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[angeldude13]

Actually bro. 99.99999999% Indians don't give a shit about Israel/palestine( half of my countrymen cannot even pinpoint Israel ). We are silent majority. I support palestinians but usually I don't say anything because its none of our business but now I openly speaking against Israel because those blind Israel-lover indians giving bad impression to all Indians. I am not a big fan of Muslims but I can clearly see that European jews are invader in this case.

And why do you support Palestine???
Humanity?
What kind of benefit can our country get from supporting palestine.
Be practical and not emotional.

 

[Serpentine]

Actually bro. 99.99999999% Indians don't give a shit about Israel/palestine( half of my countrymen cannot even pinpoint Israel ). We are silent majority. I support palestinians but usually I don't say anything because its none of our business but now I openly speaking against Israel because those blind Israel-lover indians giving bad impression to all Indians. I am not a big fan of Muslims but I can clearly see that European jews are invader in this case.

That's nice mate, I hope your line of thinking is the majority.

It's not Enemy of my Enemy is my friend.
It's all about interests.
It's also about trust. Muslims nation are known for ditching there friends.
You see Iran helped pakistan against India several times but India didn't ditch Iran when they needed us(Amreeka telling us to not to buy Iranian oil) and this is how things works on International platform.
Majority of Muslim nations are childish and I've never understand why Iran gives two hoot about Palestine.
Palestine is sunni dominated and what benefit does Iran get from interfering in this matter.
For all I know sunni despises shia and kill them.....

That's not true. What you say, is right that some Sunnis despise Shias, but they are the minority and are usually theo ones who have potential to join terrorist groups, but this is about Israel occupying a land with the full support of western nations. Every single atrocity they commit, in the west they call it 'self-defense'. Your country has also experienced western imperialism and you know how they roll. Jewish settlers are stealing land inch by inch in the face of the world, most of these guys have migrated from Europe, Poland and Russia with all kinds of motivation to drive people out of their homes.

I don't accept all factions of Palestinians as well, but I tend to side with the majority.

Indians are free to support whoever they like, Israel or Palestine, but honestly, what I have witnessed is, a large number don't even care about either of them and only support Israel sometimes to make Pakistanis angry. That's understandable, but I don't think it will help.

PS: I have also seen the same thing for some Pakistanis who support some enemies of India only to make Indians angry, no other specific reason is involved.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

India and Israel: a friendship deepened by prejudice | Kapil Komireddi | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Indians love anyone who kills Muslims.

The Israelis are efficient at killing -- but so were the Nazis. I guess the Israelis learned well.

No power on this planet can take down Israel. No one.

They have the power. Power to print money. The schmoney printed in the major central banks...

 

[angeldude13]

That's nice mate, I hope your line of thinking is the majority.


That's not true. What you say, is right that some Sunnis despise Shias, but they are the minority and are usually theo ones who have potential to join terrorist groups, but this is about Israel occupuying a land with the full support of western nation. Every single atrocity they commit, in the west they call it self-defense. Your country has also experienced western imperialism and you know how they roll. Jewish settlers is stealing land inch by inch in the face of the world, most of these guys have migrated from Europe, Poland and Russia with all kinds of motivation to derive people out of their homes.

I don't accept all factions of Palestinians as well, but I tend to side with the majority.

First of all western imperialism is history now.
and second I didn't said Israelis are right.
I said what benefit does Iran get from doing what it is doing right now??

Is it in Iran's interests to support palestine?
If yes then what benefits does it gets from supporting palestine.
If there are no benefits then Iran is being childish.

 

[Bang Galore]

I like India as a country and Indian people as well, but this behavior is out of logic. Most of them support an Apartheid state like Israel only because there is a stand off between India and Pakistan. Enemy of my enemy is my friend ... but that is not right.

If Indians like the way British ruled their country before 40s, then they should also like Israel. This is not fair.

"Fairness" has nothing to do with the business of inter state relations. One doesn't deal with China only through the prism of the Tibetan issue, it's not like the Middle East is a haven for human rights & secularism. Indians like Israel because they have helped us & because many of us admire both their resilience as well as the technological progress. Most Indians don't support Israel on the Palestine issue (heck, I don't think most Israelis do) but we aren't about to hold our relations hostage to it anymore than we do with other countries.

Though I don't support firing of rockets in civilian areas But the fact is that Israeli are european invaders(mostly). Case closed. They need to go back where they came from.

That argument, while reasonable, is a dated one. No point in rehashing it some 67 years after the creation of Israel.

 

[janon]

I like India as a country and Indian people as well, but this behavior is out of logic. Most of them support an Apartheid state like Israel only because there is a stand off between India and Pakistan. Enemy of my enemy is my friend ... but that is not right.

If Indians like the way British ruled their country before 40s, then they should also like Israel. This is not fair.

You are making that reddened statement on the basis of a Pakistani's assertion about how or what Indians think. Don't you think that could be flawed?

Here are some points you ought to note:

1) Most Indian people don't know two hoots about Israel or Palestine or the middle east. This is different from people in islamic countries, who since birth are taught to hate Israel/Jews.

2) Yes we do support the state of Israel, and is there any alternative to that? Do you think that they will simply vanish off from the map, or disband themselves and go to other places? Israel is a reality now, and the best thing to do is for them and their neighbours to live in peace. That country may have been created by colonial powers in the mid 20th century, but so were a lot of other countries, including all of the Arab countries and India and Pakistan.

3) On a governmental and diplomatic level, India has been completely friendly towards the Arab countries and Iran as well.

4) On a cultural basis, we share a lot more in common with Iranians, than we do with Israelis. And millions of Indians live and work in Arab countries.

Taking note of all the above points, you ought to understand that our relations with Israel are not for religious reasons (as Pakistanis have been trying to portray) or due to Indo-Pak issues (we have excellent relations with all other muslim countries). It is simply because we share common interests, like thwarting Arab and wannabe Arab terrorism, and they also happen to be a very progressive, scientific, developed, technologically advanced nation with equal rights for all. BTW, it is my strong belief that you Iranians also share some of these interests with them - a lot more than you think.

Israel and Iran are really natural partners in that region. Iranians are also (by and large) a scientifically minded, non aggressive people who only want to defend themselves. It is unfortunate that you see Israel as the enemy, whereas your common enemy is making the planet a living hell.

 

[Serpentine]

"Fairness" has nothing to do with the business of inter state relations. One doesn't deal with China only through the prism of the Tibetan issue, it's not like the Middle East is a haven for human rights & secularism. Indians like Israel because they have helped us & because many of us admire both their resilience as well as the technological progress. Most Indians don't support Israel on the Palestine issue (heck, I don't think most Israelis do) but we aren't about to hold our relations hostage to it anymore than we do with other countries.

You got it wrong buddy. I didn't ask Indians to support Palestine for no reason, or to ignore their own interests and even cut relations with Israel, that's not wise. I was merely talking about some members who only support Israel to annoy Pakistanis, and don't say this doesn't happen here. Some members even don't know enough about the history of this conflict and it's natural because it's out of Indian geographical surroundings.


I bring an example of myself: I have studied about many historical and geopolitical issues in the world, but the Kashmir issue is not one of them, hence I always refuse to comment on this issue because it wouldn't help in anyway. You wouldn't find even one post of mine on this forum talking about Kashmir conflict between Pakistan and India where my country is not involved.

 

[Bang Galore]

. I was merely talking about some members who only support Israel to annoy Pakistanis, and don't say this doesn't happen here. Some members even don't know enough about the history of this conflict and it's natural because it's out of Indian geographical surroundings.

There are 1.3 billion of us and probably as many reasons for people to do whatever they do. This forum is hardly representative. Go by the GoI's stance on these issues, individual opinions will rarely tell you much more than that.

 

[Pakistani E]

Israel is a nation founded by European rejects illegally occupying Arab (Christian+muslim) land. That said, I wish hamas would disappear from the face of the earth, they are nothing but religious fascists using terror to prolong their regime. All they do is fire tin can rockets and go hide while the civilians have to face the brunt of the Israeli aggression. Look now, they killed 3 teenagers and Israel is probably going to kill 300 Palestinians, what did these smart asses achieve? Seriously, some nutter gets a hero complex and does something stupid while the whole Palestinian nation suffers, all the while the world watches on in silent.

As for this video, I won't shed a tear for terrorists, whether Palestinian or Israeli. I just hope there isn't an escalation of hostilities to a even more dangerous level.

 

[Developereo]

1. Supported us during wars.

Naturally. A friendship deepened by hatred of Muslims.

2. Provides technology in the areas of agriculture.

I don't deny that some Indian like Israel for its technology, but there's no denying that others view it as a model for dealing with Muslims.

3. Does not go around supporting the separatists in every forum.

Because the particular separatists in question (Kashmir) happen to be Muslims.

I like India as a country and Indian people as well, but this behavior is out of logic. Most of them support an Apartheid state like Israel only because there is a stand off between India and Pakistan. Enemy of my enemy is my friend ... but that is not right.

If Indians like the way British ruled their country before 40s, then they should also like Israel. This is not fair.

India has a large population and each Indian will have their own reasons for supporting, or not, Israel.

Some have legitimate reasons like technology, etc. but there's no denying that anti-Muslim hatred fuels support for Israel for many other Indians. The Israeli Embassy's own polling shows it. There are many Indians who are constantly brainwashed with the "Islamic conquest" part of their history and they will never get past that history.

Arabs in Israel live better than in their own countries. What "brutal subjugation" are to talking about?

Black people in America, even during the worst of times, lived better than the average black person in Africa. So what?

The brutal subjugation I am talking about is the eviction and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians over the last century-plus to make room for a Jewish state.

 

[Developereo]

Instead of telling us why we like or dislike someone or something, why not listen to us for a change?

While I won't dispute the reasons given by individual posters here, my point is about the wider reasons. I have posted analysis by Indians, as well as the results of Israel's own polling.

There are some Indians who support Israel for "legitimate" reasons, but there is no denying that a statistically significant portion of Indians support Israel because of anti-Muslim bigotry.

terrorism

Do you believe colonialism is right?

I believe it is the ultimate terrorism and colonialists are terrorists. Israel is the colonial outpost of the dominant West -- created by force of guns masquerading under UN legitimacy.

You are falsely equating the Nazis and the Israelis. Do Israelis put the Arabs or muslims inside their country in ghettos or concentration camps? Do they call for complete annilihilation of any race?

As I mentioned, I am not equating Israel's tactics (although Israel tattooed serial numbers on Palestinians like that Nazis did to Jews and the engage in torture and collective punishment). My comparison is about the ideology of the Zionists. It is racial superiority - plain and simple -- and is no different than the ideology of similar groups like the Nazis, white supremacists, radical Islamists, Hindutva, and others.

Indians like the Israelis because Indian subcontinent has had ancient ties with the Jewish people. Indians celebrate the hard work and efficiency and honesty of the Israelis. They are just like Indians.

As for your comment about "dealing with Muslims", it cannot be any more further than the truth. Indians like the Israelis because of the deadly efficiency with which they deal with the terrorists - which unfortunately happen to be Islamic fundamentalists.

Btw, while you are at it, why dont you mention the special friendship India has with PLO? Or its unwavering support for the Palestinian statehood? Isnt the PLO Muslim enough for you? Or you have some how acquired the rights to decide who is and who isnt a "true" Muslim - humanity be damned!? Isnt that what many of you people do?

I addressed most of your points, which are common with other posters, above.

As for your comment about the PLO, if you can show me a poll showing that many Indians view the PLO as the model for dealing with Jews, then we can discuss it.

 

[acid rain]

I like India as a country and Indian people as well, but this behavior is out of logic. Most of them support an Apartheid state like Israel only because there is a stand off between India and Pakistan. Enemy of my enemy is my friend ... but that is not right.

If Indians like the way British ruled their country before 40s, then they should also like Israel. This is not fair.

Because we know that the terrorists who were vapourised on thatt beach would have proceeded to kill innocent civilians if Israeli forces hadnt killed them - we have memories of how Pakistani terrorists made their way by sea and killed our civilians - we admire them because they could blow them to bits in advance and we couldnt.

 

[Thirdfront]

While I won't dispute the reasons given by individual posters here, my point is about the wider reasons. I have posted analysis by Indians, as well as the results of Israel's own polling.

There are some Indians who support Israel for "legitimate" reasons, but there is no denying that a statistically significant portion of Indians support Israel because of anti-Muslim bigotry.



Do you believe colonialism is right?

I believe it is the ultimate terrorism and colonialists are terrorists. Israel is the colonial outpost of the dominant West -- created by force of guns masquerading under UN legitimacy.



As I mentioned, I am not equating Israel's tactics (although Israel tattooed serial numbers on Palestinians like that Nazis did to Jews and the engage in torture and collective punishment). My comparison is about the ideology of the Zionists. It is racial superiority - plain and simple -- and is no different than the ideology of similar groups like the Nazis, white supremacists, radical Islamists, Hindutva, and others.



I addressed most of your points, which are common with other posters, above.

As for your comment about the PLO, if you can show me a poll showing that many Indians view the PLO as the model for dealing with Jews, then we can discuss it.

OK, Many in india like israel because it kills muslims efficiently..what is the point? FYI, it was muslims who collaborated with Nazis as killing jews was their common goal. Now take whatever happening in Gaza as israel's payback...

 

[acid rain]

Naturally. A friendship deepened by hatred of Muslims.



I don't deny that some Indian like Israel for its technology, but there's no denying that others view it as a model for dealing with Muslims.



Because the particular separatists in question (Kashmir) happen to be Muslims.



India has a large population and each Indian will have their own reasons for supporting, or not, Israel.

Some have legitimate reasons like technology, etc. but there's no denying that anti-Muslim hatred fuels support for Israel for many other Indians. The Israeli Embassy's own polling shows it. There are many Indians who are constantly brainwashed with the "Islamic conquest" part of their history and they will never get past that history.



Black people in America, even during the worst of times, lived better than the average black person in Africa. So what?

The brutal subjugation I am talking about is the eviction and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians over the last century-plus to make room for a Jewish state.

You are equating muslims with pakistani's here.

The afghans, iranians, maldivians, omanis, qataris, arabis etc are muslims too, not to forget the millions of indians who are - we have excellent relations with them.

Stop collating pakistan and its proxies with muslims. We equate pakistan with terrorism - and so does the rest of world - doesnt mean we are against muslims. We are against pakistan's terrorist proxies.

 

[Developereo]

OK, Many in india like israel because it kills muslims efficiently..what is the point? FYI, it was muslims who collaborated with Nazis as killing jews was their common goal. Now take whatever happening in Gaza as israel's payback...

Actually, the common goal was not hatred of Jews, but hatred of Britain.

Since Britain was supporting migration and creation of a Jewish state, the Palestinians looked favorably upon Britain's enemy, which happened to be Germany.

You are equating muslims with pakistani's here.

The afghans, iranians, maldivians, omanis, qataris, arabis etc are muslims too, not to forget the millions of indians who are - we have excellent relations with them.

Stop collating pakistan and its proxies with muslims. We equate pakistan with terrorism - and so does the rest of world - doesnt mean we are against muslims.

I am not confusing anything. I am simply quoting the Israeli Embassy's poll which talks about Muslims (including, I suspect, Indian Muslims).
We know quite well how many Indians are brainwashed about the Islamic part of your history.