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IMF: China nominal per-capita GDP highest among BRIC in 2016

Congrats to India and China. Seems our sanctions is doing wonders for Russia' economy.:rofl:
Will teach Putin a good lesson for messing with E.U/U.S at the same time. Even China has now overtaken Russia in GDP per capital, now that's shocking for Russia indeed.:lol:
Hope u can proceed the sanction, best for China.
 
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Hope u can proceed the sanction, best for China.
Not just that bro. But the most humiliating thing for Russia that at this rate if Putin continues with his aggressive actions of daring the U.S and E.U(the worlds two leading powers) then expect Turkey and Indonesia to overtake Russia economically less than 2-3 years from now. :agree: Now that will be interesting.:enjoy:

We can bring down Russia without firing a single shot, just like we did with the else-while Soviet Union who was far more powerful than the small current Russia. So Putin shouldn't overplay his hands and think he can come out victorious in case of any geo political/economicconflict with the E.U and U.S at the same time.:D
 
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Not just that bro. But the most humiliating thing for Russia that at this rate if Putin continues with his aggressive actions of daring the U.S and E.U(the worlds two leading powers) then expect Turkey and Indonesia to overtake Russia economically less than 2-3 years from now. :agree: Now that will be interesting.:enjoy:

We can bring down Russia without firing a single shot, just like we did with the else-while Soviet Union who was far more powerful than the small current Russia. So Putin shouldn't overplay his hands and think he can come out victorious in case of any geo political/economicconflict with the E.U and U.S at the same time.:D

And even Mexico at $9,592 and remember people are risking their lives fleeing Mexico.
 
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Not just that bro. But the most humiliating thing for Russia that at this rate if Putin continues with his aggressive actions of daring the U.S and E.U(the worlds two leading powers) then expect Turkey and Indonesia to overtake Russia economically less than 2-3 years from now. :agree: Now that will be interesting.:enjoy:

We can bring down Russia without firing a single shot, just like we did with the else-while Soviet Union who was far more powerful than the small current Russia. So Putin shouldn't overplay his hands and think he can come out victorious in case of any geo political/economicconflict with the E.U and U.S at the same time.:D
What Russia has suffered also affects Europe. Standing closer to US just makes EU sink faster. What you are suffering in European continent is radical social structural changes in the near future.
 
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And even Mexico at $10,700..and remember people are risking their lives fleeing Mexico.

LOOL True talk, Mexico has a higher GDP per capital than Russia and all BRICS countries, but even then Mexicans are dying to immigrate to the U.S. So i can imagine Russians conditions if they now have a lower(and decreasing) GDP per capital than Mexico. No wonder Russians(the rich/wealthy ones included) are increasingly immigrating here with each passing year. Hopefully they wont start flocking in huge numbers here like those immigrants from the middle east and Africa.:D:P
Wealthy Russians flocking to London on investor visas
Rise in rich Russians moving to the UK - Home Office figures | City A.M.
Why are Russians moving to Britain? - Telegraph
UK Immigration: Russian Investors Settling in the UK

What Russia has suffered also affects Europe. Standing closer to US just makes EU sink faster. What you are suffering in European continent is radical social structural changes in the near future.

We in Britain are doing just fine with Russia's current condition. Putin is overestimating Russia power, so we just need to teach him a good lesson. His aggressive action in Eastern Europe(from Georgia to Ukraine) need to be met with a Euroean response, and as Europe leading powers France and Britain need to take the lead in reassuring other European countries about Russia aggression.
If Russia was doing the same thing in China/East Asia you too will be doing the same thing as Europe. Just because Russia isn't an immediate threat to China FOR NOW, doesn't means you should overlook their own aggressive actions just because you are 'strategic partners' for the time being.lol

So dont worry about us, we in Britain are doing just fine even with the current stuation.:enjoy:

UK economic growth revised up to 3.2% - BBC News
UK economy records fastest growth since 2007 - BBC News
UK economy picks up speed as job growth booms - Telegraph
US economic growth picks up to 2.3% - BBC News
Britain 'will become biggest economy in Europe' - Telegraph

A resilient country.:cheers:
 
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LOOL True talk, Mexico has a higher GDP per capital than Russia and all BRICS countries, but even then Mexicans are dying to immigrate to the U.S. So i can imagine Russians conditions if they now have a lower(and decreasing) GDP per capital than Mexico. No wonder Russians(the rich/wealthy ones included) are increasingly immigrating here with each passing year. Hopefully they wont start flocking in huge numbers here like those immigrants from the middle east and Africa.:D:P
Wealthy Russians flocking to London on investor visas
Rise in rich Russians moving to the UK - Home Office figures | City A.M.
Why are Russians moving to Britain? - Telegraph
UK Immigration: Russian Investors Settling in the UK

Russia will not be a small player, the country possess a strong intellectual and industrial base while also holding ridiculous reserves of extractable fuels and minerals. Dollar values be dammed when you possess a country as large as Russia. Real estate and land - its the one thing people dont make more of these days.

If only Qing or even Ming China expanded northwards and take what is now the Russian far east.

Relegating Russia to be grouped with the likes of Turkey is simply improper and daft.
 
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Russia will not be a small player, the country possess a strong intellectual and industrial base while also holding ridiculous reserves of extractable fuels and minerals. Dollar values be dammed when you possess a country as large as Russia. Real estate and land - its the one thing people dont make more of these days.

If only Qing or even Ming China expanded northwards and take what is now the Russian far east.

Relegating Russia to be grouped with the likes of Turkey is simply improper and daft.
True. Ultimately it's size that matters. The temporary wealth concentration in Europa is odd. It won't last long. U.S. is teaching some lessons to Russia, so is to Europe.
 
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It's a insult to Brazil and Russia...And the other countries.....
I dont feel happy with the thread...
 
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HEY!
stop trolls,it makes u so strange in this thread...
Post something that is of more use.
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24:00 right now!

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so..what?
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Okay, I'll do the number-crunching for you.

China's nominal per-capita GDP grew from $7,571 (2014) to $8,280 (2015).

($8,280 - $7,571) / $7,571 = 9.4% year-over-year growth in Chinese nominal per-capita GDP

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China's nominal GDP grew from $10.356 trillion (2014) to $11.385 trillion (2015).

($11.385 trillion - $10.356 trillion) / $10.356 trillion = 9.94% year-over-year growth in Chinese nominal GDP


9.4% is nominal growth rate, not real growth rate, nominal growth rate include inflation. The 7% growth rate released by Chinese govt is real growth.
 
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Thats what massive depreciation of currency does to a country when you are talking about Nominal GDP terms in dollars (or more generally a currency that is not your own).

This is why there is a big flaw in using Nominal GDP measure especially for countries not reliant on trade with US dollar (as % of their economy) especially from an import/consumption perspective.

If you look at their GDP and per capita in their local currency (Ruble), they are not halving like they are in US dollars:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

You will also notice their PPP did not halve either....again showing relatively minimal importance of US-dollar dependent imports, services and dollar based external investment to the Russian Economy.

It's not like Russia is producing half the quantity amount of every good and service it did from a year previous...the price of those goods and services has taken a major hit in US dollar terms (but not ruble terms anywhere close to the same degree) because of market sentiment, speculation and western pressure/sanctions (that helped to trigger the first capital flight situation in late 2014).

Russia recovered from that in early 2015 which resulted in IMF giving a more rosy situation for Russian Nominal GDP in US dollars in their April release of the WEO figures.

However there was another USD/RUB crash recently which has again affected the outlook for this parameter.

Refer to:

XE.com - USD/RUB Chart

This is also why there is no serious economic article that said Russia is in a reccession to the level of 50% and also why there is no massive rioting/revolution on the street which would inevitably happen if people's purchasing power actually dropped 50% in a year.

You will notice a similar trend for Brazil:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

XE.com - USD/BRL Chart

with depreciation of Russian currency, many imported products become expensive in terms of Russian currency, like electronic products(TV, Smartphones), cars, food, blabla. this will also push Russia's price to grow. For example, the price for telecom equipments and maintenance will go up and their telecom services will be more expensive. When imported food become expensive, restaurants have to increase their price. blabla
 
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with depreciation of Russian currency, many imported products become expensive in terms of Russian currency, like electronic products(TV, Smartphones), cars, food, blabla. this will also push Russia's price to grow.

In theory you are correct if they play a large role in Russia's overall conusmption. However out of the large Russian Economy, they import about 300 billion USD total in 2014 (and it may halve this year). That too large amounts of this trade were conducted/are being conducted in Ruble/other currencies where the depreciation effect was not so terrible.

In fact to have a proper picture we need to do a weighted trade study by % trade relevance to get a better picture on the effect on Russia's WPI and CPI from increased import cost (and not just go by RUB/USD depreciation % since this trade is not 100% of Russia's trade by currency).

The impact has also been mitigated by Russia's forex reserves they have accumulated over the commodity/oil boom preceding this year....since the stockpiles of USD and other major countries can be released at the appropriate rate rather than solely using the Ruble to continuously convert into fresh USD/Yen/Euro/Yuan etc...This is why you can see the Russian total forex dropped from about 450 Billion USD in total to about 320 billion USD at its lowest.

Cheaper currency through depreciation also makes a country's exports cheaper on world markets helping to offset the impact of more expensive imports. However Russia is dependent on commodity exports so cannot take much advantage of this. But they are not a super-reliant country on trade %wise.

All this means IMF has predicted relatively low inflation for Russian consumer:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

An average of about 6% yearly till 2020. So an assumption/implication that everyday prices in Rubles will somehow shoot up to the same extent that the Ruble has depreciated versus foreign currencies is plain wrong.

So combined with the GDP still holding and even growing in Ruble terms and purchasing power impacted very marginally...the situation is not so full of doom like some are painting here.

Nominal GDP measured in US dollars has limited use when domestic consumption and investment are concerned.

When you have high export/re-export/import reliant countries where trade forms more than 50% of GDP and even more than 100% and 200% in cases like HK, Singapore, Malaysia....yes these countries are very prone to depreciation and capital flight from market jitters and speculation (look at asian financial crisis for example). China is not so extreme like this but it is definitely up there given the economic model it has pursued over the last few decades and the resulting economic structure that is only now slowly transitioning (somewhat inevitably).

This is also part of the reason China Nominal USD figures look good compared to its PPP and the reverse is true for other countries where their trade situation/integration has been affected due to mass depreciation (Russia, Brazil) or where the trade situation/integration is still in an earlier phase of development (India).

I will repeat it again for all that think Western Sanctions have had a massive effect on Russia. Yes you have hit their elites where it hurts in many places...and you have hit the aggregate of their economy measured in US dollars (which is not a Russian currency however)....but the Russian economy in Ruble terms remains stable and solid for the average consumer...they have entered recession but it has been mitigated by low inflation, solid stable purchasing power and inner resilience of economic fundamentals and forex reserves.

Does the average Russian care so much about his/her economy now being ranked/valued much lower in USD terms? Only if they are holding massive amounts of captive wealth that they dont spend (aka elite) and which they traditionally use to buy foreign currencies etc...and they are a tiny fraction of the population.

Russia and Brazil have so far managed the impact of this recession for the large part of their domestic society which is why their purchasing power has not degraded by any significant amount....neither are they experiencing massive inflation.

Those 2 things are much more important to the common person than how much their rubles are worth in US dollars...and where their economy ranks in US dollars. With these 2 things under control in both countries....is the reason you dont see major rioting and revolution...and why Russia even has the political and economic buffer to wage war in Ukraine and now Syria.

It's a insult to Brazil and Russia...And the other countries.....
I dont feel happy with the thread...

Hope this post helps!:-)
 
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i see, in contrast with other perceptions about Indonesia, most people see Indonesia is an agricultural country and depends lot of her share GDP from extraction business, but actually Indonesia is an emerging industrial country and have a lot emerging local industry rising from the ashes of 1998 economic crisis.

I didn't discuss agriculture sector because the main determining factor for agriculture sector's size is the nation's population. Sure, if the country has too little farmable land like Japan or Korea, then the sector can be small even though the country has a large population, but obviously that is not the case for Indonesia. With close to 2 million square km of land and the fourth largest population on earth, Indonesia is expected to have a large agriculture industry regardless of the level of development.
 
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