Imran Khan Announces to give Pak Citizenship to Afghan Refugees

[Kabira]

I support this and i think its long overdue. Children born in Pakistan, should be automatically citizens of the country. This is how it happens in every civilized nations.

Till now children born to refugees who have lived for decades in Pakistan are destined to live a miserable life. How is it fair that these children have no future and are mistreated and in many cases are exploited. And then people wonder why they resort to crimes and why they hate Pakistan.

This doesn't happen anywhere else. Name one country which give citizenship to any refugees let alone ones from enemy state.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Pakistan have government hospitals, schools, free medicines, medical insurance card, Benazir income support etc For all that you need Pakistani citizenship.

And Pakistan cannot afford burden millions of afghanis when it can't provide basic services to their own.

I don't think you get it... social safety nets are built in the system such as social security which pays from your retirement onwards, unemployment benefits which pay when you loose your job, Medicare which pays for healthcare benefits if you make less than a certain amount plus there is free education from K-12 .... that being said the only thing you are for is keep people who have been there either 30/40 years or were born there and know no other home and deny them rights! Besides overlooking any or all the benefits that come from it... either way if it does happen will only reaffirm Pakistan for what it is if not then you'll keep living the slumber with the simmering nationalism for outsiders to pounce on.

 

[Kabira]

I don't think you get it... social safety nets are built in the system such as social security which pays from your retirement onwards, unemployment benefits which pay when you loose your job, Medicare which pays for healthcare benefits if you make less than a certain amount plus there is free education from K-12 .... that being said the only thing you are for is keep people who have been there either 30/40 years or were born there and know no other home and deny them rights! Besides overlooking any or all the benefits that come from it... either way if it does happen will only reaffirm Pakistan for what it is if not then you'll keep living the slumber with the simmering nationalism for outsiders to pounce on.

Pakistan isn't Norway genius but that doesn't mean gov money isn't spent on welfare of people. Pakistan is poor 3rd world country that can't afford millions of new citizens to take care off. There is no benefits that come with afghanis, only more misery and terrorism, victim card etc. If you can find any afghani who's half as intelligent as monkey then give him nationality.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Pakistan isn't Norway genius but that doesn't mean gov money isn't spent on welfare of people. Pakistan is poor 3rd world country that can't afford millions of new citizens to take care off. There is no benefits that come with afghanis, only more misery and terrorism, victim card etc. If you can find any afghani who's half as intelligent as monkey then give him nationality.

Let me tell you dude... My neighbor is an Afghan guy and I must say I haven't met too many better people... besides what I have gathered from him is that there is little to no tangible difference between Afghans and Pakistanis... clothes, food, customs and more importantly even language and religion one of which you didn't share Bangladesh and guess where that is now? Next time you have to feed a hungry person feel privileged to do so... one reason why people can't get ahead is because they can't get ahead of themselves! When people will change their attitudes and treatment of other so will their own lives change... for the better!

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Its actually not a bad move at all....

People who are born in Pakistan and have never ever seen their country shud be given nationality like they are in pretty much every corner of the world....

Pakistanis go to west and get western nationality ... any child born in US gets US nationality.... what's different here

Plus Islam is an inclusive religion...

And pretty much every one who ruled the world have been ethnically very tolerant ... je it Muslim empires ... ottomans or USA today

they don't been accept Durand line as international border.
secondly it wasn't his mandate.
why don't he get Pakistanis in gulf , gulf nationalities?

 

[padamchen]

Hey guys look at my signature. Time to celebrate "Pakistan Ka Matlab? La Illaha Illallah" In Islam we are all Muslim brothers and sisters. In front of Allah we are one - the Ummah.

@padamchen What did I say to you?????

We both understand the man. What he's doing (using Bengalis) is no different to what was done when Pakistan was created.

The template has been set.

The goal very clear

Those crying now, and they are legion here, should first realize that it was always going to be the natural progression of things the day the idea of Pakistan reached out beyond the ethnogeographic boundaries of the Indic civilization and hobbled together a confederacy of the eastern most reaches of the Iranic one as well.

It was always overreach. And there were always going to be consequences.

You can no more return the Afghans today, as you could have pushed out the Muhajirs from 1947 till well into the mid 60s.

My two paise as a fascinated Indian.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kabira]

Let me tell you dude... My neighbor is an Afghan guy and I must say I haven't met too many better people... besides what I have gathered from him is that there is little to no tangible difference between Afghans and Pakistanis... clothes, food, customs and more importantly even language and religion one of which you didn't share Bangladesh and guess where that is now? Next time you have to feed a hungry person feel privileged to do so... one reason why people can't get ahead is because they can't get ahead of themselves! When people will change their attitudes and treatment of other so will their own lives change... for the better!

Dude you are American, you don't know but there is like day and night difference between Afghanis and Pakistanis. Pakistan in last 70 years have developed their own culture, mindset, identity in which afghanis are only there to create divisions. They still have not gotten over hangover of ancient times and claim our lands based on some centuries old empire which didn't even last 15 years, think about that for a moment. They call it abdali empire.

Obviously for average american difference isn't much between different brown muslim people, how racist of you.

Said this I'm willing to give those born in Pakistan till certain year nationality if they never went back and studied in Pakistan and can pass test of Pakistaniat. As these people will feel alien in Afghanistan, trust me. But only after there is full control on border between both countries. And only to certain afghanis, not everyone.

USA richest country on planet, one of largest, can accommodate 400 million more people and still maintain better lifestyle then vast majority of the world. Yet they are not willing to take single refugee.

We both understand the man. What he's doing (using Bengalis) is no different to what was done when Pakistan was created.

The template has been set.

The goal very clear

Those crying now, and they are legion here, should first realize that it was always going to be the natural progression of things the day the idea of Pakistan reached out beyond the ethnogeographic boundaries of the Indic civilization and hobbled together a confederacy of the eastern most reaches of the Iranic one as well.

It was always overreach. And there were always going to be consequences.

You can no more return the Afghans today, as you could have pushed out the Muhajirs from 1947 till well into the mid 60s.

My two paise as a fascinated Indian.

Cheers, Doc

This will not go through CCI, senate, parliament etc its just wishful thinking from Imran Khan. He also once wanted to open offices for taliban, he's like that. Very tribal mindset despite being PM of country, you can't do much about it. There has been huge increase in street crimes in Karachi, CM Sindh told him its because of afghanis. He obviously was quick to justify their crimes and put the blame on Pakistan state for not giving them nationalities.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Dude you are American, you don't know but there is like day and night difference between Afghanis and Pakistanis. Pakistan in last 70 years have developed their own culture, mindset, identity in which afghanis are only there to create divisions. They still have not gotten over hangover of ancient times and claim our lands based on some centuries old empire which didn't even last 15 years, think about that for a moment. They call it abdali empire.

Obviously for average american difference isn't much between different brown muslim people, how racist of you.

Said this I'm willing to give those born in Pakistan till certain year nationality if they never went back and studied in Pakistan and can pass test of Pakistaniat. As these people will feel alien in Afghanistan, trust me. But only after there is full control on border between both countries. And only to certain afghanis, not everyone.

USA richest country on planet, one of largest, can accommodate 400 million more people and still maintain better lifestyle then vast majority of the world. Yet they are not willing to take single refugee.

Guess what that neighbor of mine rented his place to none other than a Pakistani and gave him a job! Let that sink in... who(the Pakistanis) themselves immigrated less than 2 months ago with a whole family in tow. I'm moving along as I don't feel I have anything else to contribute. Good luck!

 

[padamchen]

Dude you are American, you don't know but there is like day and night difference between Afghanis and Pakistanis. Pakistan in last 70 years have developed their own culture, mindset, identity in which afghanis are only there to create divisions. They still have not gotten over hangover of ancient times and claim our lands based on some centuries old empire which didn't even last 15 years, think about that for a moment. They call it abdali empire.

Obviously for average american difference isn't much between different brown muslim people, how racist of you.

Said this I'm willing to give those born in Pakistan till certain year nationality if they never went back and studied in Pakistan and can pass test of Pakistaniat. As these people will feel alien in Afghanistan, trust me. But only after there is full control on border between both countries. And only to certain afghanis, not everyone.

USA richest country on planet, one of largest, can accommodate 400 million more people and still maintain better lifestyle then vast majority of the world. Yet they are not willing to take single refugee.



This will not go through CCI, senate, parliament etc its just wishful thinking from Imran Khan. He also once wanted to open offices for taliban, he's like that. Very tribal mindset despite being PM of country, you can't do much about it. There has been huge increase in street crimes in Karachi, CM Sindh told him its because of afghanis. He obviously was quick to justify their crimes and put the blame on Pakistan state for not giving them nationalities.

You guys (Punjabis) don't like this move for obvious reasons.

Imagine what your Pashtun and Baloch folk must have thought when millions of UP and Bihari Muslims streamed into Pakistan?

Remember, you have fraught lines on both your flanks.

It's what happens when a brand new entity is carved out on a brand new principle smack dab in the middle of an ancient land and people with millennia old set equations.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kabira]

Guess what that neighbor of mine rented his place to none other than a Pakistani and gave him a job! Let that sink in... who(the Pakistanis) themselves immigrated less than 2 months ago with a whole family in tow. I'm moving along as I don't feel I have anything else to contribute. Good luck!

I have no interest in your made up stories.

 

[insight-out]

This is a wise and brave decision that will have mid- to long-term benefits for Pakistan. People who are opposing this move fail to realize that these "undocumented" immigrants are a greater burden on the system and the country as they are now.

Regularizing their citizenship status will give the government a more complete picture when planning and providing services. As it stands, these people are an "unknown entity". Imagine planning transportation, water supply, electricity and housing with little to no knowledge of several hundred thousand (possibly millions) residents.

Lets face it, it is impossible to deport these people. Many of them have completely assimilated. And even if the government were to try and round them all up, put them in internment camps and deport them, it will be an expensive operation, will cause upheaval within the country, and will have significant negative repercussions at an international level.

So by regularizing their status, we are solving our own problems, and in the process earning their goodwill, and gaining the moral high ground.

 

[PDFChamp]

Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I am for their legalization because this is one alternative Pak had not yet tried. We hoped for stability in Af. so the refugees could return, but that's not going to happen in our lifetime. As IK pointed out, without legal paperwork, the refugees have to cut corners and commit crime just to survive.

In the US, we have this same issue with illegals from Mexico who cross over the border but don't have the paperwork. Sometimes they are forced to be in drug trafficking and smuggling to feed their families. Over 50,000 Americans die from drug overdose annually with an economic impact of USD $400 Billions every year.

Pak is really doing the right thing from Islamic perspective and for long term stability of the region. Pak is richer than most people realize; we can take care of these folks by changing our priorities. By legalizing Pak born youths, you will see crime go down and pool of people willing to commit terrorism on behalf of India also shrink.

 

[MultaniGuy]

If this is true, I think this is a good move. It will increase our influence among Afghanistanis.

 

[Kabira]

You guys (Punjabis) don't like this move for obvious reasons.

Imagine what your Pashtun and Baloch folk must have thought when millions of UP and Bihari Muslims streamed into Pakistan?

Remember, you have fraught lines on both your flanks.

It's what happens when a brand new entity is carved out on a brand new principle smack dab in the middle of an ancient land and people with millennia old set equations.

Cheers, Doc

They didn't feel anything. They were not affected by it, if anything they experience exodus of hindus from KP but no migration of muslims back in to replace them. Peshawar used to be hinko majority. UP muslims came and Sindhi hindus got out from Karachi . Simple formula of exchange of population. Same happened in punjab.

Punjab will make least noise about this issue. But inshallah baloch, sindhi and muhajir brothers will put some sense in to Imran Khan. You give million afghanis citizenship? Baloch are made in to minority overnight. Sindhis suddenly make much less % of Sindh population already. And muhajirs start to remember Altaf Hussain.

Indeed afghanis in Pakistan mean perpetual civil war, hybrid hindu parsi dream.

 

[PDFChamp]

Indeed afghanis in Pakistan mean perpetual civil war, hybrid hindu parsi dream.

Or, people can change their attitude and accept them so they can become productive members of the society.