Imran Khan telephones Asif Zardari

[BetterPakistan]

Nothing would change even if LB system in Place under KPK Provincial Govt. because the Provincial Assembly would be in charge of this system where we found likes of Khatak running the show.

IK lose that Bargaining Chip because now his party wants to go back to Assembly and Central Govt. is well Protected because they are at ease with all those forces that could be threat to them in the past. This whole Dharna thing requires Money as well and this time PTI has almost run out of it because their members are unlikely to contribute because they are more interested in returning to Assemblies.

IK had been in the Market for so long but couldnt able to make any difference and as for GB elections then forget it because GB is more inclined to PPP then any other because of Demographics and they wont accept KPK influence in their Areas which they have a long history of resisting in the Past.

look who is talking, a person whose party haven't extended themselves from decades and is just in one city forcefully

Didn't you went to school today?

 

[Gazi]

look who is talking, a person whose party haven't extended themselves from decades and is just in one city forcefully

They are better off in one or two Cities then moving rest of Pakistan PTI style. PTI has already started feeling Bumps in their Speedy Success based on lots of Horse Trading and including Political Refugees thanks God MQM didnt do that otherwise they would be Corrupted as well.

Didn't you went to school today?

That is what I wanted to ask you because last time we had conversation I asked you to visit Psychiatrist before Commenting me next time so what was the evaluation?

 

[BetterPakistan]

They are better off in one or two Cities then moving rest of Pakistan PTI style. PTI has already started feeling Bumps in their Speedy Success based on lots of Horse Trading and including Political Refugees thanks God MQM didnt do that otherwise they would be Corrupted as well.

That is what I wanted to ask you because last time we had conversation I asked you to visit Psychiatrist before Commenting me next time so what was the evaluation?

You quoted me again and I think you are hangovered in love with your party. Why don't you open a poll here and ask the opinion of people here on PDF and tell about your supreme party to everyone and see the results.

 

[Gazi]

You quoted me again and I think you are hangovered in love with your party. Why don't you open a poll here and ask the opinion of people here on PDF and tell about your supreme party to everyone and see the results.

Buddy I am supporting MQM with a difference that I Hate Altaf Hussain and his Old Friends in MQM's ranks but you are more of a IK Fan Boy then actually PTI supporter so there is a lot of difference between our Approach of following respective Parties. Anyways you didnt tell me the Evaluation I asked previously.

To keep this Thread on Topic I would say this whole Imran Khan Telephone Zardari looks like taking Advice in their return to Parliament without getting any sort of criticism from their own supporters whom had to been through Rains and cold Winter for the Sack of Imran Khan's Dharna.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Buddy I am supporting MQM with a difference that I Hate Altaf Hussain and his Old Friends in MQM's ranks but you are more of a IK Fan Boy then actually PTI supporter so there is a lot of difference between our Approach of following respective Parties.

To keep this Thread on Topic I would say this whole Imran Khan Telephone Zardari looks like taking Advice in their return to Parliament without getting any sort of criticism from their own supporters whom had to been through Rains and cold Winter for the Sack of Imran Khan's Dharna.

If you hate Altaf Hussain and like MQM then that's good because MQM also have great people Like Mustafa Kamal.

As far as IK is concerned buddy a fact is that no one supports PTI here or everywhere everyone supports IK because he is the one we can trust. PTI is completely based on IK and if IK says not to vote PTI people won't do that even I won't vote for PTI then. PTI is supported because of ideology of IK for Naya Pakistan not khattak nor Rasheed.

IK cleared it that he contacted Zardari on Khattak advice to tell him to not try to give money to our members in KPK assembly. IK not directly contacted zardari, there was internal communication going on between PPP and Khattak because PPP was trying to give money to PTI members in KPK to get votes for Senate and Khattak opposed it.

Haven't there talking about IK returning to parliament at National action plan time? did IK returned?

 

[Gazi]

As far as IK is concerned buddy a fact is that no one supports PTI here or everywhere everyone supports IK because he is the one we can trust. PTI is completely based on IK and if IK says not to vote PTI people won't do that even I won't vote for PTI then. PTI is supported because of ideology of IK for Naya Pakistan not khattak nor Rasheed.

IK cleared it that he contacted Zardari on Khattak advice to tell him to not try to give money to our members in KPK assembly. IK not directly contacted zardari, there was internal communication going on between PPP and Khattak because PPP was trying to give money to PTI members in KPK to get votes for Senate and Khattak opposed it.

Haven't there talking about IK returning to parliament at National action plan time? did IK returned?

That is something which needs to go if PTI really wants to make any Difference in its Political life. PTI has proactive supporters but Poor Organization and self Interest of Upper level members this is the reason why PTI is becoming a joke because no one in PTI top chain is interested in Making it an Organized Platform here and hence you saw things Happened within PTI when Tickets for Senate Elections were given and many deserving people within PTI were rejected in favor of Khattak Mafia within there Ranks. If this is the way forward then PTI doesnt represent any Difference between PMLN or PPP.

PPP is corrupt as hell and they would use the power of money which they have in huge number but if PTI MPAs are easy enough to bought by likes of Zardari then that is the Problematic situation for PTI and need to be paid urgent Attention before the Damage they did to whole Party in KPK. KPK is not a loyal Province for Political Parties as they had Rejected 3 parties in last 15 years ranging from Religious to Nationalists so PTI can be removed easily there if they dont concentrate on the Province instead of keeping their full attention towards Central Govt.

 

[BetterPakistan]

That is something which needs to go if PTI really wants to make any Difference in its Political life. PTI has proactive supporters but Poor Organization and self Interest of Upper level members this is the reason why PTI is becoming a joke because no one in PTI top chain is interested in Making it an Organized Platform here and hence you saw things Happened within PTI when Tickets for Senate Elections were given and many deserving people within PTI were rejected in favor of Khattak Mafia within there Ranks. If this is the way forward then PTI doesnt represent any Difference between PMLN or PPP.

PPP is corrupt as hell and they would use the power of money which they have in huge number but if PTI MPAs are easy enough to bought by likes of Zardari then that is the Problematic situation for PTI and need to be paid urgent Attention before the Damage they did to whole Party in KPK. KPK is not a loyal Province for Political Parties as they had Rejected 3 parties in last 15 years ranging from Religious to Nationalists so PTI can be removed easily there if they dont concentrate on the Province instead of keeping their full attention towards Central Govt.

Look IK is unique politician because he wants to change Pakistan and almost all Pakistani politicians are not loyal towards Pakistan. There are black sheeps in PTI too and IK first duty is to replace them with good ones. For instance in Senate elections IK tried to pass 22nd amendment but PP opposed it and JUI F because of their personal interests. IK is worried about Senate elections because he don't want his party members to do horse trading. Others don't have any problem with this because they will use the power of money.

Even musharraf had to go with black sheeps because of such scenario but Musharraf himself was good and he lead Pakistan to a great economic position. Pakistan was added in next-Eleven in his times.

PTI do have good people Like Asad Umar, Fauzia Kasuri etc.

The point you are reflecting towards is a thing Haroon Rasheed also predicted before and is right and the way IK is dealing with Senate elections, I guess he will pass that difficult times. Currently I am damn excited to see the result of Senate elections.

Do you know Zafar Halali? He once said "IK may fail or succeed but there is a hope with him". This is the thing there is hope and only with IK for current times as no one knows about future.

 

[Gazi]

Look IK is unique politician because he wants to change Pakistan and almost all Pakistani politicians are not loyal towards Pakistan. There are black sheeps in PTI too and IK first duty is to replace them with good ones. For instance in Senate elections IK tried to pass 22nd amendment but PP opposed it and JUI F because of their personal interests. IK is worried about Senate elections because he don't want his party members to do horse trading. Others don't have any problem with this because they will use the power of money.

That is the whole point here there are Black Sheep and now they getting Influential in PTI so that is why I said PTI has not develop into Organized Platform rather followed same Approach which other Parties have been following this approach of having Political Heavy Weights in top chain of PTI needs to get rid of instead an Organize group of Loyalist should be brought in front and that is not happening because 22nd Amendment would do a very little in comparison to what IK can do things within his Party Structure. He is more concerned towards National Politics for reforms then his own Party and that is the wrong route Imran Khan is taking because his own Party is the one which should be strengthen first before making whole Pakistan beating a same drum.

Even musharraf had to go with black sheeps because of such scenario but Musharraf himself was good and he lead Pakistan to a great economic position. Pakistan was added in next-Eleven in his times.

PTI do have good people Like Asad Umar, Fauzia Kasuri etc.

Musharraf had a support of most Competent Institution on his side so he had no pressure in anything and that is why during his period all those Bad sheep doesnt get lots of leverage comparison to current PTI where Khattak Family Influence in KPK is growing further. IK has a different story here they have good people within there Ranks but Bad Sheep are now in large number in PTI which is making things bad for PTI.

The point you are reflecting towards is a thing Haroon Rasheed also predicted before and is right and the way IK is dealing with Senate elections, I guess he will pass that difficult times. Currently I am damn excited to see the result of Senate elections.

That difficult Exams need his Full attention not NA122 or Electoral reforms so there he needs to work instead of getting involve in something that is beyond him now a days. If he cant make good Reforms in PTI how would he be able to make any difference nationally? That is what IK is lacking and needs to put himself involve because in next Elections if the same old PTI is participating as they were in 2013 Elections then many PTI supporters would lose hope in it. So damage Controls does need to be initiated now to get rid of further Damages.

 

[BetterPakistan]

That is the whole point here there are Black Sheep and now they getting Influential in PTI so that is why I said PTI has not develop into Organized Platform rather followed same Approach which other Parties have been following this approach of having Political Heavy Weights in top chain of PTI needs to get rid of instead an Organize group of Loyalist should be brought in front and that is not happening because 22nd Amendment would do a very little in comparison to what IK can do things within his Party Structure. He is more concerned towards National Politics for reforms then his own Party and that is the wrong route Imran Khan is taking because his own Party is the one which should be strengthen first before making whole Pakistan beating a same drum.

Musharraf had a support of most Competent Institution on his side so he had no pressure in anything and that is why during his period all those Bad sheep doesnt get lots of leverage comparison to current PTI where Khattak Family Influence in KPK is growing further. IK has a different story here they have good people within there Ranks but Bad Sheep are now in large number in PTI which is making things bad for PTI.

That difficult Exams need his Full attention not NA122 or Electoral reforms so there he needs to work instead of getting involve in something that is beyond him now a days. If he cant make good Reforms in PTI how would he be able to make any difference nationally? That is what IK is lacking and needs to put himself involve because in next Elections if the same old PTI is participating as they were in 2013 Elections then many PTI supporters would lose hope in it. So damage Controls does need to be initiated now to get rid of further Damages.

I wouldn't agree with you on "Black sheeps are getting influential on PTI" because as I first said PTI is all IK. Every PTI member knows that and they won't take it to extreme. As far as Khattak family is concerned, Khattak is not that bad dude.

Imran is focused on NA 122, don't you know that tribunal had ordered NADRA to verify each vote thumb impression in NA 122 and PP 147. IK said that after NA 122 results I will start a street movement. NA 125 and Jahangir Tareen constituency is also near to NADRA verification. I guess this year would be very significant in Pakistani politics.

Musharraf played a great innings but the problem is that now musharraf have no future. He himself can't compete elections now because of the verdict of Sindh high court against him. He have a chance to request supreme court but SC is pretty much against him, I guess.

IK I believe is much powerful and he will pass every exam like the way he did in cricket. He passed all hardships like setting up SK Lahore and now Peshawar. He also passed the hardships of Namal university, IK foundation etc.


This is all just a matter of time. I admit that IK did a few mistakes but his intentions are not bad. That tiny mistakes aren't worth considering. Even Musharraf did mistakes as well but his overall innings were remarkable.

 

[batmannow]

Brother look it's a system and it's not that easy to change a system. After IK press conference the local bodies elections date in KPK has also arrived it will be held on June 7.

IK said that people will soon see me on streets after NA 122 results. He also stated that he will not let rigging happen in Gilgit-Baltistan elections.

I am just telling you that now IK has finally entered in the market and by hook or by crook he will conquer the market.

Friend,
I guss you are too young to know the tools of politics in Pakistan.
It's not only alone IMRAN who can become a cowboy & can dance around the fire, He needs full support from within his party?
I only can tell you there are bigger holes in PTI then JH aka daghi fame?
I won't break your dreams of PTI running Pakistan all along, but let me tell you straight even If IMRAN comes out on streets ruling Croupt Mafia won't go down the next minute?
With bogus Parliaments in federal & in provincial levels now we are having a bogus Senate? All it happens with the support of PTI, If PTI wasn't included in that ugly system then , we could have better Pakistan today?
problem is that PTI can't resist to not be a part of that ugly system, Maybe IMRAN doesn't wanted that personly but heavy weights joined it for only that purpose to win& be the part of the crouptest political system in this world?
Still I insists it will be PTI, s another worst decision to go into last of the parts of the Croupt system by LB elections, better to go on the streets & revolt against this system make the required amendments for a clean democracy rather then trying to be part of it & come out because being failed?
IMRAN Khan is not ghost or a terminator who can stop every croutons happening in Pakistan recent Senate elections in KPK just has proven that?
So Forget about Gilgit Baltistan LB elections & try to bring a good show on. NA122 ?

If IMRAN & PTI. can't bring the change in the Croupt system then, better they change their slogan of change?

 

[Gazi]

wouldn't agree with you on "Black sheeps are getting influential on PTI" because as I first said PTI is all IK. Every PTI member knows that and they won't take it to extreme. As far as Khattak family is concerned, Khattak is not that bad dude.

Maybe Khattak isnt bad guy but is Imran Khan Immune to bad ideas from him or due to his influence?I dont think so it takes time to understand a person's thoughts but it takes Years to understand the vision and Khattak isnt that old enough to understand the vision Imran Khan is working on. If Imran Khan had made a Structure within his party then he could have made a leader out of a common man instead of relying on Influential Power Brokers around him.

Imran is focused on NA 122, don't you know that tribunal had ordered NADRA to verify each vote thumb impression in NA 122 and PP 147. IK said that after NA 122 results I will start a street movement. NA 125 and Jahangir Tareen constituency is also near to NADRA verification. I guess this year would be very significant in Pakistani politics.

Hypothetically Imran Khan is successful in NA 122 what would be next?The Election in NA122 and what makes you think Imran Khan would be able to stop PMLN from not doing any rigging again?His Structure isnt strong enough to keep things Fair maybe PTI can get some Snaps of Rigging and start all over again but do you expect a re election in Pakistan on the basis of NA122?I dont think Nawaz is that dumb he might have even figure it out already that if it means to sacrifice one Seat to keep his PM seat intact then that isnt a bad deal and if you think this NA122 is a victory for PTI then think again because this one seat wont bring anything close to Imran Khan's actual demand rather its like a compromise to contain the situation.

Musharraf played a great innings but the problem is that now musharraf have no future. He himself can't compete elections now because of the verdict of Sindh high court against him. He have a chance to request supreme court but SC is pretty much against him, I guess.

Musharraf is facing Selective Justice so he does have to face a problem but if you think that people would come to his favor all these Cases cant be removed then you are wrong. There is always Plan B and in Pakistan it is called Nazariya-e-Zaroorat which can influence anything in Pakistan but a person only needs is to EARN IT and in Musharraf's case it is only possible if people comes to his favor while convincing Military Establishment wont be the problem. Imran Khan can give this a chance if he wants to keep up the Pressure on PPP and concentrate solely on PMLN that would create a force that can keep Zardari and Nawaz at bay. So all options are available its only pick and choose exercise that needs to be done.

IK I believe is much powerful and he will pass every exam like the way he did in cricket. He passed all hardships like setting up SK Lahore and now Peshawar. He also passed the hardships of Namal university, IK foundation etc.

IK may believe all powerful about himself but the reality is Nawaz and Zardari are Clever and outperform him unless he has some backup available to him and beside Musharraf that is only PAT which is Punjab Based so collaboration wont be easy because Imran Khan also have eyes on Punjab as well while Musharraf is trying in Sindh which is far from Imran Khan's base so he has an opportunity to earn the services of a man that is clever and have good know how of dealing with people.

his is all just a matter of time. I admit that IK did a few mistakes but his intentions are not bad. That tiny mistakes aren't worth considering. Even Musharraf did mistakes as well but his overall innings were remarkable.

His Intentions are unquestionable no doubt but his mistakes had been very silly in front of likes of Nawaz and Zardari. Musharraf's biggest Mistake was NRO and allowing Nawaz in Election 2008 but it was more of a Public Demand then solely his mistake. People of Pakistan are Influenced quiet Easily without realizing the consequences due to Emotions that runs deep within us and sadly Imran Khan also happens to be in that lot. So he need an assistance badly and he also need a proper Structure of Party Loyalist to his side as well to bring himself to a convincing Position.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Maybe Khattak isnt bad guy but is Imran Khan Immune to bad ideas from him or due to his influence?I dont think so it takes time to understand a person's thoughts but it takes Years to understand the vision and Khattak isnt that old enough to understand the vision Imran Khan is working on. If Imran Khan had made a Structure within his party then he could have made a leader out of a common man instead of relying on Influential Power Brokers around him.
Hypothetically Imran Khan is successful in NA 122 what would be next?The Election in NA122 and what makes you think Imran Khan would be able to stop PMLN from not doing any rigging again?His Structure isnt strong enough to keep things Fair maybe PTI can get some Snaps of Rigging and start all over again but do you expect a re election in Pakistan on the basis of NA122?I dont think Nawaz is that dumb he might have even figure it out already that if it means to sacrifice one Seat to keep his PM seat intact then that isnt a bad deal and if you think this NA122 is a victory for PTI then think again because this one seat wont bring anything close to Imran Khan's actual demand rather its like a compromise to contain the situation.
Musharraf is facing Selective Justice so he does have to face a problem but if you think that people would come to his favor all these Cases cant be removed then you are wrong. There is always Plan B and in Pakistan it is called Nazariya-e-Zaroorat which can influence anything in Pakistan but a person only needs is to EARN IT and in Musharraf's case it is only possible if people comes to his favor while convincing Military Establishment wont be the problem. Imran Khan can give this a chance if he wants to keep up the Pressure on PPP and concentrate solely on PMLN that would create a force that can keep Zardari and Nawaz at bay. So all options are available its only pick and choose exercise that needs to be done.
IK may believe all powerful about himself but the reality is Nawaz and Zardari are Clever and outperform him unless he has some backup available to him and beside Musharraf that is only PAT which is Punjab Based so collaboration wont be easy because Imran Khan also have eyes on Punjab as well while Musharraf is trying in Sindh which is far from Imran Khan's base so he has an opportunity to earn the services of a man that is clever and have good know how of dealing with people.
His Intentions are unquestionable no doubt but his mistakes had been very silly in front of likes of Nawaz and Zardari. Musharraf's biggest Mistake was NRO and allowing Nawaz in Election 2008 but it was more of a Public Demand then solely his mistake. People of Pakistan are Influenced quiet Easily without realizing the consequences due to Emotions that runs deep within us and sadly Imran Khan also happens to be in that lot. So he need an assistance badly and he also need a proper Structure of Party Loyalist to his side as well to bring himself to a convincing Position.

You are right about Pakistani's becoming emotional like they became in 2008 and we suffered from it for 5 years.

As far as I know IK said after NA 122 results I will start a street movement to make a Judicial commission. IK is clever but not that that kind of nasty clever like the others. If IK wan't to become successful then he should become that kind of nasty clever.

I heard Musharraf trying to have a Jalsa in Sindh. Any info about it?

I don't know much about PAT but as far as I know he has some support because he is associated with PML Q and Maslis e Wahdatul Muslimeen which makes him more powerful from the others but not as much as Nawaz, I guess.

My six senses are saying that it's time for GHQ rawalpindi now

Friend,
I guss you are too young to know the tools of politics in Pakistan.
It's not only alone IMRAN who can become a cowboy & can dance around the fire, He needs full support from within his party?
I only can tell you there are bigger holes in PTI then JH aka daghi fame?
I won't break your dreams of PTI running Pakistan all along, but let me tell you straight even If IMRAN comes out on streets ruling Croupt Mafia won't go down the next minute?
With bogus Parliaments in federal & in provincial levels now we are having a bogus Senate? All it happens with the support of PTI, If PTI wasn't included in that ugly system then , we could have better Pakistan today?
problem is that PTI can't resist to not be a part of that ugly system, Maybe IMRAN doesn't wanted that personly but heavy weights joined it for only that purpose to win& be the part of the crouptest political system in this world?
Still I insists it will be PTI, s another worst decision to go into last of the parts of the Croupt system by LB elections, better to go on the streets & revolt against this system make the required amendments for a clean democracy rather then trying to be part of it & come out because being failed?
IMRAN Khan is not ghost or a terminator who can stop every croutons happening in Pakistan recent Senate elections in KPK just has proven that?
So Forget about Gilgit Baltistan LB elections & try to bring a good show on. NA122 ?

If IMRAN & PTI. can't bring the change in the Croupt system then, better they change their slogan of change?

You are somewhere right about those black sheeps in PTI but the point raises here is that IK clearly said that he will start a street movement after the result of NA 122. Not only you but I myself think that he should stop everything here and start a street movement but he is waiting for the result of NA 122. You know that 2 days before NA 122 case was sent to NADRA to verify each and every thumb impression and after one month we will have the result. IK said that if govt won't make judicial commission then the only chance will be streets.

Gilgit-Baltistan was just an example I mentioned referring that by making the elections free and fair IK will prove his power there but I am more sure that NA 122 result will come before that.

If IK fail (InshaALLAH not) then there will be only one movement we can support and it will be from rawalpindi GHQ

 

[batmannow]

You are right about Pakistani's becoming emotional like they became in 2008 and we suffered from it for 5 years.

As far as I know IK said after NA 122 results I will start a street movement to make a Judicial commission. IK is clever but not that that kind of nasty clever like the others. If IK wan't to become successful then he should become that kind of nasty clever.

I heard Musharraf trying to have a Jalsa in Sindh. Any info about it?

I don't know much about PAT but as far as I know he has some support because he is associated with PML Q and Maslis e Wahdatul Muslimeen which makes him more powerful from the others but not as much as Nawaz, I guess.

My six senses are saying that it's time for GHQ rawalpindi now




You are somewhere right about those black sheeps in PTI but the point raises here is that IK clearly said that he will start a street movement after the result of NA 122. Not only you but I myself think that he should stop everything here and start a street movement but he is waiting for the result of NA 122. You know that 2 days before NA 122 case was sent to NADRA to verify each and every thumb impression and after one month we will have the result. IK said that if govt won't make judicial commission then the only chance will be streets.

Gilgit-Baltistan was just an example I mentioned referring that by making the elections free and fair IK will prove his power there but I am more sure that NA 122 result will come before that.

If IK fail (InshaALLAH not) then there will be only one movement we can support and it will be from rawalpindi GHQ

& I belong to that very last 111 MOVEMENT ?
We need a trigger , & you know, what I mean & even imran knows that ?lolzzz

 

[BetterPakistan]

& I belong to that very last 111 MOVEMENT ?
We need a trigger , & you know, what I mean & even imran knows that ?lolzzz

I shall not oppose that movement

 

[Gazi]

You are right about Pakistani's becoming emotional like they became in 2008 and we suffered from it for 5 years.

As far as I know IK said after NA 122 results I will start a street movement to make a Judicial commission. IK is clever but not that that kind of nasty clever like the others. If IK wan't to become successful then he should become that kind of nasty clever.

I heard Musharraf trying to have a Jalsa in Sindh. Any info about it?

I don't know much about PAT but as far as I know he has some support because he is associated with PML Q and Maslis e Wahdatul Muslimeen which makes him more powerful from the others but not as much as Nawaz, I guess.

My six senses are saying that it's time for GHQ rawalpindi now

That is the point I agree with you fully that Imran Khan needs Nasty Clever people around him to deal with Zardari and Nawaz Together and for that he can ether take lot of Political Heavy Weights to his side or he can take someone who's life dependent on getting rid of them. Ideas flow out when a person is Experienced or when a person has his life dependent upon so their is a way out for Imran Khan on this as well.

Even that NA122 would result in By Election instead of Re Election and even that would require lot of Negotiations and Convincing to do as well and since Rehman Malik is also in Picture on that you can expect Shaddy Deals happening inside. Whoever wins would be full and final till 2018. We cant expect any changes on the basis of that either so Imran Khan cant get what he is actually hoping for here but he still have lot of things to do in the mean time like Structural Improvements so that PTI is ready to stop Rigging during the Election Whenever held next time.