Imran promises to constitutionally ban military operations inside Pakistan

[darkinsky]

well even india is using military in many areas for counter insergancy . if imran is so serious then he should fix police and make a special police for such operations otherwise we all know what police is .they can't clean liyari simply let alone wazeerstan

beta jaab police kerne peh aate he na tb sab kerjaate he, baas uper waale kerne nahi dete kaam

Our police are best in the World

 

[A.Rafay]

Heres a thread i posted its all about political intervention in police and politicians are threatening police if they dont do what politicians say!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/216994-obey-us-face-music.html

 

[Pakistanisage]

If he ever becomes Head of State, he will have to wise up. It does not matter whether it is military or some other agency, somebody would have to enforce law and order inside Pakistan.


With Talimorons you will need a competent law enforcement agency which is better trained then the Fat and Obese Policemen of Pakistan. Good Luck Imran Khan....

 

[VCheng]

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Theres a great quote from Battlestar Galactica:

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

Does Pakistan fit that description, Asim?

 

[batmannow]

IK can become so funny I never had thought about it!
When talibans are cutting throots of our soilders & battling with our SSG groups , check the training & heavey weaponry of the enemy forces I don't think any police force can counter them?
When england was facing IRA they also used their army & their special forces in. N Ireland or not?
Imran is to sacared from talibans & he don't want to be called a jewish sponsored agent!

 

[KS]

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

That is wrong and misleading. What about TTP and Maoists on both sides of the border. They are 'our' people only. But then they are also the enemies of the state.

Imran is treading a dangerous line here.

 

[SQ8]

IK's statement are getting confusing...and rather black and white.
He was better off saying that he will focus on making sure a military operation never occurs again.. or political solutions will be first sought out.

Right now.. he may send the wrong message to his supporters both in the establishment and aboard.

 

[darkinsky]

That is wrong and misleading. What about TTP and Maoists on both sides of the border. They are 'our' people only. But then they are also the enemies of the state.

Imran is treading a dangerous line here.

well tell that to the lashmiris or mioists if they have become tired of the army operations in your country?

 

[SQ8]

well tell that to the lashmiris or mioists if they have become tired of the army operations in your country?

That is interesting paralell..
If the civil police and paramilitary forces can handle these elements..then perhaps such a clause can be put into law.
However, the current constitution(if followed to the letter T and with actual democratic control) does not allow the army to launch an operation on its own..
Perhaps a section of the Army can be broken off into a quasi civil force specifically meant to deal with terrorists..
and put under civilian control??(I agree.. we have something like that called the FC..but they are still much less professional and equipped)
Although it will still remain a paper assignment, as these units may need integration back into the system once and if the operations are succesfull and the threat dies down to the level where it can be completely controlled by the levies and FC.

 

[darkinsky]

army is always too well trained for the liking of general populance, they are trained for death and destruction, trained under harshest of conditions under rolling tanks, hovering missiles wild environment and always at the mercy of the nature, if the same intensity is brought to the cities and among general populance, they dont differentiate whats good and whats bad, for them every thing is a potential threat and every body a potential enemy, this is their nature,

lets think about for the second the same mentality in brought in our own city, its a recipe for disaster coupled with paranoid army general, maximum disaster

 

[VCheng]

IK's statement are getting confusing...and rather black and white.
He was better off saying that he will focus on making sure a military operation never occurs again.. or political solutions will be first sought out.

Right now.. he may send the wrong message to his supporters both in the establishment and aboard.

I think it is a sign that his party is struggling to gain traction in the political arena. He is trying to see what will work to give him that push.

 

[airmarshal]

What is police doing right now?
After all the budget of interior ministry is as big as defence ministry.

Police needs to be freed from clutches of politicians. Only then it will act the way police force should. So far, police is used by feudal minded politicians as their private force. As an example, just compare Motorway Police with local police and you will know I m trying to say.

 

[darkinsky]

That is interesting paralell..
If the civil police and paramilitary forces can handle these elements..then perhaps such a clause can be put into law.
However, the current constitution(if followed to the letter T and with actual democratic control) does not allow the army to launch an operation on its own..
Perhaps a section of the Army can be broken off into a quasi civil force specifically meant to deal with terrorists..
and put under civilian control??(I agree.. we have something like that called the FC..but they are still much less professional and equipped)
Although it will still remain a paper assignment, as these units may need integration back into the system once and if the operations are succesfull and the threat dies down to the level where it can be completely controlled by the levies and FC.

army itself can provide some useful hard training to the police jawan, that will be a solution..

an army person grows up in a harsh environment, a police personnel isnt, he grows up to see the street life, the police jawan knows how to mingle among general populance, the army jawan will never know how to tackle threat mingling with local populance

we can establish FBI type organisation who can deal with a bigger threat something which local police wont be enough for example the drug mafia threat, the gangs threat or liyari type threat

 

[Mercenary]

Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan has vowed to bring in constitutional amendments to prevent military operations against countrymen in any parts of the country. He reaffirmed his commitment not to support military operation anywhere in the country including North Waziristan.
In a TV interview, the PTI chief said that military operations instead of resolving the problems increase them. He said PTI was the only opponent of military operations and would not allow the army to kill its own people.
The PTI chief said that he was not fighting to rule but to save the country. He challenged his political opponents to prove that he got financial assistance or other support from intelligence institutions. He said if it was proved that he had contacts with the intelligence agencies, he would leave politics.
On the other hand, Imran claimed that PML-N was formed by the ISI and Sharif brothers have been exposed in the Asghar Khan case.
He said that neither PPP nor the PML-N can defeat PTI in the forthcoming general elections and made a firm commitment to the people that plunderers and corrupt people would not be awarded party tickets. He said PTI would defeat the corrupt politicians and made it clear that the party would award tickets through parliamentary board and he would have no personal influence in it.
Imran Khan said his party was firm in its ideology and would not enter into alliance with any party for the formation of government. He promised to bring a change after coming to power. He promised to introduce a local government system that would rid the people of Thana culture and corruption.
The PTI chief accused the government and its allies for providing protection to criminals in Karachi and that was the reason that peace cannot be restored in the mega city.

Imran promises to constitutionally ban military operations inside Pakistan | The Nation

The problem is that Police Force is inherently corrupt and can be easily bought off and lack the firepower, skill set, equipment and training to take on the groups such as the Taliban, BLA, MQM, and all the other terrorists that operate in Pakistan.

US has this law. The difference is that US has its well trained and equipped Police Force, SWAT, FBI, US Marshals, DEA, ATF, Secret Service, etc. to deal with any problems.

Pakistan has no such luxury.

This is yet another example of Imran Khan totally being disconnected from reality.

 

[darkinsky]

Police needs to be freed from clutches of politicians. Only then it will act the way police force should. So far, police is used by feudal minded politicians as their private force. As an example, just compare Motorway Police with local police and you will know I m trying to say.

how do you free a police from the clutches of politicans or even say local feudal lords, attack the department with the local government, and general populance will decide which person is better for them to provide security to them, the fat ugly constable or the young educated smart constable