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YOu are just against yourself.. dont you see you conflicting yourself? There is nothing shameful in being a Hindu or any religion. Just be yourself.
Illegal Migration to India - Loops And Holes In The Narrative
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YOu are just against yourself.. dont you see you conflicting yourself? There is nothing shameful in being a Hindu or any religion. Just be yourself.
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Multiply !!!
Yahi to karna aata hai indian muslims ko. kabhi education par bhi dhyaan de do. multiplication was concept of 7thy century. plz plz plz come out of 7th century mindset. Sabka bhala ho jaaega. If you really wanna know, hear it, THE BIGGEST REASON MUSLIMS ARE SO DISLIKED IN SUBCONTINENT IS COZ OF THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARDS PROMOTING MULTIPLICATION.
and the reason for that multiplication hurts a common hindu's sentiments even more.
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All Bangladeshi readers r shocked after reading so many anti Bangladeshi comments...
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It is not hard to understand why the country with the largest number of toiletless people, the largest number of illiterate and hungry people, the country where people believe in Sati Daha or Deva Dasi practises or the verdicts of their Nanga Sadhus without questioning would also believe in these self-flattering myths propagated by Hindutva extremists to make themselves look important.
To better understand the logical, analytical capabilities of that populace, I request any sane reader to view the following clip. You would learn a thing or two about "Indian laws of Physics" which allow all sorts of fantastic spectacles without any of the gullible populace ever questioning them.
Top 5 Bollywood Fight Scenes - YouTube
None of my acquaintances (both foreign and Bangladeshi) who have watched this could hold back from bursting out in laughter.
To better understand the logical, analytical capabilities of that populace, I request any sane reader to view the following clip. You would learn a thing or two about "Indian laws of Physics" which allow all sorts of fantastic spectacles without any of the gullible populace ever questioning them.
Top 5 Bollywood Fight Scenes - YouTube
None of my acquaintances (both foreign and Bangladeshi) who have watched this could hold back from bursting out in laughter.
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Outlook should have been more careful, as these bdiots wouldn't understand that bleeding heart liberal Outlook is blaming the Indian politicians for making BD scapegoat of their failures. They can't match the subtlety of Poont Koira Dimu after all.
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BBC News - Why the violence in Assam is not communal
By Anjum Hasan
Novelist
The tragedy unfolding in the Indian state of Assam over the past month - the killing of nearly 100 people, mostly Bangladeshi Muslim settlers in lower Assam, and the displacement of others in hundreds of thousands - is not without precedent.
In February 1983, more than 2,000 men, women and children - all Bengali-speaking Muslims and allegedly illegal immigrants from Bangladesh - were killed in a single morning of violence in Nellie, a small town in the Nagaon district of Assam.
One paradox about the violence both then and now is this: those who kill allege they are targeting illegal immigrants and yet a long-running complaint of the Assamese people is that the state's successive governments have failed to create proper systems of identification. How is an illegal immigrant to be distinguished from a Bengali Muslim resident of Assam?
A second paradox is evident in how some Muslims in the rest of the country have viewed the recent violence as an attack on fellow Muslims rather than on unwelcome guests from a neighbouring country.
While the Bodo community in Assam's Kokrajhar district - where most of the recent violence has taken place - does battle with the Bangladeshis over issues of land and livelihood, the crowds in faraway Mumbai who staged a protest on 11 August against the killings in Assam and then ran amok, killing two people and injuring several more, claimed to be acting on behalf of their suffering Muslim brethren.
Given that the conflict has largely come to be seen in terms of "Muslims versus north-easterners" (rather than, for instance, Assamese versus Bangladeshis), where does it leave Assam's approximately 9 million Muslims? And how does it feel to be both north-eastern and Muslim?
I put the question to Tabris Ahmed who lives in the city of Shillong, one of the region's multi-ethnic hubs and the capital of the state of Meghalaya.
Mr Ahmed is a successful 40-year-old lawyer who belongs to a small community of Manipuri Muslims called Pangan.
'Incredible diversity'
The Pangans live in the largely Hindu state of Manipur, as well as in Assam and Tripura states and in Bangladesh. There are also a handful of Pangan families in Shillong.
As I sit with Mr Ahmed in his small living room, made even smaller by its lining of forbiddingly thick law books, I realise that, given the incredible diversity of background and experience in the region, the general question about being a north-eastern Muslim can only be answered in very specific terms.
Mr Ahmed's parents are from Banskandi, a village near the Assam border with Manipur. His father belongs to a family of imams and arrived in Shillong in 1961 after a religious education at the famous Darul Uloom seminary in Deoband. He became the maulvi [Muslim priest] of one of Shillong's mosques and remained so till his death in 2003.
He sent his sons to one of Shillong's many English-medium Christian missionary schools and none of them took up a religious career. But the family continues to live close to the mosque as they did in the Maulvi Sahib's time, and Mr Ahmed, who is vice-president of the mosque committee, talks with a sense of responsibility about "taking care of the namazis [Muslim faithful]".
When the talk turns to the situation in Assam, Mr Ahmed makes a very clear distinction between those Bengali Muslim migrants who have the historical right to live in the state (their ancestors having arrived there before the 1971 creation of the nation of Bangladesh, or even before 1947 when the state of East Bengal was a part of India), and those who have stolen across the border in search of a livelihood.
And the border is porous, he says, and the guards easy to bribe.
Mr Ahmed is convinced that there is large-scale migration of Bangladeshis into Assam and that this must be stemmed.
Underlying these views is his faith in himself as a "liberal Muslim" and a patriotic Indian - someone who will, for example, always support the Indian team and not the Pakistani during a cricket match.
Mr Ahmed regularly travels across the country to visit relatives and friends and his patriotism is not dented by his repeated discovery of his countrymen's shocking ignorance about the basic geography of the north-east or the names of its main cities.
"They don't know about us," he says, "while we in school learn about the whole country."
Multiple identities
When I ask Mr Ahmed about his roots, he does not talk of Manipur or Assam but describes himself as a "Shillongite".
Thousands of north-easterners fled Bangalore after rumours spread they would be attacked
He is fluent in a number of Shillong's many languages - Khasi, Hindi, English, Bengali, Assamese as well as his native Meiteilon. He describes the city as a welcoming place and one where he has always felt at home.
He has made a choice - just as his father did in leaving that village and settling in Shillong. In choosing for himself, Mr Ahmed is cosmopolitan.
At the same time, he has a very sure sense of himself as belonging to a Muslim community that has a right to live in Assam.
Unlike the protesters in Mumbai who rioted over the killing of their fellow Muslims, Mr Ahmed does not subscribe to the idea of an international Muslim brotherhood.
He says that certified Indian Muslims like him are in a position to help the government of Assam identify and deport illegal immigrants. "It is easy for us to tell who is a long-term resident and who isn't," he says.
Mr Ahmed is many things at once - Manipuri, Assamese, Shillongite, Muslim, north-eastern, Indian.
In negotiating these multiple identities with ease, he gives lie to the dichotomous way in which the Assam conflict has been portrayed.
But as a middle-class professional who could live and work anywhere in the country, he is far removed from the victims of the violence in Nellie then and Kokrajhar now - largely the poor who either live off the land or work at manual jobs.
Similarly, along with the students who recently fled back home to the north-east, there were also many who work as contract labour in the service industry - security guards, waiters, hairdressers - those whose sense of insecurity in mainland India is compounded by their precarious economic situation.
To view the fight over Assam as a communal one, therefore, is to wilfully ignore the poverty of those both waging this battle and dying in it.
As so often happens in conflicts of this nature, the fundamental issues are obscured by the spectacle of violence driven by the logic of "an eye for an eye".
In this case, the culpability of a government that first allows impoverished immigrants to illegally enter a state already wracked with issues of underdevelopment, and then turns a blind eye to their murder, is what the nation's attention should be wholly focused on.
Anjum Hasan is a novelist and books editor at The Caravan magazine
By Anjum Hasan
Novelist
The tragedy unfolding in the Indian state of Assam over the past month - the killing of nearly 100 people, mostly Bangladeshi Muslim settlers in lower Assam, and the displacement of others in hundreds of thousands - is not without precedent.
In February 1983, more than 2,000 men, women and children - all Bengali-speaking Muslims and allegedly illegal immigrants from Bangladesh - were killed in a single morning of violence in Nellie, a small town in the Nagaon district of Assam.
One paradox about the violence both then and now is this: those who kill allege they are targeting illegal immigrants and yet a long-running complaint of the Assamese people is that the state's successive governments have failed to create proper systems of identification. How is an illegal immigrant to be distinguished from a Bengali Muslim resident of Assam?
A second paradox is evident in how some Muslims in the rest of the country have viewed the recent violence as an attack on fellow Muslims rather than on unwelcome guests from a neighbouring country.
While the Bodo community in Assam's Kokrajhar district - where most of the recent violence has taken place - does battle with the Bangladeshis over issues of land and livelihood, the crowds in faraway Mumbai who staged a protest on 11 August against the killings in Assam and then ran amok, killing two people and injuring several more, claimed to be acting on behalf of their suffering Muslim brethren.
Given that the conflict has largely come to be seen in terms of "Muslims versus north-easterners" (rather than, for instance, Assamese versus Bangladeshis), where does it leave Assam's approximately 9 million Muslims? And how does it feel to be both north-eastern and Muslim?
I put the question to Tabris Ahmed who lives in the city of Shillong, one of the region's multi-ethnic hubs and the capital of the state of Meghalaya.
Mr Ahmed is a successful 40-year-old lawyer who belongs to a small community of Manipuri Muslims called Pangan.
'Incredible diversity'
The Pangans live in the largely Hindu state of Manipur, as well as in Assam and Tripura states and in Bangladesh. There are also a handful of Pangan families in Shillong.
As I sit with Mr Ahmed in his small living room, made even smaller by its lining of forbiddingly thick law books, I realise that, given the incredible diversity of background and experience in the region, the general question about being a north-eastern Muslim can only be answered in very specific terms.
Mr Ahmed's parents are from Banskandi, a village near the Assam border with Manipur. His father belongs to a family of imams and arrived in Shillong in 1961 after a religious education at the famous Darul Uloom seminary in Deoband. He became the maulvi [Muslim priest] of one of Shillong's mosques and remained so till his death in 2003.
He sent his sons to one of Shillong's many English-medium Christian missionary schools and none of them took up a religious career. But the family continues to live close to the mosque as they did in the Maulvi Sahib's time, and Mr Ahmed, who is vice-president of the mosque committee, talks with a sense of responsibility about "taking care of the namazis [Muslim faithful]".
When the talk turns to the situation in Assam, Mr Ahmed makes a very clear distinction between those Bengali Muslim migrants who have the historical right to live in the state (their ancestors having arrived there before the 1971 creation of the nation of Bangladesh, or even before 1947 when the state of East Bengal was a part of India), and those who have stolen across the border in search of a livelihood.
And the border is porous, he says, and the guards easy to bribe.
Mr Ahmed is convinced that there is large-scale migration of Bangladeshis into Assam and that this must be stemmed.
Underlying these views is his faith in himself as a "liberal Muslim" and a patriotic Indian - someone who will, for example, always support the Indian team and not the Pakistani during a cricket match.
Mr Ahmed regularly travels across the country to visit relatives and friends and his patriotism is not dented by his repeated discovery of his countrymen's shocking ignorance about the basic geography of the north-east or the names of its main cities.
"They don't know about us," he says, "while we in school learn about the whole country."
Multiple identities
When I ask Mr Ahmed about his roots, he does not talk of Manipur or Assam but describes himself as a "Shillongite".
Thousands of north-easterners fled Bangalore after rumours spread they would be attacked
He is fluent in a number of Shillong's many languages - Khasi, Hindi, English, Bengali, Assamese as well as his native Meiteilon. He describes the city as a welcoming place and one where he has always felt at home.
He has made a choice - just as his father did in leaving that village and settling in Shillong. In choosing for himself, Mr Ahmed is cosmopolitan.
At the same time, he has a very sure sense of himself as belonging to a Muslim community that has a right to live in Assam.
Unlike the protesters in Mumbai who rioted over the killing of their fellow Muslims, Mr Ahmed does not subscribe to the idea of an international Muslim brotherhood.
He says that certified Indian Muslims like him are in a position to help the government of Assam identify and deport illegal immigrants. "It is easy for us to tell who is a long-term resident and who isn't," he says.
Mr Ahmed is many things at once - Manipuri, Assamese, Shillongite, Muslim, north-eastern, Indian.
In negotiating these multiple identities with ease, he gives lie to the dichotomous way in which the Assam conflict has been portrayed.
But as a middle-class professional who could live and work anywhere in the country, he is far removed from the victims of the violence in Nellie then and Kokrajhar now - largely the poor who either live off the land or work at manual jobs.
Similarly, along with the students who recently fled back home to the north-east, there were also many who work as contract labour in the service industry - security guards, waiters, hairdressers - those whose sense of insecurity in mainland India is compounded by their precarious economic situation.
To view the fight over Assam as a communal one, therefore, is to wilfully ignore the poverty of those both waging this battle and dying in it.
As so often happens in conflicts of this nature, the fundamental issues are obscured by the spectacle of violence driven by the logic of "an eye for an eye".
In this case, the culpability of a government that first allows impoverished immigrants to illegally enter a state already wracked with issues of underdevelopment, and then turns a blind eye to their murder, is what the nation's attention should be wholly focused on.
Anjum Hasan is a novelist and books editor at The Caravan magazine
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Bangladesh does not accept that there is any illegal Bangladeshi settlers in India. So making scapegoat of Bdians means their existence in India which is wrong. Got it?
The correct title should be "Poor Indian Muslims are Labelled with BD flags for Political Rhetoric". And we all should agree on that.
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To better understand the logical, analytical capabilities of that populace, I request any sane reader to view the following clip. You would learn a thing or two about "Indian laws of Physics" which allow all sorts of fantastic spectacles without any of the gullible populace ever questioning them.
Top 5 Bollywood Fight Scenes - YouTube
None of my acquaintances (both foreign and Bangladeshi) who have watched this could hold back from bursting out in laughter.
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...ia-loops-holes-narrative-4.html#ixzz25QqOxIDr
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I too agree that its shame on Bangladeshis who prefer to come India. Including Hindus and muslims. About Hindus if they wished they should have migrated when they were given chance. Now its called "Illegal Migration". It doesnt matter if he is Hindu or Muslim. It doesnt matter if we had Abrahamic or Dharmic. If i said anything against constitution just prove me.
Or Is that you are all saying India first thinking that India is Hindu State? Will your opinion change if Muslims become Majority here?
Once again, It is really shame for Bangladeshis who come to India. Also you have a such a pathetic leader who doest even want to help those migrants. Its a shame. really shame.
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