Imran Khan shares historic picture of his ancestors on Pakistan's 71st independence day

[criticalerror]

Irrelevant to the question asked. My faith is none of your business and it is between Allah and me. Lets just focus on the leadership question:

1. Will the political leadership be elected or not?

2. If political leadership is elected, how is that different from a democratic presidential or parliamentary system?

Surely you can answer some simple questions about how this ‘Shariah system’ will function.

As per my inadequate knowledge,

1) The people elect a Shu’ra , council of elders and learned people, which is quite like the parliament. They in turn appoint the Khalifa(Prime Minister maybe).

2) It’s not much different , the difference lies in the elected people being Sadiq and Ameen , which in olden days was established by reputation. Anyone even convicted , through testimony,of lying once was ineligible to be part of the Shu’ra. Any crime related to this, such as corruption, also made them ineligible. Also the difference lies in the fact that there was no party system, so the Shura may elect anyone to be the leader .

In the absence of any better answer, i replied with my knowledge on the matter. I might be wrong but this is the gist of Shariah system of government. I might add that Pakistan may have a similar system now(however inefficient), especially with 62 and 63 Articles of Constitution.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As per my inadequate knowledge,

1) The people elect a Shu’ra , council of elders and learned people, which is quite like the parliament. They in turn appoint the Khalifa(Prime Minister maybe).

2) It’s not much different , the difference lies in the elected people being Sadiq and Ameen , which in olden days was established by reputation. Anyone even convicted , through testimony,of lying once was ineligible to be part of the Shu’ra. Any crime related to this, such as corruption, also made them ineligible. Also the difference lies in the fact that there was no party system, so the Shura may elect anyone to be the leader .

In the absence of any better answer, i replied with my knowledge on the matter. I might be wrong but this is the gist of Shariah system of government. I might add that Pakistan may have a similar system now(however inefficient), especially with 62 and 63 Articles of Constitution.

Would you say then that the proposed system is pretty identical to the parliamentary system, with just the names changed?

The Sadiq & Ameen Claude is present today as well. Reputation alone cannot be considered credible evidence. One should have to prove guilt in a court of law and that is what the current system calls for as well.

The point I’m trying to make is that the issue is not with ‘western systems of democracy’ but with the flaws in the existing system in terms of the judiciary and law enforcement. We need judicial reforms and law enforcement reforms to where white collar crime & corruption can be handled better.

 

[criticalerror]

Would you say then that the proposed system is pretty identical to the parliamentary system, with just the names changed?

The Sadiq & Ameen Claude is present today as well. Reputation alone cannot be considered credible evidence. One should have to prove guilt in a court of law and that is what the current system calls for as well.

The point I’m trying to make is that the issue is not with ‘western systems of democracy’ but with the flaws in the existing system in terms of the judiciary and law enforcement. We need judicial reforms and law enforcement reforms to where white collar crime & corruption can be handled better.

Sadiq and Ameen are obviously going to be proven in court, i am not denying that. I just added how this was established in the olden days. There is a fine line between Islamic Jurisprudence and modern judiciary. Witnesses were sufficient in those times because their truthfulness was established by the community. They were smaller communities and as such establishing this was easier.

The flaw with modern judiciary is that cases can be discarded based on technicalities (O.J Simpson comes to mind). That isn’t justice is it then? Someone who the entire world knew did the murder but the prosecution bungled up and he walked.

In Islam , that is why witness testimony is sufficient to establish guilt. But the caveat is that the witness being sadiq and ameen must also be established. A tricky situation.

I agree. I am not ascribing to the statement that Western democracy is flawed. On evidence, this looks quite like the Shariat system of government disregarding religious influence. In fact, the current shape of Pakistani democracy is very much trying to be the Shariat system but is plagued too much by political motivations and corruption for it to be effective.

As for Shariah, it imposes quite strict code of conduct for the government as well. E.g Zia ul Haq wanted to introduce Islamic punishments (cutting hand off etc). He was advised by a learned scholar that before you can implement this, you must ensure everyone in your subjects have two square meals a day.

 

[El Sidd]

How is feudalism different from people owning large tracts of land, land that they earned ‘legally’, under whatever government was present at the time?

if the previous governments have made mistakes, it is not haram to revisit those decisions or methods through which land was acquired.

most of the development projects are impossible to undertake in Pakistan without this ancient understanding of land ownership rampant in Pakistan.

Now that is a point worth debating, and one I can agree with you to some degree. What you need to try and do is be a bit more careful about how you comment. Instead of implying that everyone in the OP picture was a feudal and corrupt, perhaps you should have made the point the way you did here, and quite a few people would agree with you.

I believe a lot of people have written about the failure to enact land reforms in Pakistan in the early days after independence, the absence of which resulted in the Waderas, Jagirdars, Sardars etc consolidating their hold on power.

this goes back to concept of not completely grasping the concept of a Nation state. the concept of Pakistan is a bit too modern for people stuck in the past of irrelevant glory of age of empires.

even still it is the land based economy which is dividing the country up among the lines of ethnicity, sect and race. a concept alien to the region ironically.

 

[El Sidd]

Imran Khan shares historic picture of his ancestors on Pakistan's 71st independence day

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan, prime minister-in-waiting, has shared a historical picture of his maternal uncle (husband of his mother’s sister) and his mother’s paternal uncle sitting along with the founder of Pakistan Quaid-e-Azam M. Ali Jinnah and the thinker of Pakistan Dr Allama Iqbal at the Round Table Conference in London 1932.

In his message on the 71st independence day of Pakistan, PTI chief vowed to steer Pakistan out of crises, saying; "On this independence day I am filled with the greatest optimism. Despite our grave economic crises, due to corruption & cronyism, I know if we are united in our resolve, we will rise to the challenge & Pak will become the great nation envisaged by our Quaid & Iqbal"

Khan also shared a historic picture of his relatives on the day with the caption; "In this historic picture of Quaid-i-Azam & Iqbal, at the Round Table Conference in London 1932, my khalu Dr Jehangir Khan and my mother’s chacha Zaman Khan ( Zaman Park named after him ) were also present.





Imran Khan

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In this historic picture of Quaid-i-Azam & Iqbal, at the Round Table Conference in London 1932, my khalu Dr Jehangir Khan and my mother’s chacha Zaman Khan ( Zaman Park named after him ) were also present.
Imran Khan

✔@ImranKhanPTI

14 Aug 2018: On this Independence Day I am filled with the greatest optimism. Despite our grave economic crises, due to corruption & cronyism, I know if we are united in our resolve, we will rise to the challenge & Pak will become the great nation envisaged by our Quaid & Iqbal


3:20 PM - Aug 13, 2018

Elitist Demagoge !!

 

[ghazi52]

My college ...
12 April 1948 - Visit of the Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah to Islamia College Peshawar.

L to R : Colonel Ahmad Khan Sahibzada (Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Islamia College at the time), Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah, The Quaid and Sir Ambrose Dundas, Governor NWFP at the time.