Imran Khan’s vision for peace

[Solomon2]

How a Pakistani liberal mind works

...When Americans systematically murder, children in drone strikes -

You're intelligent enough that you are perfectly aware that the drones target militants, not kids, so there is nothing to your charge that "Americans systematically murder children".

"God save us from such moronic thought process." So why do you keep dong it?

 

[Rafael]

He wants to negotiate with the TTP (how can he negotiate with Afghan Taliban when they are not at war with them anyway?). That is where I am at odds with the man, they have killed so many Pakistanis things should be beyond negotiations just wait for a good time to strike and get it done and BLA should suffer the same fate.

Argh...How many times it has to be explained? Why do you guys don't get it?

He does not want to negotiate with TTP. He wants to negotiate with the TRIBES and win them over to his side to alienate and isolate TTP. Sounds like a good enough policy unless you believe that all tribesmen are terrorists.

 

[clmeta]

But he opposes military action against TTP.
He also supported the TTP, TNSM's agenda of imposing Shariah in Swat.

Argh...How many times it has to be explained? Why do you guys don't get it?

He does not want to negotiate with TTP. He wants to negotiate with the TRIBES and win them over to his side to alienate and isolate TTP. Sounds like a good enough policy unless you believe that all tribesmen are terrorists.

 

[Rafael]

You're intelligent enough that you are perfectly aware that the drones target militants, not kids, so there is nothing to your charge that "Americans systematically murder children".

"God save us from such moronic thought process." So why do you keep dong it?

Drones target unarmed civilians and that include children too!

 

[Kompromat]

You're intelligent enough that you are perfectly aware that the drones target militants, not kids, so there is nothing to your charge that "Americans systematically murder children".

"God save us from such moronic thought process." So why do you keep dong it?

Indeed, they target militants, every male with military age 14 or over is a target. America one day will pay for this and its crimes around the world.

 

[clmeta]

Militants do that on a far greater scale and they have to be answered. Best way to minimize collateral damage is to nudge the army to do an operation in North Waziristan and Americans/Afghans to do the blocking/killing of fleeing militants in Afghanistan.

Drones target unarmed civilians and that include children too!

 

[Kompromat]

But he opposes military action against TTP.
He also supported the TTP, TNSM's agenda of imposing Shariah in Swat.

Maybe because Mr-Genius without Afghan side cleared by ISAF, an operation in N.Wazisrtan will be a failure. TTP will simply migrate to Afghanistan to fight another day. Americans dont have balls to start ops in that region, they fear too many casualties.

Lastly, there was no Sharia law in SWAT - just their own system of justice, they had it for centuries and was protected under a deal with the federation. He asked that to be restored because Swatis wanted it restored.

 

[Rafael]

But he opposes military action against TTP.
He also supported the TTP, TNSM's agenda of imposing Shariah in Swat.

He does not opposes action against TTP. He preaches that the operation must be a part of a bigger political strategy. Like winning tribes and tribesmen to your side, identify the terrorists by the help of these tribes and then conduct a targeted military operation backed by health, education and development for those areas.

Militants do that on a far greater scale and they have to be answered. Best way to minimize collateral damage is to nudge the army to do an operation in North Waziristan and Americans/Afghans to do the blocking/killing of fleeing militants in Afghanistan.

Agreed but last time our military conducted military operation in SWA, NATO fled their posts and allowed TTP to regroup in Afghanistan. Mullah Fazalullah still operates from there.

 

[Guillaume70]

Indeed, they target militants, every male with military age 14 or over is a target. America one day will pay for this and its crimes around the world.

You mean, like an another 9/11 ?

 

[clmeta]

He has said never use your army against TTP.
He says that world powers are conspiring to make the army fight the militants.
He supports blasphemy laws.
He is basically a populist.
And yes, he as also supported implementation of Shariah as demanded by TTP in the peace talks in 2009.

He does not opposes action against TTP. He preaches that the operation must be a part of a bigger political strategy. Like winning tribes and tribesmen to your side, identify the terrorists by the help of these tribes and then conduct a targeted military operation backed by health, education and development for those areas.



Agreed but last time our military conducted military operation in SWA, NATO fled their posts and allowed TTP to regroup in Afghanistan. Mullah Fazalullah still operates from there.

 

[Solomon2]

Indeed, they target militants, every male with military age 14 or over is a target.

Where'd the "every male age 14+" come from?

America one day will pay for this and its crimes around the world.

I suppose you bring this up as a kind of threat: that if IK comes to power he will ally with the Taliban and other dark forces so "America one day will pay". But remember Wikileaks? The alleged "crimes" revealed weren't those of Americans but of the Pakistanis Americans dealt with. You'll be killing Americans to fulfill a fantasy of justice, rather than the real thing. In short, you seek to commit evil.

 

[lightoftruth]

He does not opposes action against TTP. He preaches that the operation must be a part of a bigger political strategy. Like winning tribes and tribesmen to your side, identify the terrorists by the help of these tribes and then conduct a targeted military operation backed by health, education and development for those areas.

political strategy in those areas where the civilian govts are getting sidelined day by day bec. of the continuos violation of law seems just an excuse, it gives taliban a good enough time to ground their roots deep.

the policy of military operation after an implied political discussion is currently being used by nato/us in afghanistan n result is in front of everyone.

their is only one way to protect your home from snakes pick up the stick n hit it on the head.

 

[Rafael]

He has said never use your army against TTP.
He says that world powers are conspiring to make the army fight the militants.
He supports blasphemy laws.
He is basically a populist.
And yes, he as also supported implementation of Shariah as demanded by TTP in the peace talks in 2009.

1) I would have shown you the videos but youtube is blocked here. You can take my word for it or leave it.
2) I haven't heard anything like that but if he has said it, its sad and condemnable.
3) He says that blasphemy law should be revised and it should be made sure that no innocent is punished. Was the only politician in the country who publicly condemned the killing of Salman Taseer and later the act of showering petals on the murderer.
4) It wasn't the sharia law exactly. But anyway I too believe that was a mistake which i think he realized afterwards.

political strategy in those areas where the civilian govts are getting sidelined day by day bec. of the continuos violation of law seems just an excuse, it gives taliban a good enough time to ground their roots deep.

the policy of military operation after an implied political discussion is currently being used by nato/us in afghanistan n result is in front of everyone.

their is only one way to protect your home from snakes pick up the stick n hit it on the head.

There are 6 million armed tribesmen out there. How many will you kill?

 

[KingMamba]

Argh...How many times it has to be explained? Why do you guys don't get it?

He does not want to negotiate with TTP. He wants to negotiate with the TRIBES and win them over to his side to alienate and isolate TTP. Sounds like a good enough policy unless you believe that all tribesmen are terrorists.

No but you just implied that they are since if he is trying to win over the tribes that must mean the tribes are on the side of the TTP. However if they are not than he is either trying to negotiate with the foot soldiers who ALREADY are TTP or he is just wasting his time trying to win over tribes that already OPPOSE TTP. Based on various members posts on this forum it would seem the tribes are not fans of TTP which is why they already make up local lashkar to oppose them so it would appear Imran Khan is trying to negotiate with TTP in actuality.

 

[Husnainshah]

Tonight in Capital Talk with Hamid Mir, he'd say, If Pakistan excuses itself from the American war, most of the Mullahs shall vanish in thin air. Honestly, this hypocrite never ceases to amaze me.
Hamir Mir would repeatedly ask why'd Mullahs stop after either Pakistan abandons the Wot or America leaves the region, he'd simply duck the question.

I mean, C'mon man, it's an Ideological War. Either we embrace their way of life and turn into cavemen they are or these animals accept the constitution of Pakistan. It's simple as that.
Taliban Khan, however, wants ya to remain confused and in the meantime, he'd keep emphasizing on a multiple times failed approach like a F'in Peace Agreement with cavemen.