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If no-one helps you after a car crash in India, this is why

It happens, there are 2 reasons

1) In fatal accidents most of the motorist doesnt know what to do , or looking at the scene most of them (including me) get into a shock and will not be in a position to respond
2) The Indian police, Normally if you take them to hospital, there are likely chances that you will be harassed and even you will be charged for creating the accident.....

I have had enough experience on the road, as my job involves lot of travel.
1)Have helped 2 couples, who met with accident (colliding each other) and the inuries where not fatal (few fractures), took 4 of them to hospital in my car, and put them in to causality ward
2) Have seen a highway accident, Volvo bus banging behind a parked truck (3 to 4 rows were totally damaged) and i was in spot with few minutes, The emergency services guys were asking for help, and they literally pulled me, but i couldnt do anything as i was shell shocked......It took me few days to come out of that shock
3) While travelling in night around 1 am i had noticed a car parked in the centre of a highway with movement inside it, (was travelling in a bus sitting next to the driver seat) Have asked the driver to park the bus and see, We both went and saw that a car met with an accident with a truck (not seen anywhere) and the driver and passenger had injuries and were unconscious, the bus was parked in such a way that the entire highway was blocked so that more guys come for help..... by that time local people came and police and ambulance were alerted...... We left the scene without waiting for them as we created enough crowd including locals for taking care of it....

But one thing i hate people do is, taking pictures......... I have seen people taking pictures of such shocking accident and share it.... Do not know what they get from that and i some how could not understand their mind

I agree mate.. There is not just one but a number of contributory factors that leads people to show such apathy.. My contention is it's not universal as one or two people tried to portray here

This is a video of traffic accidents in Sri Lanka, Most not fatal but you would notice with the rare exception, Every single time people, other drivers and pedestrians rushing in to help

Watch it mute, The soundtrack will give you a migraine :(


I'm not saying Sri Lanka is a drivers paradise, far from it, It's a drivers nightmare but you dont see the general apathy you would as reported in India in many fora, Even in the case of the famous rape case in Delhi this issue came in to light, How hundred of people on the road chose to ignore the couple pleading for life

I think it's a case of lack of civic duty as well towards a fellow citizen

And i dont want to even compare with developed nations like Australia and Europe in this matter for obvious reasons
 
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I agree mate.. There is not just one but a number of contributory factors that leads people to show such apathy.. My contention is it's not universal as one or two people tried to portray here

This is a video of traffic accidents in Sri Lanka, Most not fatal but you would notice with the rare exception, Every single time people, other drivers and pedestrians rushing in to help

In India too, Most of the cases the public rushes to help the motorist, in very severe cases, they do a better job than that of paramedic and fire and rescue team, as they reach the spot late, and the public is on spot as soon as the accident happens....But there are few cases as mentioned in OP, but they are there...... The importance of this issue, is that you cannot even ignore 1 case, as it is the case of life and death for a poor guy..... Today it is him, tomorrow it could me or u
 
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Wonder why would be anyone fear from Police for helping an accident. I am sure they don't jail people for calling an ambulance, its more probably they just don't care.

There are several cases of innocent people (who helped the victim) being framed for hit and run cases, If not they will be interrogated by our policemen, even if they leave you, they will put you into the list of witness, and you will be made to run up and down in an Indian court........ This is the sad part of the story..... But calling an ambulance is something different....
 
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Well i guess thats one reason for such apathy, Maybe another reason is how common accidents are, Indian roads are notorious for bad road discipline, I have had first hand experience And having driven in places like Sri Lanka where road rules are seldom respected, thats says a lot.. Indian drivers make Sri Lankan bus and three wheeler drivers look like Germans

That is the biggest reason. People do rush in and they do want to help out they just don't want to be harassed for doing a good thing.

As for Indian drivers, absolutely, one of the worst you will ever see. Things are somewhat better in larger cities especially the ones in south like Bangalore for eg.

Wonder why would be anyone fear from Police for helping an accident. I am sure they don't jail people for calling an ambulance, its more probably they just don't care.

They don't jail you for calling ambulance. They'll harass, like calling you time and again for statements etc.
 
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When a road accident occurs, bystanders will usually try to help the injured, or at least call for help. In India it's different. In a country with some of the world's most dangerous roads, victims are all too often left to fend for themselves.

Kanhaiya Lal desperately cries for help but motorists swerve straight past him. His young son and the splayed bodies of his wife and infant daughter lie next to the mangled motorbike on which they had all been travelling seconds earlier.

The widely broadcast CCTV footage of this scene - showing the suffering of a family of hit-and-run victims in northern India in 2013 and the apparent indifference of passers-by - troubled many Indians.

Some motorcyclists and police eventually came to the family's aid but it was too late for Lal's wife and daughter. Their deaths sparked a nationwide debate over the role of bystanders - the media hailed it as a "new low in public apathy" and worse, "the day humanity died".

But what safety campaigner Piyush Tewari saw wasn't a lack of compassion but an entire system stacked against helping road victims.

His work to change this began nearly 10 years ago, when his 17-year-old cousin was knocked down on the way home from school.

"A lot of people stopped but nobody came forward to help," Tewari says. "He bled to death on the side of the road."

Tewari set out to understand this behaviour, and found the same pattern repeated time and again across the country. Passers-by who could have helped were holding back and doing nothing.

"The foremost reason was intimidation by police," he says.

"Oftentimes if you assist someone the police will assume you're helping that person out of guilt."

The discovery spurred Tewari to set up SaveLIFE. In a 2013 survey, the foundation found that 74% of Indians were unlikely to help an accident victim, whether alone or with other bystanders.

Apart from the fear of being falsely implicated, people also worried about becoming trapped as a witness in a court case - legal proceedings can be notoriously protracted in India. And if they helped the victim get to hospital, they feared coming under pressure to stump up fees for medical treatment.

In a country with smoothly functioning emergency services, bystanders often need to do little more than call an ambulance, do their best to provide first aid and reassure victims that help is on the way.

But in India ambulances are in short supply, sometimes very slow to arrive and often poorly equipped. This makes it a country in need of Good Samaritans - and according to Tewari there are many Good Samaritans out there. They just choose carefully when to leap into action.

He contrasts the reluctance of passers-by to help victims of road accidents with their response to train crashes or bombs blasts.

In these cases, he says, "before the police or media arrives everybody's been moved to hospital".

The big difference with road accidents is that there are usually just one or two victims. "The chances of getting blamed are much higher," he says.

SaveLIFE filed a case with India's top court to introduce legal protection for Indian bystanders and a year ago there was a breakthrough when the Supreme Court issued a number of guidelines, including:

  • allowing people who call to alert emergency services about a crash to remain anonymous
  • providing them with immunity from criminal liability
  • forbidding hospitals from demanding payment from a bystander who takes an injured person to hospital
Just two months later, though, another hit-and-run incident caught on camera shocked the nation.

"See how they're just watching?" murmurs Anita Jindal as she scans the CCTV footage, once again, on her mobile phone in the cramped room-cum-corner shop she once shared with her son, Vinay.

A speeding car had hurled 20-year-old Vinay off his scooter in east Delhi, and the footage shows a crowd of onlookers surrounding him, and doing nothing.

It went viral on social media last July, triggering a new bout of soul-searching, and was even mentioned by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in his monthly radio broadcast to the nation.

"If someone had helped he may have been here today," says Anita Jindal. "Everyone told me they were scared of the police."

For Piyush Tewari and SaveLIFE the struggle goes on.

In March the Supreme Court guidelines were declared compulsory. To ensure that they will be enforced, the foundation is now campaigning to get each of India's 29 federal states and seven union territories to enshrine them in a Good Samaritan law.
  • Fifteen people are killed every hour in road accidents in India
  • Twenty children are killed every day in road accidents in India
  • One million people have died in road accidents in India in the past decade
  • Five million people were seriously injured or disabled in road accidents in India in the past decade
  • The equivalent of three per cent of GDP is lost annually due to road accidents
Source: SaveLIFE Foundation, 2014

Shrijith Ravindran, the chief executive of a restaurant chain, is one person for whom this legislation cannot be introduced soon enough.

In January he came across an elderly man bleeding by the roadside in the western Indian city of Pune. A gathering crowd of people was still deliberating what to do when Ravindran put the man in his car and drove him to hospital.

The closest hospital gave him a bunch of papers to fill in before turning him away.

The next one swamped him with more paperwork before tending to the patient.

In total, he says, he spent three hours filling in these forms.

"They ask, 'Are you a relative?' The moment you say 'No', they don't do anything," says Ravindran.

"They wait for somebody to give them assurance that they will pay the bill. Valuable time is lost."

The elderly man finally received treatment once the paperwork was completed, but it was too late. He died of his injuries.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36446652
 
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you must consider you self lucky. However i wonder how you came to conclusion that the thing you called "bystander effect" is a universal thing?
that was quite lame!
Specially the way you tried to portray the picture here and the "i don't believe so" attitude here. Surprising to see this from a senior member.
I did not, I was trying to say even with good samaritan law, there are certain other things to take care of, and if you are in such a situation(in any country) be aware of it. Point at a person, always, who can hear you and ask for help.
This is well documented, ignorance of it however can be excused, even if you are a title holder, I did not know about it before the chinese baby episode started online discussion last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

In any case, India is certainly not unique in this position, its a huge problem in china, and many attribute it to lack of good samaritan law. I did not want to defend a phenomena that is well documented and being taken care of. Kindly read my post again.

They do and people dont stand by watching like how you attempted portray here, So it's not a universal effect, People rush to help others in desperate need in most other countries

It's not fair to generalize social ills in one particular country on others just because it may seem offensive to you
its not a social ill, if you read the OP, and wait and think a bit. The common thing between India and china is lack of good samaritan law. And even with that we will need to account of this effect.
Bystander effect is universal, do click and read about it. The extent varies in countries, ignorance of it however can be excused. My advice for anybody in a situation is to always make a single person responsible, thereby removing ambiguity and diffusion of responsibility.
 
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Aah bystander effect.


When you are in a group the chances of people helping you out is far lower, than when alone, as people tend to pass the buck.

Personally did not experience this, had an accident when I was returning from school on cycle, people on the side rushed in to help me complete strangers, another auto guy even took me home for no charge.

Plenty of times I've seen in real life where people have rushed in to help. Most of the time the people who go in to help are not well off, perhaps it i
 
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well, here we had such problems with paperwork and bill payment in such accidents several years ago . but it have been solved by passing a law that bring criminal charge against a hospital who refuse to provide basic medical service to such patients . also health , ministry had an agreement with Commerce ministry and several insurance company and in such case the bill will be paid like when somebody have basic insurance.also about the paperwork and police problem nobody can you held if you bring an accident victim to hospital ,they just get an address from you if they needed to contact you later for some paperwork or information.

by what such article imply your problem is not about lack of law about how to protect the person who take the injured guy to the hospitals.you need to devise a system to assure hospitals that their expenses will be paid. unless such thing happens i don't see any change in hospitals behavior and consequently no change in bystanders behavior.
 
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I did not, I was trying to say even with good samaritan law, there are certain other things to take care of, and if you are in such a situation(in any country) be aware of it. Point at a person, always, who can hear you and ask for help.
You are confusing two things together or perhaps you are doing this purposely now. What you SHOULD do in case of an accident is a different thing, these are survival tips, not rules or a law for that matter. Dont make it sound like failure to do so will justify others ignoring you altogether. There is that thing people call humanity, it still exists! Though rare.

This is well documented, ignorance of it however can be excused, even if you are a title holder, I did not know about it before the chinese baby episode started online discussion last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Thanks for "forgiving me" although it was not for your to decide. Plus, there is no shame is learning about new things, no matter what the title is. In fact, this is why i come here on this forum, unlike many other people.
Understand this, the pages and context you are quoting too are case studies, incidents at best. That in no way mean that this is the general practice or the common behavior. These are all isloated events and yes no one can deny there existence. There surely are many more like these, happening perhpas daily that are not documented but what one need to equally stress on is that there are a lot more incidents that show the other side of human nature. The one that is ready to help. There are pages on Nazi experiments on Human body, that do not means that most of the humans are this abnormal psychologically.

In any case, India is certainly not unique in this position, its a huge problem in china, and many attribute it to lack of good samaritan law. I did not want to defend a phenomena that is well documented and being taken care of. Kindly read my post again..
Oh, if this was all patriotism driven, relax! I never said it was India specific sir and anyone indicated at that is simply wrong. Such things have not much to do with race.
 
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You are confusing two things together or perhaps you are doing this purposely now. What you SHOULD do in case of an accident is a different thing, these are survival tips, not rules or a law for that matter. Dont make it sound like failure to do so will justify others ignoring you altogether. There is that thing people call humanity, it still exists! Though rare.


Thanks for "forgiving me" although it was not for your to decide. Plus, there is no shame is learning about new things, no matter what the title is. In fact, this is why i come here on this forum, unlike many other people.
Understand this, the pages and context you are quoting too are case studies, incidents at best. That in no way mean that this is the general practice or the common behavior. These are all isloated events and yes no one can deny there existence. There surely are many more like these, happening perhpas daily that are not documented but what one need to equally stress on is that there are a lot more incidents that show the other side of human nature. The one that is ready to help. There are pages on Nazi experiments on Human body, that do not means that most of the humans are this abnormal psychologically.


Oh, if this was all patriotism driven, relax! I never said it was India specific sir and anyone indicated at that is simply wrong. Such things have not much to do with race.
I think you need to read #2 and the reply to that.. Indian case is a combination of general apathy in big cities(universal in the world) and lack of good samaritan law which means you will be penalised for helping people(unique to few countries including India) and bystander effect(universal again, you need more googling, its a psychological phenomena not a random isolated cases). There are countries where you are advised not to stop or get out of car(India is not one of them)....My advice was specific to.. oh well whats the point .... :)
 
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India is not in the title .. :)
anyway good that they are finally bringing good samaritan law.. even with law, in situation when you are in public and need help, just dont assume one would. The bystander effect is universal. Point at one person who can see you and loudly ask specific person to help.

I do not buy this, I lived by one of the busiest Highways in India, and I have taken wounded people to hospital thrice in India twice in my car, once we stopped our college bus and carried almost 7 people, to the hospital , all three times the cops were nothing but nice to us. I have heard of people in mumbai and other big cities doing this, where accidents happen and no one cares, on the flipside I have seen college students staying in the hospital all night with the people injured in an accident and tracking down the families.
 
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I think you need to read #2 and the reply to that.. Indian case is a combination of general apathy in big cities(universal in the world) and lack of good samaritan law which means you will be penalised for helping people(unique to few countries including India) and bystander effect(universal again, you need more googling, its a psychological phenomena not a random isolated cases). There are countries where you are advised not to stop or get out of car(India is not one of them)....
I have READ the post# 2 and if you may ty and understand, all i said was in context. As for googling, i am not sure if a lot of effort is required there. Considering this as a "universal phenomena" is just blowing it out of proportion. Even if considering it as a case study, you will find for yourself the relatively low percentage of people with such psychological behavior. You may want to give it a try, it wont harm anyone right?


My advice was specific to.. oh well whats the point .... :)
Well sure, if you feel there is no point in what you are saying, you made the wise choice of simply not saying that. Only if we had more members like you, think how troll free this forum can be :)
 
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well, here we had such problems with paperwork and bill payment in such accidents several years ago . but it have been solved by passing a law that bring criminal charge against a hospital who refuse to provide basic medical service to such patients . also health , ministry had an agreement with Commerce ministry and several insurance company and in such case the bill will be paid like when somebody have basic insurance.also about the paperwork and police problem nobody can you held if you bring an accident victim to hospital ,they just get an address from you if they needed to contact you later for some paperwork or information.

by what such article imply your problem is not about lack of law about how to protect the person who take the injured guy to the hospitals.you need to devise a system to assure hospitals that their expenses will be paid. unless such thing happens i don't see any change in hospitals behavior and consequently no change in bystanders behavior.
India also had the same problem (private hospitals not accepting injured patients), I dont remember whether they passed any bill or not.

I have READ the post# 2 and if you may ty and understand, all i said was in context. As for googling, i am not sure if a lot of effort is required there. Considering this as a "universal phenomena" is just blowing it out of proportion. Even if considering it as a case study, you will find for yourself the relatively low percentage of people with such psychological behavior. You may want to give it a try, it wont harm anyone right?



Well sure, if you feel there is no point in what you are saying, you made the wise choice of simply not saying that. Only if we had more members like you, think how troll free this forum can be :)
I think you are trolling and when provided extra information you chose to ignore and hide behind filmsy made up assertion like only a minority have that affliction... :)
 
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I think you are trolling and when provided extra information you chose to ignore and hide behind filmsy made up assertion like only a minority have that affliction... :)
Well sure you are free to think whatever you want to, free will and all. The fact remains that there is no such information provided that can pitch this isolated psychological phenomena against the widely accepted things called humanity, let alone help it come out as a winner. You are referring to some case studies and resarch work published on Wikipedia as a universal truth and phenomenon, what more can i do but to hide behind anything i can find around?
 
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