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Imran Khan’s vision for peace

There are 6 million armed tribesmen out there. How many will you kill?

See once again you have implied yourself that all Tribesmen are terrorists. Nobody is talking about killing the tribesmen they are talking about killing the Taliban however your statement makes it appear that all tribesmen are either Taliban or support them willingly.
 
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There are 6 million armed tribesmen out there. How many will you kill?

the no is meaning less the intent followed by the action should be clear,just start a military operation n offer economical benifits to everyone who give up arms .the no will jump from the cliff.
 
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I saw his interview with burkha dutt when she asked him about terrorist that guy was sweating...don't expect he will bring any peace in pakistan...



The terrorist are misguided PAKISTANIS and we need to INDOCTRINATE them and not ALIENATE them. Imran khan is playing his hand just the way I like.
 
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No but you just implied that they are since if he is trying to win over the tribes that must mean the tribes are on the side of the TTP. However if they are not than he is either trying to negotiate with the foot soldiers who ALREADY are TTP or he is just wasting his time trying to win over tribes that already OPPOSE TTP. Based on various members posts on this forum it would seem the tribes are not fans of TTP which is why they already make up local lashkar to oppose them so it would appear Imran Khan is trying to negotiate with TTP in actuality.

Majority of them do not support TTP and but many individuals and tribes do. The reasons of this support varies. Some support TTP because they have lost a relative / close one in drone strikes or military operation, some do because they think its a Jihad against Americans and some are ideological terrorists. IK wants to win the first two categories to his side and counter the last one through military operation.

See once again you have implied yourself that all Tribesmen are terrorists. Nobody is talking about killing the tribesmen they are talking about killing the Taliban however your statement makes it appear that all tribesmen are either Taliban or support them willingly.

I said that in response to member's post who wanted an all out attack in the tribal areas and a policy on the lines of 'kill them all' . That action will turn this war into Govt. vs tribes and hence we will be fighting against 6 million tribesmen.
 
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Majority of them do not support TTP and but many individuals and tribes do. The reasons of this support varies. Some support TTP because they have lost a relative / close one in drone strikes or military operation, some do because they think its a Jihad against Americans and some are ideological terrorists. IK wants to win the first two categories to his side and counter the last one through military operation.



I said that in response to member's post who wanted an all out attack in the tribal areas and a policy on the lines of 'kill them all' . That action will turn this war into Govt. vs tribes and hence we will be fighting against 6 million tribesmen.

He was obviously talking about the Taliban you may have misconstrued his statement.
 
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Karma, as you sow so shall you reap, law of nature.

Comments like these is why people think all Pakistanis are terrorist supporters, you may not like American policies in Pakistan but wishing death upon citizens who have nothing to do with the politics being played is immature especially from someone like you who is usually more reasonable.

The terrorist are misguided PAKISTANIS and we need to INDOCTRINATE them and not ALIENATE them. Imran khan is playing his hand just the way I like.

Isn't 40000 kills enough for everyone to realize that they cannot be brought back on the side of Pakistan?!?!
 
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He was obviously talking about the Taliban you may have misconstrued his statement.

Please read these paragraphs again from the article:

Only war as a policy is wrong, just as only negotiations as a policy is meaningless. The right balance is captured best though a bit tritely in ‘talk talk, fight fight’. You talk to those who are ready to talk and you fight those who are not. Sometimes you talk and fight at the same time.

The end goal has to be the cessation of fighting and a negotiated settlement. This is what Imran Khan believes in. You can’t kill your way to peace because even if successful it is the peace of the dead. Many dead. Hundreds, thousands perhaps, tens of thousand dead. A virtual genocide.

That is a bad path to peace even if it were possible. And it seldom is. Liberals Pakistani style who should rightly be called ‘eclectics’ - they change their stripes from tigers to doves depending on the conflict – often quote Sri Lanka’s outright military victory as a model. This is typical oversimplification. It was a different battle, different circumstances. Against a minority in an Island with few escape routes. Still it took 30 years. Not really relevant to our situation.

We have to isolate the really bad eggs from those who are reconcilable. And yes, there is no shortage of savages in the Taliban ranks. Those TTP types who claim responsibility for shooting Malala are nothing but savages. Imran Khan condemned them by name when he went to a Peshawar hospital to see her. PTI condemned them. I, the Info Secretary did on behalf of the party on talk shows. Yet the propaganda persists that Imran Khan and PTI are soft on terrorists.

No Sir, Imran Khan is not soft on terrorists. Imran Khan and his party always condemn terrorist attacks and its perpetrators. The difference is that Imran Khan is the only politician in Pakistan who has a comprehensive vision for peace. Based on ‘talk talk’ but never ruling out ‘fight fight’.

Why is ‘talk talk’ necessary? Taliban are neither a monolithic entity nor everyone among them is out to capture the state by force. Many, perhaps a majority, are fighting a private war because their families, their loved ones, their close relatives, have been killed by drone strikes or military action. They want revenge because they have been brutalised and these people do not find it easy to forgive.

They are not the hard-core ideologues. They are more often the foot soldiers or minor commanders. Their agenda is simple. Kill those who killed their kith and kin. If they find a partner for peace they can trust; someone whom they do not consider to be talking with a forked tongue – yes we have made promises and not kept them – they will talk. They can reconcile. They can give up the fight. Provided their opposite number is someone they can trust.

Not all would. There are foreigners out there who gain nothing through peace with Pakistan. There are our own ideologues – Punjabi, Pakhtun indeed all shades of our people – who have no desire to reconcile. They do indeed want to capture the state. They will fight to the bitter end. And we must fight them.

But, the vision that Imran Khan has is that a large majority is reconcilable. They can be won over through a credible peace initiative. This would leave the dead enders, perhaps ten or twenty percent of the total fighting force. Denied of an army they would turn to criminality as some are already doing. They are the ones that can be tackled by force.
 
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Please read these paragraphs again from the article:

I understand that the foot soldiers are usually people who want revenge for whatever grievances they may have with Pakistan but again isn't the 40000 deaths at the hands of these foot soldiers enough for society to realize that there is no longer room for negotiations.
 
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This Buffoon Imran Khan needs to understand the true nature of these bestial Taliban.

The Taliban and their ideology is a like a Cancer destroying Pakistan. The Drone strikes is like Chemeotherapy which will destroy the cancer but will also damage some healthy tissue.

Continuing to believe that just stop the Chemeotherapy and all will be well its retarded policy and its quite shameful that one of the most pragmatic people in Pakistan is echoing such foolishness.
 
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How a Pakistani liberal mind works

* Military is evil when it fights BLA
* Military is angel when it fights TTP
* When terrorist dead bodies are found in Balochistan, that is just so wrong.
* When terrorist dead bodies are found in Waziristan , that is just so right.
* When TTP attacks a 14 year old girl, they boil up.
* When Americans systematically murder, children in drone strikes, they cool down.
* When Military wants to attack terrorist outposts in Balochsitan they oppose
* When Military wants to attack N.Waziristan they approve
* When someone says "kill em all" - all Human rights activists, chant "aye-aye" with a smile.
* When someone says lets talk to those who want to talk - they say he is a terrorist sympathizer.
* When a Pakistani child dies in a taliban attack they flood the leftist media with articles
* When a Pakistani child dies in a US strike,they cover it up with "suspected militant" heading.

God save us from such moronic thought process.

Aye for Imran's vision.

Actually even fundos in the media claim the same. Also, you have shown you true self. Disgusting.
 
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Again, you seem to be deliberately misrepresenting me because a simple statement like mine should not have confused you. Read it again and you'll find I say that Imran Khan should stop using Malala's incident to highlight that Taliban 2 is not bad. Just denounce Taliban 1 and stop at that. By the way, don't they both have the same leaders?

There is no issue of confusion, I'm calling out your mauka parasti. Malala incident wasn't brought up by Imran... Why would he go and raise the issue of Taliban 2? Like everyone he too was disgusted by Malala's killers and he expressed his anger upon them.

Now the funny thing is your type of people are like HAIN? Wait a minute, he didn't do the equal amount of protest compared to what he protested against America. It's you who is weighing protest in a tarazoo because you sole objective is to serve an anti Imran dish out of the ingredients you have.

You can't make a meat dish out of vegetables and your argument lacks meat. The argument wasn't started by Imran, Taliban 2 and the NWA operation was brought up by the mauka parasts and still the effort is on to somehow make NWA operation happen against national interests.
 
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He wants to negotiate with the TTP (how can he negotiate with Afghan Taliban when they are not at war with them anyway?). That is where I am at odds with the man, they have killed so many Pakistanis things should be beyond negotiations just wait for a good time to strike and get it done and BLA should suffer the same fate.

First of all, he wants to negotiate with tribal people, not an organization called TTP.

Tribal folks who are fighting because we are fighting them, will be given an option to mutually end the fight - if they won't listen them obviously we'll fight them.

That's it. All TTP won't give up but the tribes they draw their support from will.

HN will be asked to go back to Afghanistan.

TTP the organization that is based out of Afghanistan and carries out its attacks on Pakistan will get no such deal and will still be fought.

You're intelligent enough that you are perfectly aware that the drones target militants, not kids, so there is nothing to your charge that "Americans systematically murder children".

"God save us from such moronic thought process." So why do you keep dong it?

Obama doesn't target militants... His own aides said hes asked to target all military age males who are travelling together, doing jumping jacks together, going for a jog, are holding a stick looking like a gun... They can all be shot at with missiles.

From that definition, its possible you guys didn't kill even a single militant.
 
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