Identify this Artillery Beast

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What about LADO SABAN

 

[GR!FF!N]

What about LADO SABAN

never heard about it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

One knows these are mobile artillery pieces. They will encounter enemy marksmen or sniper teams. They still leave a possibility to be stopped by a heavy round. Not good in my opinion.

gunners operating the towed artillery are completely exposed.

there is always a trade off between mobility, concealment and protection. no SP artillery can withstand the "heavy" round like an MBT is. it is not meant to be exposed to that level of danger anyway. at best small arms fire and shrapnel from near explosions if the things get hot, in such case the, the place is quickly abandoned or if the mission demands such danger is disregarded to complete the mission at whatever cost.


do you know at what range they provide fire support from? we are talking from 20 to 40 km from their targets well beyond the front lines.

secondly all artillery types whether towed and self propelled used the methodology of shoot and scoot. they dont hang around at one place to present a target to retaliatory fire from ground or air attacks.

when they do dug in at certain places then only things that are sticking out of their trenches are their barrels with camouflage nets above them and they have entire infantry and air defense elements with them to provide protection.

so they are not that isolated and helpless as you make it sound. by the time enemy sniper team reaches them they might have already left the place or that sniper team would have to negotiate against the own snipers and machine gun posts of the infantry dotted along the battle filed.

 

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gunners operating the towed artillery are completely exposed.

there is always a trade off between mobility, concealment and protection. no SP artillery can withstand the "heavy" round like an MBT is. it is not meant to be exposed to that level of danger anyway. at best small arms fire and shrapnel from near explosions if the things get hot, in such case the, the place is quickly abandoned or if the mission demands such danger is disregarded to complete the mission at whatever cost.


do you know at what range they provide fire support from? we are talking from 20 to 40 km from their targets well beyond the front lines.

secondly all artillery types whether towed and self propelled used the methodology of shoot and scoot. they dont hang around at one place to present a target to retaliatory fire from ground or air attacks.

when they do dug in at certain places then only things that are sticking out of their trenches are their barrels with camouflage nets above them and they have entire infantry and air defense elements with them to provide protection.

so they are not that isolated and helpless as you make it sound. by the time enemy sniper team reaches them they might have already left the place or that sniper team would have to negotiate against the own snipers and machine gun posts of the infantry dotted along the battle filed.

What you say is the ideal combat situation between symmetric forces. I today's asymmetric warfare such elements cannot be discounted. Well hidden/concealed sniper teams can and do wreak havoc.

Stop eating snakes please.

Then again you have been a soldier and I'm an armchair general. So my words have more weight.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

What you say is the ideal combat situation between symmetric forces. I today's asymmetric warfare such elements cannot be discounted. Well hidden/concealed sniper teams can and do wreak havoc.

Stop eating snakes please.

Then again you have been a soldier and I'm an armchair general. So my words have more weight.

I dont eat snakes when i got chicken. in the time of war when heavy artillery is deployed then anything that moves is a legitimate target, asymmetric warfare be dammed, we wont stop to check if that group marching towards us is an innocent group of madrassah students going on to hold a class in the middle of a battlefield.

haha.. any civilian with a common sense of self preservation would have left the area where artillery and Armour elements are moving and shooting and anyone who doesnt identify itself on challenge is deemed hostile and taken out.

but if the inevitable does happen and someone survives by evading being spotted and manages to engage softer skinned artillery then it should be hailed.

to avoid such eventuality every type of military element normally known as battle group has a mix of forces that cover for each other. artillery is providing fire support & protection to its own infantry & armor against enemy hard positions, infantry and armor
the own infantry positions and troops on the move are providing protection and covering flanks together with armor and all of them are safeguarding the AAK AAK that is watching out for airborne threats and f they are not good enough then airforce is called in.
back in 65 we captured the Indian artillery guns that the Indian soldiers left in a hurry and we raised an entire regiment from those guns so yes nothing is impossible.