Imran Khan unacceptable

[Thinker3]

Youthiyas in their worship of Khan even make up their own conspiracy theories, you are like the Indian bhakts

Who was negotiating with TTP? Who had the authority to release TTP? Who allowed TTP to return? It was PA.

 

[TheSolution]

Who was negotiating with TTP? Who had the authority to release TTP? Who allowed TTP to return? It was PA.

Youthiyas will scream about the army but ignore IK's role in it, stop worshipping the man like munafiqs and stop acting like Patwaris

He was the one pushing the army into this solution for the TTP and was not against it at all

PA and IK are both to blame

 

[Thinker3]

Youthiyas will scream about the army but ignore IK's role in it, stop worshipping the man like munafiqs and stop acting like Patwaris

He was the one pushing the army into this solution for the TTP and was not against it at all

PA and IK are both to blame

He was pushing army to bring peace by negotiations but instead they brought chaos by ill negotiation and ill will, what else can be the motive of those generals other then to bring chaos by allowing TTP to comeback with guns?

Every conflict is resolved by negotiation in the end, but there are good negotiation and bad ones and PA did bad one which is the problem, negotiation itself is not the issue.

An ideal negotiation would be peace deal, immediate cease of hostilities and TTP to remain in Afghanistan, where neither PA to attack them nor them to attack Pakistan. And then in coming years confidence building and Afghan Taliban to be the guarantor.

 

[TheSolution]

He was pushing army to bring peace by negotiations but instead they brought chaos by ill negotiation and ill will, what else can be the motive of those generals other then to bring chaos by allowing TTP to comeback with guns?

Every conflict is resolved by negotiation in the end, but there are good negotiation and bad ones and PA did bad one which is the problem, negotiation itself is not the issue.

An ideal negotiation would be peace deal, immediate cease of hostilities and TTP to remain in Afghanistan, where neither PA to attack them nor them to attack Pakistan. And then in coming years confidence building and Afghan Taliban to be the guarantor.

Stop worshipping Imran Khan and blaming everything on the army alone, you sound like a munafiq Patwari

This is why youthiyas deserve no respect, just like Patwaris

You cannot accept criticism of your false God He was the one pushing for the opposite of your "ideal solution" and suggesting idiotic security policies

Go watch the interview with General Tariq Khan

 

[Olympus81]

I don’t think the US will give a blanket statement of this nature. They know next elections IK will be the clear winner and it would be wiser to work with IK and the establishment.

The US understands the situation on the ground. With establishment reputation taking a huge hit, they are not the only stakeholders. Also take into consideration that IK has been avoiding taking US name in his speeches and interviews.

Sure the US would like cucks on the ground (politician and generals for hire) but the American policy is a pragmatic one.

 

[FuturePAF]

Stop worshipping Imran Khan and blaming everything on the army alone, you sound like a munafiq Patwari

This is why youthiyas deserve no respect, just like Patwaris

You cannot accept criticism of your false God He was the one pushing for the opposite of your "ideal solution" and suggesting idiotic security policies

Go watch the interview with General Tariq Khan

Hopefully IK too has reflected on his performance. He should accept his short comings of judgement, especially with regards to the TTP, and hire better advisors while he’s out of power to retool his ideas.

Maybe IK should have a meeting with General Tariq Khan to get a better understanding of how things are perceived in tribal areas, because even if IK is a Pashtun he has more in common with his fellow Lahoris then those along the border. Gen. Tariq Khan can also brief him on the agricultural sector, considering his experience on Fertilzers.

IK honestly and unwillingness to be corrupt indeed elevates him in a class above most other politicians, which says more about Pakistan’s democracy than anything else.

But for all his naïveté, IK who should still have good repore with the Afghans, which is a valuable commodity, need to call in those chips.
In the short term, to entice the Afghans, Pakistan can connect the Afghans to the Pakistani grid. The Afghan were up until recently getting free or heavily subsidized electricity from Uzbekistan. Pakistan can take over that role, and extract concessions or make it part of the benefits of greater cooperation.

He should leverage it to Pakistan’s interests and his own political aspirations of returning to power, especially geo-political and economic, which can show IK has utility not just on the domestic security front, but the international economic front.

He needs to turn himself from unacceptable to indispensable. Appealing to America’s pragmatic desire for access to raw materials as well as greater influence in the region to counter Chinese inroads. The Talibs maybe a pragmatic force the west can work with in exchange for recognition.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619329977601908736

If under a new IK government, Pakistan holds to its adorations for real democracy, all the institutions and democratic safeguards can be strengthened, and it could become a model of a real muslim democracy in the region, with checks and balances. This coupled with a revival of traditional culture could be very beneficial as the non-Russian/Chinese/Iranian countries try to gain influence in Central Asia. Considering Pakistan is historically part of the Persian cultural world, a strong democracy could also be an alternative model to the current regime in Tehran as well. All the more reason, now is the time for negotiations between IK/PTI and the US. There are many interests that the two share, and many red lines of each other both sides need to respect to maintain a healthy relationship (Such as No American troops in Pakistan for IK, and harsh undiplomatic rhetoric way of speaking by IK). IK for his part has made I’m his position clear on domestic corruption, which he should now hand off to the courts if re-elected. On the matter of Kashmir, his position is clear, and needs to tone down the constant rhetoric for more diplomatic methods along with handing off the championing of Kashmir cause to civil society and a grassroots movement. He needs to bud influence in western capitals; hiring lobbyists and building up PTI offices in the US and Europe, to better work with civil society and the diaspora. He needs to build up a left wing of the party to make PTI a “Big tent” party.

In short, he needs to get all segments of the population involved to building the new Pakistan he wants to see, taking the burden off of him, and making the whole process self-sustaining, especially with out any foreign encumbrances, because this issue will have been addressed if not ironed out.

If the US fear’s growing Anti-Americanism, they can slowly help deflate it it by working on a common vision with the most popular democratic figure in Pakistan today. Putting weight behind its “Democracy over autocracy” rhetoric. Isn’t that the kind of middle class foreign policy Biden was talking about. A stable and democratic Pakistan, that is a cornerstone of regional development should be a boost to regional economic development, and could be used by Biden in the 2024 election to gain more Pakistani-American and other South Asian votes (its not just percentage of votes, but voter turnout that decides elections these days in the US). But if IK makes the outreach and is repulsed by Biden, Pakistani-Americans should in mass vote for the republicans (and rally other to vote for the republicans) to show they bound to vote for democrats.

5 years of a new PTI term, building up such a relations will go along way in changing perceptions in both countries. Just look at the U.S.-Japan relationship after WW2. 5-10 years out the relations were strong and 20 years out Japan completely transformed by the 1964 Olympics. Japan became a model democracy for the region, and its people were able to focus on human development.

 

[TheSolution]

Hopefully IK too has reflected on his performance. He should accept his short comings of judgement, especially with regards to the TTP, and hire better advisors while he’s out of power to retool his ideas.

IK honestly and unwillingness to be corrupt indeed up him in a class above most other politicians, which says more about Pakistan’s democracy than anything else.

But for all his naïveté, IK should still have good repor with the Afghans. He should leverage it to Pakistan’s interests, especially geo-political and economic, which can show IK has utility not just on the domestic security front, but the international economic front. He needs to turn himself from unacceptable to indispensable. Appealing to America’s pragmatic desire for access to raw materials as well as greater influence in the region to counter Chinese inroads.

100% agreed.

The thing is IK is not some once in a lifetime revolutionary, he was just the only one who actually cared for Pakistan, whereas the others didn't care about anything, that was and is his singular selling point.

We need more healthy competition in domestic politics, of course IK will be preferred when other options consist of known criminals and theives.

Also IK essentially has created a "brand" of sorts now, he can peddle narratives and reforms that people would hesitate to accept from other leaders - so in this regard in many areas he is very very useful.

 

[FuturePAF]

100% agreed.

The thing is IK is not some once in a lifetime revolutionary, he was just the only one who actually cared for Pakistan, whereas the others didn't care about anything, that was and is his singular selling point.

We need more healthy competition in domestic politics, of course IK will be preferred when other options consist of known criminals and theives.

Also IK essentially has created a "brand" of sorts now, he can peddle narratives and reforms that people would hesitate to accept from other leaders - so in this regard in many areas he is very very useful.

He needs to be a conduit to channel all the hard reforms the country needs at this stage, domestically and internationally, but for the long term we need better politicians across the board to have real healthy competition.

At this stage, IK needs to negotiate directly with the US to reset relations, all else will flow from there.

Sua Sponte

 

[Cash GK]

Stop worshipping Imran Khan and blaming everything on the army alone, you sound like a munafiq Patwari

This is why youthiyas deserve no respect, just like Patwaris

You cannot accept criticism of your false God He was the one pushing for the opposite of your "ideal solution" and suggesting idiotic security policies

Go watch the interview with General Tariq Khan

General tariq khan was xxx when pm asked him to be head of inquiry team for regime change

 

[TheSolution]

General tariq khan was p....sy when pm asked him to be head of inquiry team for regime change

The top comment under the video literally explains what happened, he didn't refuse at first he accepted, but there was no point he said as the new government would have curtailed the investigation and made it useless.

Stop disrespecting people who have done a lot for your country

 

[Cash GK]

The top comment under the video literally explains what happened, he didn't refuse at first he accepted, but there was no point he said as the new government would have curtailed the investigation and made it useless.

Stop disrespecting people who have done a lot for your country

When he was needed the most. He was chicken out

 

[Hephaestus]

You stopped loving him the day he spoke about the right of Kashmiris so it wasn't his Taliban affiliation that turned Indians against him.

Also, it's funny to hear Indians talk about IK being a "Taliban"/extremist when the sitting PM of India is a far more pronounced fundamentalist than IK.

He also wanted to resettle TTP who killed innocent kids.

The rights of Kashmiris are nothing new for a Pak politician. That's the way to survive in Pak politics.
Pak electoral politics is a joke.

 

[blain2]

He also wanted to resettle TTP who killed innocent kids.

The rights of Kashmiris are nothing new for a Pak politician. That's the way to survive in Pak politics.
Pak electoral politics is a joke.

Don't think Indians are concerned as much about the first one.

On the second point, we are simply two sides of the same coin. As if in India Pakistan is the not the bogeyman every single election cycle.

 

[White privilege]

LoL FA pass title, much like the generals....

 

[blain2]

General tariq khan was p....sy when pm asked him to be head of inquiry team for regime change

He did the right thing because realistically the inquiry team was going to be another toothless venture. Anyone who is smart picks their battles carefully and does not rush to take up pungay.

Second, it's funny to see arm-chair generals call people with 35 years of national defense service, 10+ years of combat experience denigrating names. PTI's bile continues to poison the youth against their own countrymen. This is what bothers me personally more than anything else. You act as if you are the only aggrieved Pakistanis and thus it gives you the right to curse/abuse anyone your political leadership deems adversarial.