreading propaganda, which is your sole strength.
 
Actually you are wrong. What Pakistan thinks is important. We think that India can only make false claims, they do not have any courage to try any misadventure. So, we will continue doing what we think is the right thing!!

You are more than welcome to keep spreading propaganda, which is your sole strength.
You are not a free agent. Your actions will be constrained by what the world thinks of the India - Pakistan equation at the moment. Look forward to a discontinuation of your army chief, strengthening of you PM vis a vis the military and a tightening control on your nukes by the USA. Pakistan is too puny and dangerous to be allowed to have an independent policy.
 
Pakistan is smart because on both side of border Muslims and Pakistani live. Attacking Indian occupied army can cause collateral damage . And Pakistan will not do such action which can harm Kashmiri people.
Wow!! So much affection and love for kashmiri?! Then why you attacked Kashmir's in 1965 and 1999. ?? Don't make excuses . Kashmir's don't need your fake love.
 
Wow!! So much affection and love for kashmiri?! Then why you attacked Kashmir's in 1965 and 1999. ?? Don't make excuses . Kashmir's don't need your fake love.
It was not population , it was supply lines route. but so where this Sir G kal strike happened....
 
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You are not a free agent. Your actions will be constrained by what the world thinks of the India - Pakistan equation at the moment. Look forward to a discontinuation of your army chief, strengthening of you PM vis a vis the military and a tightening control on your nukes by the USA. Pakistan is too puny and dangerous to be allowed to have an independent policy.
You need not worry about nukes as every country except India has shown confidence in the security of Pakistan nukes and no one can control our nukes. Secondly not a single country nor UN has confirmed the strikes except the Indians and world knows how true they are when they claim anything.
 
This issue is resolved now. Its proven there were no surgical strikes and pu$$y Indian government and pu$$y Indian generals lied to their people, to earn some shred of respect.

Time is running against India, today they are naked before P5 + 25 countries of the world who they approached themselves. And Indian people who have ability to think and question would be depressed.
 
It was not population , it was supply lines . but so where this Sir G kal strike happened....
You need not worry about nukes as every country except India has shown confidence in the security of Pakistan nukes and no one can control our nukes. Secondly not a single country nor UN has confirmed the strikes except the Indians and world knows how true they are when they claim anything.
This issue is resolved now. Its proven there were no surgical strikes and pu$$y Indian government and pu$$y Indian generals lied to their people, to earn some shred of respect.

Time is running against India, today they are naked before P5 + 25 countries of the world who they approached themselves. And Indian people who have ability to think and question would be depressed.

What time is running out? Rhetoric wont get you anywhere. Pakistan has been deeply humiliated and found wanting in responding.
 
What Pakistan thinks is most unimportant. the message India has sent is that we are in an escalatory mood and unless Pakistan's cross border activities are curbed, war with possible nuclear events, cannot be ruled out. It is inconceivable that the entire surgical strike event was done without consent of the USA, possibly even with the approval of the Pakistani PM. The Pak army and its control over nuclear arsenal should come under increasing controls now.
pakistan nuclear arsenal is already under excellent control.
nuclear war will devasting for both countries and termination for hindus and sikhs. only 50 nukes are enough to destroy both countries completely and make whole region human free for next few centuries.
 
pakistan nuclear arsenal is already under excellent control.
nuclear war will devasting for both countries and termination for hindus and sikhs. only 50 nukes are enough to destroy both countries completely and make whole region human free for next few centuries.

Hindus will survive, but Pakistan will be totally annihilated. The reason why pakistan failed to respond even after her integrity has been violated. Such fear !
 
Hindus will survive, but Pakistan will be totally annihilated. The reason why pakistan failed to respond even after her integrity has been violated. Such fear !
how are you planning to survive 50+ nuclear bombs and how do you plan to survive extreme winds,heat and radiations for few months.
secondly no hindu will survive. if you nuke pakistan, muslims across the globe won't leave any of you alive. when you hurts a body the whole body feels it. and would remove the disease collectively.
 
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