IAF "whats cooking"

[bhangra12345]

you simply and conveniently forgot the chinese equation.

yet it was the same extremist bjp which handed the lahore bus and received kargil in return. It was the party which decided not to cross the international border, whereas in 1965, the "non-extremist" kangress decided to cross. as you said lets wait and watch.

 

[EagleEyes]

Webby, not a threat essentially means, that PA or any of Pakistan's armed forces will be pressed to defend their own land, they will not have the punch to try an offensive in India or if they do, they will have very limited resources. As a defending army, it is very credible, not so much for an offensive in India.

malay,

Are you saying that Pakistan Armed Forces will only be set to defend in any conflict with India?

 

[bhangra12345]

malay,

Are you saying that Pakistan Armed Forces will only be set to defend in any conflict with India?

Assumption:complete conventional war.

For the most part yes, when seen in conjunction with the present and projected strength of Indian armed forces. There will be some odd push, but their best bet would be defensive offence.

Now the present superiority of iaf vis-a-vis paf is clear for anyone with an objective eye. India will have some spare to support the ground offensive, but pakistan will not be able to support it.

IN vs PN is not a comparision at all.

Once you give the superiority in one field, maintaining it in other will be pretty difficult.

 

[IceCold]

you simply and conveniently forgot the chinese equation.

yet it was the same extremist bjp which handed the lahore bus and received kargil in return. It was the party which decided not to cross the international border, whereas in 1965, the "non-extremist" kangress decided to cross. as you said lets wait and watch.

Actually i consider congress a more extremist party, but BJP isnt any less either. And what exactly do you mean by handing over the bus, you sound like they handed over kashmir packed in that bus . Kargil was supported by pakistan not started by pakistan. There is a difference.

 

[bhangra12345]

Actually i consider congress a more extremist party, but BJP isnt any less either. And what exactly do you mean by handing over the bus, you sound like they handed over kashmir packed in that bus

It was a hand of friendship nonetheless and we were 1962ed.

Kargil was supported by pakistan not started by pakistan. There is a difference.

Please read musharaff's autobiography for more details. how it WAS the pakistani army which occupied the heights and all. Seeing initially that Indians did not take cognizance of that fact, how they went just too far beyond what is tactical.

 

[IceCold]

Please read musharaff's autobiography for more details. how it WAS the pakistani army which occupied the heights and all. Seeing initially that Indians did not take cognizance of that fact, how they went just too far beyond what is tactical.

This means that do you believe all the other things too written in the same autobiography about the indian soliders and there clamis just to achieve medals from the army and also if nawaz sharif then the primeminister of pakistan hadnt agreed for an unconditional retreat of the army, we were kicking some serious *** out of the indian army and it was one of the finest hours for the pakistan army.

 

[bhangra12345]

This means that do you believe all the other things too written in the same autobiography about the indian soliders and there clamis just to achieve medals from the army and also if nawaz sharif then the primeminister of pakistan hadnt agreed for an unconditional retreat of the army, we were kicking some serious *** out of the indian army and it was one of the finest hours for the pakistan army.

He was the Pakistani commander in chief not of India's. Regarding what Pakistani army did, he can be atleast taken as a viewer of the event and although he tries to put his own spin on it, he was completely inside the whole kargil episode. You have to separate chafe from wheat, or in this particular case wheat from chafe.

That book was an out and out propoganda book. He was trying to project a larger than life image of himself, but frankly in my opinion made a joker of himself. Why he decided to write that book, god knows.

He tries to put a positive spin over even that episode, but all he did was, he agreed that it was the pakistani army which was at kargil not some roadside mujahideen. It was also clear that kargil was ordered at the top of the chain of command of Pakistan army. When you come to realize this point, actually musharaff's own value goes down, because he refused to accept the dead bodies of these soldiers from India. Observe he doesnt talk about this at all.

 

[Contrarian]

malay,

Are you saying that Pakistan Armed Forces will only be set to defend in any conflict with India?

Bhangra summed it up quite aptly. PAF would be hardpressed to defend the skies in Pakistan, almost all of IAF barring token forces left in various places would be flooding the skies in the west. Simply put, PAF would have to deal with a lot of jets. IN against PN is a no contest. The only credible defence offered would be by PA, but that without support from the other two branches would essentially mean that PA is on the defensive rather than offensive.

If you would look at India's new doctrine of sorts, you would see it calls for punitive and heavy strikes against Pakistan's war fighting capabilities directly and not to grab land. IAF and IA would call most of their assets at the first instance. China would not intervene, that is a certainity.

 

[ied_blast]

Geo-politics is like that on face its look rosy ....inside a "*****"

right now pakistan is not a threat
as far as pak army is concerned they have there task cut-out to there own
"pets" ....whom now started to bit there own masters then indians.

in present senario a full war theatre is not what a right thing to go for....but if something
happens "India can be in Islamabad in three days"
read this.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C03%5C12%5Cstory_12-3-2007_pg7_39

 

[bhangra12345]

Dont give so much value to these things, we cant go for islamabad without taking off their nukes first.

You should fight only when the enemy is weak and take care it doesnt damage you.

 

[Neo]

Did i just hear somebody saying Pakistan Army as NOT a threat.

That was a new years laugh.

This got to be the joke of the century.
We should have some kind of award for such statements webby.

 

[IceCold]

This got to be the joke of the century.
We should have some kind of award for such statements webby.

Increase his rep Neo but with a negative sign

 

[blitz]

This got to be the joke of the century.
We should have some kind of award for such statements webby.

Passing funny comments does not change ground realities one bit. Although it does make one feel good about himself.

What can the PA possibly do other than Kargil type mini ops ? Can it invade Indian territory on a broad front ? Can it attack and hope to neutralize the Indian war making capabilities in any way ? Question still stands, what the hell can PA do other than barely try to defend the Pakistani homeland in case of war ?

Yes PA has nuisance value. It can send regulars and irregulars to do mini-ops here and there. But it does not possess the capability to threaten India in any substantial way. Thus PA is not a threat, its a speed bump.

 

[su-47]

Passing funny comments does not change ground realities one bit. Although it does make one feel good about himself.

What can the PA possibly do other than Kargil type mini ops ? Can it invade Indian territory on a broad front ? Can it attack and hope to neutralize the Indian war making capabilities in any way ? Question still stands, what the hell can PA do other than barely try to defend the Pakistani homeland in case of war ?

Yes PA has nuisance value. It can send regulars and irregulars to do mini-ops here and there. But it does not possess the capability to threaten India in any substantial way. Thus PA is not a threat, its a speed bump.

NEVER underestimate anyone. It'll never do you anygood. An underestimated force gets an advantage in that they can spring a surprise.

Best example is soviet invasion of finalnd in 1939. The soviet army was many times stronger than the finnish army in all aspects, yet the finns killed over 250000 soviets before capitualting.

PA might not match up to IA on paper, but for all we know there might be a brilliant general in PA who can give India a bloody nose.

Better to treat an enemy as a real threat and be proven wrong than to treat them as a speed bump and be proven wrong.

 

[Keysersoze]

Passing funny comments does not change ground realities one bit. Although it does make one feel good about himself.

What can the PA possibly do other than Kargil type mini ops ? Can it invade Indian territory on a broad front ? Can it attack and hope to neutralize the Indian war making capabilities in any way ? Question still stands, what the hell can PA do other than barely try to defend the Pakistani homeland in case of war ?

Yes PA has nuisance value. It can send regulars and irregulars to do mini-ops here and there. But it does not possess the capability to threaten India in any substantial way. Thus PA is not a threat, its a speed bump.

Famous last words lol......Reminds me of the
"All we need to do is kick the door in and the whole ******* structure will fall in"