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[Wood]

Those Indian software engineers in Europe and North America are coders who just work in a limited and specific manner to the design / specification given by either their Western bosses or by the managers of the Indian companies who have been contracted by Western organizations who provide the original design.

Take the case of the 40-year-old, very rich Indian software company Infosys which currently has 259,000+ employees out of which most will be computer engineers. Yet this software company hasn't been capable of setting up a team of 20 people, or even five people, who will design an entirely new, Indian operating system software. All the other Indian software companies are like this sadly.

If you give them a lucrative business case to write Indian operating system, they'll do it. The business model of software service companies do not call for this type of R&D.

 

[jamahir]

If you give them a lucrative business case to write Indian operating system, they'll do it. The business model of software service companies do not call for this type of R&D.

1. Are the over-hyped team leaders and their managers in companies like Infosys and TCS even intellectually capable of designing and developing a new, innovative operating system ? If they are then such companies can create a lucrative business case by selling the operating system to the large potential user base within India and outside. As I said, QNX, Windows, Integrity, macOS etc created the lucrative business case.

2. What became of the DRDO project to develop a "futuristic" operating system ? I posted of this in post# 11. It's been eleven years since the commencement of the project. No result. But if DRDO had developed such an OS, other than it having application within the military, scientific and bureaucratic circles DRDO also had the lucrative business case of selling the OS again to Indian banks ( in its own words ) and to the Indian masses and to the outside world.

3. The business model of these Indian IT companies is contract-based code and hardware development. As you said, they are services-based companies. They don't do innovation.

 

[Wood]

1. Are the over-hyped team leaders and their managers in companies like Infosys and TCS even intellectually capable of designing and developing a new, innovative operating system ? If they are then such companies can create a lucrative business case by selling the operating system to the large potential user base within India and outside. As I said, QNX, Windows, Integrity, macOS etc created the lucrative business case.

2. What became of the DRDO project to develop a "futuristic" operating system ? I posted of this in post# 11. It's been eleven years since the commencement of the project. No result. But if DRDO had developed such an OS, other than it having application within the military, scientific and bureaucratic circles DRDO also had the lucrative business case of selling the OS again to Indian banks ( in its own words ) and to the Indian masses and to the outside world.

3. The business model of these Indian IT companies is contract-based code and hardware development. As you said, they are services-based companies. They don't do innovation.

The Indian companies have enough cashflow to simply hire OS design/development team from Silicon Valley and have the local Indian talent trained by them. It is not a big deal at all. The only question is, will their investment result in a sustainable return of the long term? Do they want to dip their toe in that sphere and lose focus on the lucrative services business that they have going for them?

This is a question for their management and board members to decide. It is rather naive to say that the companies cannot write OS etc.

 

[jamahir]

The Indian companies have enough cashflow to simply hire OS design/development team from Silicon Valley and have the local Indian talent trained by them. It is not a big deal at all.

They only have the cashflow, not the brains. Why hire from the Silicon Valley and not from among the more than two million computer engineers in India, with each passing year adding 160,000+ more computer engineering graduates from Indian colleges ( the highest number of computer engineering graduates in the world ) ? You speak of local Indian talent then show me one good college OS project from those 2+ million ? Sensibly speaking there should have been at 100 different OS' from these two+ million, yes ? OK, at least 10. Where are they ?

So the 40-year-old Infosys and the 53-year-old TCS did not find any local Indian talent to design an Indian OS ? Not even one designer or two ? Why should the designers come from Silicon Valley and not from India ? Even 10 computer engineers from Saudia can write an OS for the x86 platform if the team knows x86 Assembly language and C language and if the designer and guide of the OS development is from Silicon Valley. The main thing is the design, its innovativeness. Where is the Indian element in this since you speak of local Indian talent ? What have they studied in their expensive private computer college courses then ? Just to be coders and not designer ?

The only question is, will their investment result in a sustainable return of the long term? Do they want to dip their toe in that sphere and lose focus on the lucrative services business that they have going for them?

1. Their focus should be to become world-class contributors and innovators in the computing field and not to remain intellectually-deficient services-based coders who work on Western-given contracts on Western-made systems.

2. The first version of the wonderful QNX OS was written by two college mates who though their college OS project which was based on microkernel architecture has a real need in the commercial world. Their microkernel OS was the first microkernel OS in the commercial industry, outside of being existent in academic research. The QNX company was founded in 1980, just one year before Infosys' founding. And now QNX Neutrino OS is a reliable OS used in various sectors, from a Mercedes car to the International Space Station to nuclear reactors to the medical field and the military field to others. What about Infosys ?

 

[Wood]

They only have the cashflow, not the brains. Why hire from the Silicon Valley and not from among the more than two million computer engineers in India, with each passing year adding 160,000+ more computer engineering graduates from Indian colleges ( the highest number of computer engineering graduates in the world ) ? You speak of local Indian talent then show me one good college OS project from those 2+ million ? Sensibly speaking there should have been at 100 different OS' from these two+ million, yes ? OK, at least 10. Where are they ?

So the 40-year-old Infosys and the 53-year-old Infosys did not find any local Indian talent to design an Indian OS ? Why should the designers come from Silicon Valley and not from India ? Even 10 computer engineers from Saudia can write an OS for the x86 platform if the team knows x86 Assembly language and C language and if the designer and guide of the OS development is from Silicon Valley. The main thing is the design, its innovativeness. Where is the Indian element in this since you speak of local Indian talent ? What have they studied in their expensive private computer college courses then ? Just to be coders and not designer ?



1. Their focus should be to become world-class contributors and innovators in the computing field and not to remain intellectually-deficient services-based coders who work on Western-given contracts on Western-made systems.

2. The first version of the wonderful QNX OS was written by two college mates who though their college OS project which was based on microkernel architecture has a real need in the commercial world. Their microkernel OS was the first microkernel OS in the commercial industry, outside of being existent in academic research. The QNX company was founded in 1980, just one year before Infosys' founding. And now QNX Neutrino OS is a reliable OS used in various sectors, from a Mercedes car to the International Space Station to nuclear reactors to the medical field and the military field to others. What about Infosys ?

Who are you to say that Infosys (and such companies) should focus on writing an OS? Secondly, Infosys is a corporation - they can hire 'brains' from any part of the world. Lastly, tech talent can always be trained.

You are being argumentative for the sake of it.

 

[jamahir]

You are being argumentative for the sake of it.

No I am asking simple questions.

Who are you to say that Infosys (and such companies) should focus on writing an OS?

I have been designing an OS for the last few years. It has some simplicity and innovativeness and the target application is not only general purpose computing but also hard real time application. Just like QNX Neutrino and Integrity. So I reserve some right to comment on this.

Secondly, Infosys is a corporation - they can hire 'brains' from any part of the world.

But why not hire designing brains from India ? Do those yearly 160,000+ graduating engineers and PhDs in computing from Indian colleges, including IITs and IIITs, not have enough talent to design ?

Lastly, tech talent can always be trained.

Sure, if that tech talent cannot innovate / design by itself it can be guided and trained by the designer / innovator. But in which branch of IIIT, BIT, VIT or Lovely Professional University will Infosys and TCS find the designer of an OS ?