If Indians were racist, why would we live with black people in the South, says BJP’s Tarun Vijay

[lastofthepatriots]

I fail to understand why Indians think we Pakistanis look like them. I mean of course our skin can become dark due to exposed sunlight, but our features are no where close to Indians in general. Indians tend to have round gol mol faces while we have much sharper features.

I've literally gone to gas stations where Indians asked me If I was Turkish because of having a few shades lighter skin than them, but I would laugh and say I'm Pakistani. All of a sudden the respect level they would have for me went down considerably.

When I was born my skin color was the color of milk, not like white/euros but I've always just considered myself brown. I don't get why Indians have such an inferiority complex regarding skin shades. You guys can bleach your skin to the point Michael Jackson did, but you'll always look like Indians because of your features. And now that you ugly Northerners have access to bleach creams, you want to insult your fellow countrymen just because you are like 2 shades lighter than them.

Indians are disgraceful in general.

 

[Kabira]

But the higher estates oppressed the lower estate which was one of the reasons of French revolution . Caste is not racial . Castes are also present in Sikhs and Muslims .

Yup but not because of Colour . It's because of family lineage of birth . It was basically based on occupation and is pretty similar to western society . After occupation became heriditery , castes became rigid stoping the movement in caste . That is why a cobler stayed cobler for 1000 years and teachers remained teachers .

The system was abused by people there is no denying that .

In europe genetic differences depend on region. In subcontinent genetic differences depend on castes despite living in same village. Reason steppe invaders didn't needed being cobler was because they found large servile population ready to do it for them in exchange of protection or food. And over the centuries these professions were associated with people of poor status.

Where is problem? To many people in small area since ancient times. If not for overpopulation then aryan invaders would have killed some and married others but caste system wouldn't exist.

 

[Navin A]

South Indians are beautiful <3

vidya vox.. Hema Malani, Sridevi, vidya Balan, Genelia d Souza and the list goes on...

 

[Jlaw]

I think Indians are black.

Nothing wrong with having dark skins.

People should be proud of it.

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True. Indians should be proud of their dark skin. Africans are not ashamed.

 

[Navin A]

True. Indians should be proud of their dark skin. Africans are not ashamed.

No one said we are not proud of our dark skin tone...

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

In europe genetic differences depend on region. In subcontinent genetic differences depend on castes despite living in same village. Reason steppe invaders didn't needed being cobler was because they found large servile population ready to do it for them in exchange of protection or food. And over the centuries these professions were associated with people of poor status.

Where is problem? To many people in small area since ancient times. If not for overpopulation then aryan invaders would have killed some and married others but caste system wouldn't exist.

I find a huge anomaly in it .

IVC people were superior to Aryans except warfare . Natives left no scripture about their interactions with Aryans or their interaction with other natives who they met while migrating to other parts . Why will natives who were food producers and traders work as slaves for those who had no clue about farming and trading .

Aryans came in 1500 BC , 400 years later iron was discovered . Jungles were cut and by 600 BC new civilization arise in south Asia . They had no interactions with those in south India .

Were south Indians and natives of Indus two different kinds of society .
Indus valley religious practices are still present among Hindus . Puranas Upanishad and epics appear more India centric than Vedas which are more Indus and Saraswati centric .

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Lol he's telling the truth.

those black people are also facing racism in other parts of india.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/colum...cist-people/story-p6FfhBhKSreQhFhvYGP3LJ.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...-from-india-northeast-201421811314600858.html

india north east and south both are facing racism.

 

[Kabira]

I find a huge anomaly in it .

IVC people were superior to Aryans except warfare . Natives left no scripture about their interactions with Aryans or their interaction with other natives who they met while migrating to other parts . Why will natives who were food producers and traders work as slaves for those who had no clue about farming and trading .

Aryans came in 1500 BC , 400 years later iron was discovered . Jungles were cut and by 600 BC new civilization arise in south Asia . They had no interactions with those in south India .

Were south Indians and natives of Indus two different kinds of society .
Indus valley religious practices are still present among Hindus . Puranas Upanishad and epics appear more India centric than Vedas which are more Indus and Saraswati centric .

Dravidians also have west asian haplogroups and genes just not from aryans. Harappans were some type of west asian migrants mixed with natives who developed indigenous civilisation over time. Some Harappans later likely mixed with aryans and others got killed. That mixed aryan+harappan population started moving further east and south of subcontient then caste system as we know it was formed. If these people didn't move further east then caste system wouldn't exist. Because harappan population was small and indus valley is arid which didn't support much population back then.

But once you move to India where fertile land is in abundance that allowed humans to live in peace and over populate. Cutting trees etc only allowed huge subcontinent population to move around easily not just aryans. To get idea how small aryan contribution is that even isolated northen Pakistan population like Kalash or hunzas have more native subcontinent genes then aryans from steppe. Clearly shows aryans didn't had enough numbers to over come natives of subcontinent and caste system was only viable option for them to take advantage of their war like culture compared to natives.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Dravidians also have west asian haplogroups and genes just not from aryans. Harappans were some type of west asian migrants mixed with natives who developed indigenous civilisation over time. Some Harappans later likely mixed with aryans and others got killed. That mixed aryan+harappan population started moving further east and south of subcontient then caste system as we know it was formed. If these people didn't move further east then caste system wouldn't exist. Because harappan population was small and indus valley is arid which didn't support much population back then.

But once you move to India where fertile land is in abundance that allowed humans to live in peace and over populate. Cutting trees etc only allowed huge subcontinent population to move around easily not just aryans. To get idea how small aryan contribution is that even isolated northen Pakistan population like Kalash or hunzas have more native subcontinent genes then aryans from steppe. Clearly shows aryans didn't had enough numbers to over come natives of subcontinent and caste system was only viable option for them to take advantage of their war like culture compared to natives.

Good analysis .
Now the question should be when and how caste became social norm ?
History tells us mahivara Jain and Buddha were against caste division ( that puts the timeline around 500 bce which is 100 years after the creation of 16 mahajanpadas ) . Buddha and Jain's were from Indian heartland and vedic Brahmanas were from North West India . There was a conflict between sramanas and Brahmanas . I have read somewhere that Jain's claim that their first tirathankar Rishab belonged to ivc and the same person is regarded as an avatar of Vishnu .

Despite all this and mentions in the religious texts , there is no such system present on ground . May be due to the stronger influence of Buddhism .

History also tells us that people of ivc had different religious practices from burial to common rituals and deity which shows the heterogeneity of society of ivc which further proves your point .

those black people are also facing racism in other parts of india.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/colum...cist-people/story-p6FfhBhKSreQhFhvYGP3LJ.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...-from-india-northeast-201421811314600858.html

india north east and south both are facing racism.

Racism between 3 communities of Jammu and Kashmir . Only the ignorants do that . Lolla is a racist attack made on us by dogras , in return some of us revolted in racist slur by calling them dunger and pan India famous chinki remark for ladakhis .

But all this happened when we were kids and most of the times these remarks were made by ignorants and class lacking hyperactive kids on testrone

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Aryans mean Noble but Britishers were racist and they turned it into a race. Aryan Invasion theory has been proved wrong many time. In rigveda it's clearly mentioned that it was written on bank of Saraswati river.

Since the late 19th-century, scholars have conjectured that the Vedic Saraswati river is the Ghaggar-Hakra River system, which flows through northwestern India and Eastern Pakistan. Satellite images have pointed to a more significant river once following the course of the present day Ghaggar River.

LOL even IAS books teach Aryans migrated from central Asia and as a proof talk about Syrian inscription having mentions of 5 vedic god's including Indra .

Only 5 god's mentioned out of 33 vedic deities is not a conclusive proof . Indra was also present in Iranian religion .

One more possibility is of some groups of harrapans being Aryans who migrated to other parts after disappearance of saraswati . One group went east and gave birth to vedic religion while other went to Iran .

Hindus pray to Surya who is similar to Egyptian sun god but that doesn't make us Egyptians o_o or outsiders o-o

 

[manlion]

True. Indians should be proud of their dark skin. Africans are not ashamed.

the outrage is over his statement which seem to imply South Indians were living in 'their' country - we vs them

“If we were racist, why would....all the entire South – you know, Kerala, Tamil, Andhra, Karnataka – why do we live with them?”

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Aryans mean Noble but Britishers were racist and they turned it into a race. Aryan Invasion theory has been proved wrong many time. In rigveda it's clearly mentioned that it was written on bank of Saraswati river.

Since the late 19th-century, scholars have conjectured that the Vedic Saraswati river is the Ghaggar-Hakra River system, which flows through northwestern India and Eastern Pakistan. Satellite images have pointed to a more significant river once following the course of the present day Ghaggar River.

Some Argument which prove Aryan Invasion is myth:

1. Horse were there before aryan arrival in Indus
Further excavations discovered horses not only in Indus Valley sites but also in pre-Indus sites. The use of the horse has thus been proven for the whole range of ancient Indian history. Evidence of the wheel, and an Indus seal showing a spoked wheel as used in chariots, has also been found, suggesting the usage of chariots.

2. Chariots are totally unsuitable for crossing mountains and deserts
Moreover, the whole idea of nomads with chariots has been challenged. Chariots are not the vehicles of nomads. Their usage occured only in ancient urban cultures with much flat land, of which the river plain of north India was the most suitable. Chariots are totally unsuitable for crossing mountains and deserts, as the so-called Aryan invasion required.

There are many more points that prove Aryans were indigenous and even communists can't deny that . But till date our history books speaks of Aryans as outsiders .

 

[manlion]

There was a conflict between sramanas and Brahmanas . I have read somewhere that Jain's claim that their first tirathankar Rishab belonged to ivc and the same person is regarded as an avatar of Vishnu .

Risbha (like Buddha ) gets mentioned in Bhagavat Puran (??) as a minor incarnation of Vishnu - one cant rely on myths as authoritative as its based on falsehood and is fictional, written most probably between 11th to 15th AD

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Risbha (like Buddha ) gets mentioned in Bhagavat Puran (??) as a minor incarnation of Vishnu - one cant rely on myths as authoritative as its based on falsehood and is fictional, written most probably between 11th to 15th AD

Purana do loose its value due to mythological stories but it does contain accurate to semi accurate accounts on geographical features and lineage of kings and dynasties . Puranas as a whole show the syncritic and inclusive faith of Indian subcontinent .

Bhagavad purana is one of the best puranas .

Are all Vedic God aryan? Did all of them came from west?

Rudra (Shiva): He was from Kailash (Tibet). Explain This ?

Lord Shiva is most powerful of all vedic god, he can just burn down Indra, Varuna and all other weak f*ing vedic god into ashes by just opining his third eye.

If you'll read Hindu scripture you'll know that all everytime some Rakshasa (Deamons) attack Swargloka (Heaven) Indra, Varuna, Agni and other used to come running to Lord Shiva and ask for help that is why we stopped worshiping these coward vedic god. Har Har Mahadev

Shiva is Destroyer of Death, He is destroyer of Kamadeva, He is lord of universe, Ganges flows cheerfully from His shining forehead, He danced the world into existence.

That is based on the puranas where vedic deities lost their positions to Vishnu and Shiva . I am Shavite brahmin with leanings towards soft agnostic atheism and philosophical + spiritual aspect of sanatana dharma .

Are all Vedic God aryan? Did all of them came from west?

Rudra (Shiva): He was from Kailash (Tibet). Explain This ?

Lord Shiva is most powerful of all vedic god, he can just burn down Indra, Varuna and all other weak f*ing vedic god into ashes by just opining his third eye.

If you'll read Hindu scripture you'll know that all everytime some Rakshasa (Deamons) attack Swargloka (Heaven) Indra, Varuna, Agni and other used to come running to Lord Shiva and ask for help that is why we stopped worshiping these coward vedic god. Har Har Mahadev

Shiva is Destroyer of Death, He is destroyer of Kamadeva, He is lord of universe, Ganges flows cheerfully from His shining forehead, He danced the world into existence.

Pashupati Shiva seal of indus
Shiva in Dravidian faith
Shiva as the Rudra of vedas

Omnipresent lord *_*

 

[ashok321]

Most of the people behind India's Mangalyaan/Chandrayan are negros of south India