Idols of Hindu temple desecrated in Sindh’s Gharo

[Divergent]

Silly rumors on the grapevine.

A senior member of one country was sending stuff of a compromising nature to a senior member of the opposite gender. Of another country.

Which ended up becoming a minor diplomatic incident between two very unfriendly countries.

Am sure it's all Bollywood spice though.

Through this forum?

 

[padamchen]

Through this forum?

Not really sure.

 

[Spring Onion]

Same Law ?? Not really

Pakistan Blasphemy Laws (i.e. 295-B and 295-C) were introduced by General Zia (in 1982/86). They deal with desecration of the Holy Qur'an (life imprisonment for offenders) and using of derogatory remarks in respect of the Holy Prophet (mandatory death penalty for offenders) only, and do not apply to sacred texts/religious personalities of other religions.

Desecration of religious places of Non Muslims (or Muslims) however is a punishable offense under Section 295 (A) of Pakistan Penal Code. This law (enacted in 1927), unlike 295-B and 295-C, does not stipulate life imprisonment or capital punishment for the offenders.

Thanks a lot for explaining the Blasphemy Law of Pakistan @Spring Onion mam the Law is not equal for muslims as explained by @Azlan Haider

Azlan I can understand what you are stating here however, we need to understand that despite the amendment in the old blasphemy law which was introduced by the British raj in subcontinent, under the same old law even Muslim Pakistanis can be punished for offending religious feelings of minorities.

If my memory is not fading wrgt to study of the constitution and laws then I think it was introduced by the British in the subcontinent in the form of Article 295 which was for all the religions.

But why the law needed amendment or addition even during British RULE in subcontinent ?? did you ever ponder upon the reasons?

@Crixus For Your Information

From 1860 to 1927 the same British blasphemy law 295 was there for everyone.

The law Section 295 says/ said :
"Injuring or defiling place or worship, with intent to insult the religion of any class. Whoever, destroys, damages or defiles any place of worship, or any object held sacred by any class of persons with the intention of thereby insulting the religion of any class of persons or with the knowledge that any class of persons is likely to consider such destruction, damage or defilement as an insult to their religion, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extent to two years, or with fine or with both"


However in 1927 subcontinent or for that matter British India faced religious riots when a HINDU named Raj Pal wrote a derogatory book against Last Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) (PBUH). This maloon Raj Pal insulted the Prophet of Islam in the most foul way. This incident forced the Britishers to amend the Blasphemy law by adding article A to the section making it 295 A which was to discourage hate speech or any such act which could hurt the feelings of any religion.

If I am not wrong India currently also carries same 295-A for such incidents (if it is not the case then any Indian can explain or clarify though am sure it is still intact).

Now coming to Pakistan then we still carried this British law 295 with further amendments like 295-B and C in 1980 according to which any insult to the Holy Quran and Prophet was punishable by life imprisonment.

There was no death penalty till 1986 but then that year death penalty was included while in 1992 during Nawaz govt the life sentence was removed and replaced with mandatory death penalty.


@Azlan Haider if there is anything incorrect I mentioned then kindly correct me.

This is something new for me, can Hindus in Pakistan file case under blasphemy law if someone insults Hindu God?
If yes then please tell me if such cases are treated seriously or not by the Pakistani govt.


Ohhhh, I got my answer.
Thanks.

Yes Hindu can file case of blasphemy in Pakistan against anyone for insulting their religion. It is another matter if how many of them know about their legal and constitutional rights.

I do not know about other provinces but yes there had been such cases filed in my province and the law and police did take it seriously. I cannot say about rest of Pakistan.


In this particular case which is being discussed in this thread the fresh development is that

Police register blasphemy case over Hindu temple attack in Thatta

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1396116/police-register-blasphemy-terrorism-cases-thatta-temple-attack/

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NEWS DESK: Police have registered cases of blasphemy and terrorism against unidentified men for smashing idols at a Hindu temple in Gharo Town of Thatta District in the wee hours of Friday. The broken idols were found in a sewerage line the next morning.

Lal Meheshwri, the minority councillor of the Gharo Town Committee, told the BBC Urdu that he had been working late at the temple while preparing it for a monthly religious service which would have been held on Friday.

Indian police stop Muslim volunteers from entering Hindu temple in Ayodhya




“Someone seems to have entered the temple between 1:00 am and 5:00 am. When worshippers came in the morning for prayers, the idols were missing. This is the first time that that such a thing has happened in the temple’s history,” he said.

Adviser to the Sindh Chief Minister on Minority Affairs Dr Khatto Mal said he has asked the police and the district administration to register a case with the state as the complainant and to include terrorism clauses in the FIR. He said the vandals would be arrested and punished according to the law.

At this site in India, Muslims and Hindus offer prayers under the same roof

Thatta SSP Fida Hussain Mastoi told the BBC Urdu that the case would be investigated from all aspects, though according to preliminary probe, the footprints found near the temple seem to belong to a young man around the age of 12.

Gharo is situated along the National Highway some 60 kilometres from Karachi. About 2,000 Meheshwri, Dewan and Harijin families, who are mostly Hindus, live here.

 

[xairhossi]

The Pakistanis supporting this here would be the first ones to cry when the same happens to them in the West. Learn some tolerance.

 

[Spring Onion]

Silly rumors on the grapevine.

A senior member of one country was sending stuff of a compromising nature to a senior member of the opposite gender. Of another country.

Which ended up becoming a minor diplomatic incident between two very unfriendly countries.

Am sure it's all Bollywood spice though.

lolzzzz well honestly speaking your Indian members mostly were sending uncivilized messages to female members on the forum hence the PM private message option was closed down.

 

[ranjeet]

Azlan I can understand what you are stating here however, we need to understand that despite the amendment in the old blasphemy law which was introduced by the British raj in subcontinent, under the same old law even Muslim Pakistanis can be punished for offending religious feelings of minorities.

If my memory is not fading wrgt to study of the constitution and laws then I think it was introduced by the British in the subcontinent in the form of Article 295 which was for all the religions.

But why the law needed amendment or addition even during British RULE in subcontinent ?? did you ever ponder upon the reasons?

@Crixus For Your Information

From 1860 to 1927 the same British blasphemy law 295 was there for everyone.

The law Section 295 says/ said :
"Injuring or defiling place or worship, with intent to insult the religion of any class. Whoever, destroys, damages or defiles any place of worship, or any object held sacred by any class of persons with the intention of thereby insulting the religion of any class of persons or with the knowledge that any class of persons is likely to consider such destruction, damage or defilement as an insult to their religion, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extent to two years, or with fine or with both"


However in 1927 subcontinent or for that matter British India faced religious riots when a HINDU named Raj Pal wrote a derogatory book against Last Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) (PBUH). This maloon Raj Pal insulted the Prophet of Islam in the most foul way. This incident forced the Britishers to amend the Blasphemy law by adding article A to the section making it 295 A which was to discourage hate speech or any such act which could hurt the feelings of any religion.

If I am not wrong India currently also carries same 295-A for such incidents (if it is not the case then any Indian can explain or clarify though am sure it is still intact).

Now coming to Pakistan then we still carried this British law 295 with further amendments like 295-B and C in 1980 according to which any insult to the Holy Quran and Prophet was punishable by life imprisonment.

There was no death penalty till 1986 but then that year death penalty was included while in 1992 during Nawaz govt the life sentence was removed and replaced with mandatory death penalty.


@Azlan Haider if there is anything incorrect I mentioned then kindly correct me.




Yes Hindu can file case of blasphemy in Pakistan against anyone for insulting their religion. It is another matter if how many of them know about their legal and constitutional rights.

India does have 295 A which carries a maximum sentence of 3 years of imprisonment or fine or both. We don't have 295 B or C

 

[padamchen]

lolzzzz well honestly speaking your Indian members mostly were sending uncivilized messages to female members on the forum hence the PM private message option was closed down.

Jana ji, I hear the lady in question turned out to be a diplomat's wife.

Boredom?

 

[Divergent]

lolzzzz well honestly speaking your Indian members mostly were sending uncivilized messages to female members on the forum hence the PM private message option was closed down.

Explains a lot

 

[padamchen]

Explains a lot

Remember who you heard it from first.

 

[Spring Onion]

Jana ji, I hear the lady in question turned out to be a diplomat's wife.

Boredom?

I Dont know what you are talking about? can you explain .

All I know that many members here were receiving vulgar messages . I remember that few Indian members few years back even sent me such uncalled for PMs.

But I do not know about this diplomat thing

BTW what was your old ID

India does have 295 A which carries a maximum sentence of 3 years of imprisonment or fine or both. We don't have 295 B or C

I also talked about 295 A not B or C

The Pakistanis supporting this here would be the first ones to cry when the same happens to them in the West. Learn some tolerance.

Read before you comment, No Pakistani here or there supported this.

 

[padamchen]

BTW what was your old ID

Always been padamchen Jana ji.

 

[Jackdaws]

Shame, but nothing new. There are crazy bigots everywhere. I hope it is not representative of the entire nation; it seldom is.

 

[Spring Onion]

Always been padamchen Jana ji.

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are lying

Shame, but nothing new. There are crazy bigots everywhere. I hope it is not representative of the entire nation; it seldom is.

Interior Sindh is a shit hole for all Sindhis irrespective of faith.

 

[padamchen]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are lying

Why would I lie?

I'm just sharing what I heard from a friend who is a senior here.

I have no reason to disbelieve him.

Do you have a reason to disbelieve me?

 

[Spring Onion]

Why would I lie?

I'm just sharing what I heard from a friend who is a senior here.

I have no reason to disbelieve him.

Do you have a reason to disbelieve me?

I still say you had more than one ID