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Today finally media expecting joint statement from PPP and PML (n) to impeach President Musharraf.

SLAMABAD - On a day of frantic political activity in the federal capital, the top leadership of the four-party ruling coalition reportedly reached a broad consensus on the device to force President Pervez Musharraf to quit or face impeachment but were stuck on the deadline for reinstatement of deposed judges.

While PPP Co-chairman Asif Zardari and PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif were closeted in intense deliberations on the second consecutive day for several hours to thrash out differences on certain points of a final declaration, President Musharraf spent a busy day meeting his allies and legal advisers to devise a counter strategy.

Musharraf told PML-Q President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain in their meeting that he would face the impeachment motion and strongly defend himself. “I will frustrate every attempt to push me to the wall,” Shujaat quoted Musharraf as saying.

Shujaat said the ruling coalition has raised the bogey of impeachment to deflect attention from its stark failures to run the affairs of the country. He said his party would stand by Musharraf to defeat the impeachment efforts.

Shujaat also refuted reports that Musharraf has cancelled his planned visit to China to attend the opening ceremony of Beijing Olympics.

He said the president will leave some time after midnight Wednesday though confusion continued to prevail about the exact timing of the departure. Aides said Musharraf will have an excellent chance to meet US President George Bush in Beijing and would not like to miss the opportunity to discuss the evolving situation in Pakistan. Asif Zardari, however, dropped plans to visit Beijing and instead has asked Bilawal to represent the PPP as its chairman. The two coalition leaders who met separately and also in the presence of senior party leaders were also joined by two other allies, Maulana Fazlur Rehman of JUI who attended part of the session and ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan who remained in touch on telephone from Aga Khan Hospital in Karachi.

The four leaders agreed to make a slight change in an earlier decision reached between Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari in their meeting on Tuesday.

Instead of asking Musharraf to seek a vote of confidence from parliament, resolutions would be adopted in all four provincial assemblies declaring that Musharraf is not a constitutionally elected president and does not enjoy the trust of the four federating units.
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Another opportunity for Bilawal to chug a few kegs while he is out Partying..oops I mean representing PPP in China. ;)
 
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Heres the latest report from the BBC: BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Impeachment threat for Musharraf

Impeachment threat for Musharraf

Pakistan's ruling coalition parties say they have agreed "in principle" to start impeachment proceedings against President Pervez Musharraf.

Party representatives are said to be looking at a draft impeachment resolution, but further details about how it may proceed were not available.

The president's allies were defeated in elections in February, but he has so far resisted pressure to quit.

Latest reports say Mr Musharraf has cancelled a trip to the Olympics.

News agencies quoted the foreign ministry as saying Prime Minister Yousef Raza Gilani would attend the Games' opening ceremony in Beijing instead.

But there has been no confirmation from the president's office.

Correspondents say the question of whether or not to impeach Mr Musharraf has threatened to divide the coalition.

Asif Ali Zardari's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) formed an alliance with the PML-N of former Prime Minister Narwaz Sharif after defeating Mr Musharraf's political allies in February.

But they have since been split over the issues of presidential impeachment and the reinstatement of judges sacked by President Musharraf during a state of emergency in November.

Exactly what course of action Mr Sharif and Mr Zardari have decided to take is expected to be announced at a joint news conference later.

New territory

The BBC's Mark Dummett in Islamabad says an impeachment would take Pakistani politics into new territory since no Pakistani leader has faced impeachment before.

There has been no response from the president himself, but his supporters in parliament have said they will fight any attempt to remove him.

The PPP and PML-N coalition parties do not have the two-thirds majority needed to pass an impeachment resolution, so would need opposition support.

Correspondents say some opposition parties do not support impeachment and nor do some members of the PPP itself - so there is scepticism that such a majority could be reached.

The president has previously said he would prefer to resign than face impeachment.

Last year, he gave up control of the army, the country's most powerful institution, but he retains the power to dissolve parliament.

How the military reacts to any efforts to oust him would be crucial in determining his fate.


The steps to impeachment would be:

1) Impeachment proposers need 50% majority in Senate or National Assembly

2) President given notice of impeachment, and has three days to respond

3) Joint session of Senate and Assembly must be held between 7 and 14 days later to investigate charges

4) If resolution presented, joint session must approve with two-thirds majority

Things are hotting up and yet again to further their own Political agendas Zardari and Sharif are going to humiliate their nation and Pakistans national interest.

If Musharraf does leave then the real games to assert power will finally begin leading the country into an uncertain but definitely unstable future.
 
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Heres the latest report from the BBC: BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Impeachment threat for Musharraf




The steps to impeachment would be:

1) Impeachment proposers need 50% majority in Senate or National Assembly

2) President given notice of impeachment, and has three days to respond

3) Joint session of Senate and Assembly must be held between 7 and 14 days later to investigate charges

4) If resolution presented, joint session must approve with two-thirds majority

Things are hotting up and yet again to further their own Political agendas Zardari and Sharif are going to humiliate their nation and Pakistans national interest.

If Musharraf does leave then the real games to assert power will finally begin leading the country into an uncertain but definitely unstable future.

my gut feeling is that he will go quietly because he does not want to hurt pakistan in any way!
 
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if u r seeing the press conference - what a classless lot!
 
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Here is an addition to the BBC article following the press conference with Zardari and Sharif:

Mr Zardari, of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP), and the PML-N's Narwaz Sharif announced the impeachment move at a press conference in Islamabad. Mr Zardari said: "We have good news for democracy. The coalition believes it is imperative to move for impeachment against General Musharraf."

Mr Zardari, the widower of assassinated former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, derided Mr Musharraf's economic policies, adding: "He has worked to undermine the transition to democracy."

He also warned Mr Musharraf not to dissolve parliament, saying: "If he does it, it will be his last verdict against the people."

Mr Sharif said: "Pakistan cannot afford to see democracy derailed, this is not the same Pakistan as was the case in the 1980s and 1990s. People will not accept it now."


Source: BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Musharraf faces impeachment bid

These two slimes wouldn't know what democracy is even if it bit them on the a-s-s and to see them sitting smug like announcing their diabolical plan just made my skin crawl.

What I really want to know is how the Army will respond to this.
 
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my gut feeling is that he will go quietly because he does not want to hurt pakistan in any way!

Sir,

I think his leaving at this juncture would work against the interests of Pakistan. The Armed Forces need a voice in the corridors of power and Musharraf is the only one who can act in this capacity. In his absence, the Army may take over once again.

Zardari cannot be allowed to have his way. If he is, then we surely are on our way to meet disaster. This is no longer about democracy. The one who should be leading democractically (I.E. PM) is completely out of the picture. These actions of Zardari would lead into him becoming another civilian dictator as was the case with ZAB and then NS during his second stint.
 
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Why impeach, too much process, Musharraf will be asked to take the vote of confidence from all present assembles, and if he has majority he stays if he doesn't he leaves, simple however, musharraf being the coward he is has not showed his face in Parliament since the newly elected government came, I doubt he will show up any how to it now, he is too afraid to here his anti slogans and few lashes of boots hitting him.
 
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Why impeach, too much process, Musharraf will be asked to take the vote of confidence from all present assembles, and if he has majority he stays if he doesn't he leaves, simple however, musharraf being the coward he is has not showed his face in Parliament since the newly elected government came, I doubt he will show up any how to it now, he is too afraid to here his anti slogans and few lashes of boots hitting him.

:) Sir thats the question to ponder that does PPP has he numbers in parliament to send Musharraf home by deafeting him over vote of confidence ???

If it was the case then why all the fuss about it, PPP could have sent him long time ago.


BTW can anyone tell me when is Musharraf coming back ????

as there was a news in Indian newspaper that PPP member said Musharraf would be impeached on August 11.
 
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Why impeach, too much process, Musharraf will be asked to take the vote of confidence from all present assembles, and if he has majority he stays if he doesn't he leaves, simple however, musharraf being the coward he is has not showed his face in Parliament since the newly elected government came, I doubt he will show up any how to it now, he is too afraid to here his anti slogans and few lashes of boots hitting him.

Its not cowardice, its stupidity to show up in front of imbeciles dressed up like parliamentarians. If they can't deal with his speech in a mature fashion, why would any sane person go through the ordeal of talking in front of these dunces?

Also with things the way they are, its time to close ranks and not be divided over the domestic mess. We have huge external challenges facing us. Currently Pakistan's stability and survival as a viable state is threatened. So it is a little beyond the usual, PML-Q/Musharraf vs PML-N/PPP deal.
 
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If Musharraf does leave then the real games to assert power will finally begin leading the country into an uncertain but definitely unstable future.

Infect, power struggle was always fiercely fought behind the curtains.
PML-N is demanding removal of Salman Taseer and PPP was negotiating lately with PML-Q for ouster of Shebaz Sharif.
After Musharraf it will only go worse.
 
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Editorial: How to impeach the president

The two mainstream parties of the ruling coalition in Islamabad — the PPP and the PMLN — have decided to consult their other two partners, the ANP and JUIF, before making a move to impeach and remove President Pervez Musharraf from his office. The “make-or-break” meeting between Mr Asif Ali Zardari and Mr Nawaz Sharif on Tuesday in Islamabad resulted in the decision to go ahead with impeachment under Article 47 of the Constitution. For the first time, the body language of the leaders indicated that the PMLN was satisfied with what it was getting out of the “summit” discussion.

The PPP has been complaining of “interference” from the Presidency for some time, though not with the same intensity as the PMLN in Punjab. The position may have changed a bit now because the PPP is also toying with the idea of having its own man in the presidency. The level of unhappiness or dissatisfaction was revealed by Mr Zardari during an interview with Business Plus TV channel aired the same day. He stated bluntly that the government of Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani was finding the president an obstacle in governance. When pushed to be more specific, he said the government would like to replace the Chief Commissioner and Governor of the State Bank but was hampered in this by the president. Apparently, the president is also dragging his feet on Mr Zardari’s nominee for the ambassadorship of the UAE, a position currently held by a friend of the president who also served in the caretaker administration.

It develops that the Governor of the State Bank, Ms Shamshad Akhtar, may have offended the government by making public the sum which his government had borrowed from the State Bank against good sense as it notched up the deficit and stoked inflation. Mr Zardari said the most recent Rs 50 billion had to be borrowed because his government had to pay off the oil companies whose dues had not been cleared by the Musharraf government. Because of non-payment, the companies were unable to supply oil for the production of electricity and power producers were unable to pay the suppliers. He seemed unhappy that this economic measure of last resort was shown to the public as an “excess”by the State Bank governor.


On Wednesday, Dr Pervez Tahir, chief economist of the Planning Commission from 2000 to 2006, brought out the supposed bias of the Governor in blinking the much bigger borrowings by governments before the PPP coalition took over in 2008. He wrote: “In November-December 2007 alone, the State Bank allowed the government to borrow Rs178bn. And now it is becoming restless because the new government in its first month borrowed Rs33bn. The consequences of the failure to act in July 2007 are being projected as problems that the democratic alliance does not have the competence to deal with. The plot continues to thicken.”

In any case, presidential impeachment may be easier said than done. There is uncertainty in certain quarters about the impeachment in terms of numbers and procedure. While many lawyers are agreed that impeachment can go ahead, some point to the difficulties of preparing a charge sheet according to the Constitution which pins the parliament down to one or all of the following three presidential culpabilities: 1) unfitness to hold the office due to incapacity, 2) guilt of violating the Constitution, 3) gross misconduct. The partisans of this view hold that the President’s actions violating the Constitution in 1999 and 2007 through military rule were validated by the Supreme Court; therefore, the charge sheet will be seriously challenged.

The question of numbers has never been very clear. The PPP itself had earlier declared on a number of occasions that the coalition did not have the two-thirds vote required for impeachment in a joint parliamentary session. Also, the PMLQ and the MQM cannot be expected to support the move and their position will not change visibly in the interim. Of course, rumours have been afoot about the development of overt and covert “forward blocs” within the PMLQ, and that the PMLN has been quietly encouraging them. Therefore, if the PMLQ can be broken, and if the ANP and JUIF persuaded to go along, then the numbers may not be out of range. But these are two big ifs.

But there are other issues that are less clear. Does the PPP really want the quick exit of Mr Musharraf even if it leads to a stampede of the PMLQ into the arms of the PMLN and weakens the balance of power between the PMLN and PPP? How will the SC packed with Musharraf loyalists react to the impeachment when it knows that it will be on the hit list of the PMLN next? Will the president sit back and let the PPP-PMLN grab the MNAs and Senators or will he throw the ISI and MI into the game and thwart them by wooing the ANP and JUIF?

Let us be clear about how the forces are stacked at the moment before we jump to any conclusions. The PMLN and President Musharraf are true foes in the sense that they can’t share power under any circumstances. The PPP is in the middle, it wants the president to go but it doesn’t want the PMLN to gain advantage out of it, and thus far it has been trying to survive by balancing one off against the other. The ANP has its hands full in combating terrorism in its province and needs the army and ISI on its right side. The JUIF is looking over its shoulder to see which way the wind blows. So we have the President, Army, ISI, MQM and PMLQ on one side, fully united, and the PMLN, the PPP, the lawyers’ movement and most Pakistanis on the other, with one critical qualification — the lawyers’ movement is fatigued and lacks the potency of last year, while “the people” are not ready to risk their necks for their anti-Musharraf beliefs. The Supreme Court, ANP and JUIF are seemingly in the middle but their short term interests are more likely to be tilted in favour of the former than the latter.

If President Musharraf cancels his China visit, it will mean he takes this threat seriously and is going to quickly rally his forces. If he shrugs and goes to China, it will mean he isn’t worried.
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Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


"and most Pakistanis on the other,"

I still have my doubts about this claim. Most people are realizing that the Musharraf impeachment is simply a distraction from the real issues that the current government is grossly incapable of dealing with.
 
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Dear members please post your assesment and suggestions


How should Musharraf respond to current crisis to save the country from further chaos



1. Revoke NRO

2. Use 58 2B

3. Anounce fresh elections in 3 months

4. Arrest Zardari
 
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:) Sir thats the question to ponder that does PPP has he numbers in parliament to send Musharraf home by deafeting him over vote of confidence ???

If it was the case then why all the fuss about it, PPP could have sent him long time ago.

I'lll tell you this that they do have the number.


I thought that it would be better for Musharraf to take the vote confidance, this offer has been put forward, it would be respectfull if he takes the vote of confidance, other wise he will be humiliated by an impeachment order.
 
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Why impeach, too much process, Musharraf will be asked to take the vote of confidence from all present assembles, and if he has majority he stays if he doesn't he leaves, simple
You just asked for it, all issues resolved. very wise indeed!
May I ask, what took you so long?

however, musharraf being the coward he is has not showed his face in Parliament since the newly elected government came
Coward are those who faked the will of dead and will flee the country when it is not profitable any more! Why aclaim assylum from foreign countries?
Musharraf is the bravest man on earth he will fight for the Pakistan.
Parliament without ministers? A parliament who's only work is to take salary and issue clean chits to criminals?
Parliament should work for the development of state not misuse his authority and distribute 10$dollars form forex reserves, among political activists.

, I doubt he will show up any how to it now, he is too afraid to here his anti slogans and few lashes of boots hitting him.
UN-civilized; that's what political activists are? Humiliation to state that's what they are paid to do by anti-state elements!
Go Zar-Pujari Go.
 
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