IAF VS PLAAF IN EASTERN LADAKH :Air Marshal B.K. Pandey (Retd)

[serenity]

That man's name is BS for at least one good reason.

 

[Surya 1]

China purchased Su-35 before J-20 in operation. It was purchase years and years before J-20 finished. It was second choice for best fighter in case J-20 program got delayed.

After J-20, not a single Su-35 was purchased. The commitment to buy 24 Su-35 discussed with Russia around 2008 to 2010 was still done.

Besides, USA stole some Pantsir S-1 and Mig-21 and Mig-23 when they have F-4 and even F-15. Can your Indian mind understand why it is sometimes good to test and see how something performs? Particularly when Su-35 is a little similar to your Su-30MKI but much better than it.

Also no fighter radar has range of 300km even against 1m^2 target. Not even APG-77 and APG-81 has 300km.

Your man lied about seeing J-20 from 300km away because it is impossible to know what target is at 300km, even at 30km I doubt PESA from MKI can see J-20. Maybe 3km hahaha.

Also J-20 always take luneberg lens during peacetime flight. J-20 when your mr.bullshit made his claims was not even stationed in Tibet. Only last year did first J-20 units in Tibet become operational. Previously all produced units were positioned in North east, east, and south east. So basically maybe his Su-30MKI PESA saw Venus instead?? lol

Trust me my friend, in time of war, your Su-30MKI radar will not be able to be switched on even flying against our J-10. Remind yourself how JF-17 could escort attack planes into India and no Su-30MKI or Mirage fighter could even fire at JF-17. You think J-20 is within touch? As ridiculous as typical Hindi Bindi comments and trolls.

J20 flew in 2011. Su 35 delivery made in 2019. So factually incorrect.

 

[serenity]

But okay whatever... yes J-20 is inferior to even Bison. India mighty dupa.

 

[White Lion]

I have read this similar comparison by several Indian authors since last years. There is this constant theme in all those articles,
1 - PLAAF has less a/c in Tibet
2 - Plaaf fighter cannot carry their max usable weight
3 - J20 is not stealth
4 - PLAAF is inexperienced
5 - Rafale are best aircrafts in Asia
And this is being said when China has placed their air defense systems in numbers and moved more aircrafts into their area. I am not sure how they can ignore the work that has been done in last 1 year.

Brother you missed out the most important claim of India is they have more operating bases than China.

 

[serenity]

J20 flew in 2011. Su 35 delivery made in 2019. So factually incorrect.

That's wrong. Stop lying. Su-35 was ordered at least 10 years BEFORE 2019. First delivery was in 2016 not 2019. China was talking with Russia about buying Su-35 back in 2006. You can't even get basic information right. Now go edit wikipedia which you are useful for.

J-20 first flew prototype in 2011. F-35 prototype first flew in 2006. Since 2006, USAF has bought F-15, F-16, F-18. So F-35 must be worse?



Can't talk with stupids. Always will insist on their own stupidity.

 

[Vapnope]

It is said by air marshal in an another statement. you can check it.

Share it. I have checked even the video interview. He never claimed 300km. He would be considered a clown if he ever made such a statement.

 

[Surya 1]

That's wrong. Stop lying. Su-35 was ordered at least 10 years BEFORE 2019. First delivery was in 2016 not 2019. China was talking with Russia about buying Su-35 back in 2006. You can't even get basic information right. Now go edit wikipedia which you are useful for.

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J-20 first flew prototype in 2011. F-35 prototype first flew in 2006. Since 2006, USAF has bought F-15, F-16, F-18. So F-35 must be worse?



Can't talk with stupids. Always will insist on their own stupidity.

How does your post makes sense? Has US imorted F16 and F18? I am mot talking about China purchasing J10 inspite of having J20. I am talking about Import. Why would a country buy a 4th generation aircraft which itself flies 5th generation aircraft 5years ago.

Share it. I have checked even the video interview. He never claimed 300km. He would be considered a clown if he ever made such a statement.

Check it yourself. I won't waste my time on it.

 

[serenity]

Share it. I have checked even the video interview. He never claimed 300km. He would be considered a clown if he ever made such a statement.

Yes. Because J-20 RCS even not frontal should be much less than 1m^2. Frontal RCS is much lower than 0.1m^2 in fact the design aims was well beyond these. A Type 346B radar or SPY-1 or SPY-6 could not even find a J-20 at 300km. 300km detection and to identify at that range?

Truly is another level of self pleasuring. Unbelievable Indian officials are allowed to be this stupid lie this openly and obviously. I don't think these people understand what real radar detection ranges and graph is like.

But these guys also lied about AMRAAM and F-16 shot down and lied about Mig-21 at first. Lied about "nothing is happening in Ladakh" and lied about protests, lied about jailing journalists, lied about Covid, lied about covid numbers, lied about beating covid, lied about Kashmir. All in three years. So lying about "seeing J-20" when J-20 was not even deployed in Tibet is pretty normal to expect from stupid and professional liars.

 

[Vapnope]

How does your post makes sense? Has US imorted F16 and F18? I am mot talking about China purchasing J10 inspite of having J20. I am talking about Import. Why would a country buy a 4th generation aircraft which itself flies 5th generation aircraft 5years ago.


Check it yourself. I won't waste my time on it.

I did and there is none. You guys are pathological liars. Now run.

 

[Surya 1]

I did and there is none. You guys are pathological liars. Now run.

It is an old news. I will have to do a big effort to find it as the same may not be the heading. If I am able to find and post it, do you promise that you won't bluff again and stop posting nonsense here?

 

[Vapnope]

It is an old news. I will have to do a big effort to find it as the same may not be the heading. If I am able to find and post it, do you promise that you won't bluff again and stop posting nonsense here?

My comments are here for everyone to see. Anyone claiming to see j20 from an su30mki from 300km distance is a clown. You are welcome to share statement from BS Dhanoa that said 300km.

 

[serenity]

How does your post makes sense? Has US imorted F16 and F18? I am mot talking about China purchasing J10 inspite of having J20. I am talking about Import. Why would a country buy a 4th generation aircraft which itself flies 5th generation aircraft 5years ago.


Check it yourself. I won't waste my time on it.

Your logic is a "less advanced" unit is bought after more advanced unit is inducted. First you're wrong about Su-35 purchase anyway. Negotiation date, purchase date, delivery date all different. Negotiation happened around 2006. Different reasons because Su-35 was changed a few times around that era and purchase deal date was around 2010 but deal specifics were still not decided between Russia and China because Russia then was switching to BM version of Su-35 and 117 engine. This time J-20 was 8 years away from service and PLAAF had no idea really how long it would have taken CAC to complete J-20 back around 2010 when Su-35 purchase negotiation details were still being discussed.

Anyway even using your logic which is poor, import has nothing to do with this. Import or not, it is about more modern vs older. Even ignoring your timeline problem, it still is believable for China to buy su-35 even if J-20 was in service in 2010 and Su-35 bought in 2020. Even if such a thing were true, there is still good reason to do this. Just like the same reason US bought Kh-31 in the past and bought or stole all kinds of foreign equipment to test and work out how good it is and how to defeat it. Remember India has MKI which has thrust vectoring using similar layout as Su-35. Back then China did not have its own thrust vectoring which J-10 eventually shown. It uses a different system and type of twisting nozzle to Sukhoi method but in 2010 PLAAF was definitely interested to know more about it and how well it works.

China has only ever made one purchase of Su-35. The deal was done around 2010 and negotiation on details kept changing and Russia wanted China to buy more. Because China thought it was useless to have more than just a few for evaluation and testing, eventually both agreed on just 24 which China thinks is low enough to not waste money and Russia thought was enough to make money from. You think if J-20 is truly not good enough, China would only buy 24 Su-35? Maybe 240 wouldn't even be enough because already J-20 number is about half of that only three years after introduce to PLAAF.
Now the information is available and out, will let idiot sore butthurt one run his mouth. At least readers know and he can make fun of himself as much as he likes.

 

[Vapnope]

Your logic is a "less advanced" unit is bought after more advanced unit is inducted. First you're wrong about Su-35 purchase anyway. Negotiation date, purchase date, delivery date all different. Negotiation happened around 2006. Different reasons because Su-35 was changed a few times around that era and purchase deal date was around 2010 but deal specifics were still not decided between Russia and China because Russia then was switching to BM version of Su-35 and 117 engine. This time J-20 was 8 years away from service and PLAAF had no idea really how long it would have taken CAC to complete J-20 back around 2010 when Su-35 purchase negotiation details were still being discussed.

Anyway even using your logic which is poor, import has nothing to do with this. Import or not, it is about more modern vs older. Even ignoring your timeline problem, it still is believable for China to buy su-35 even if J-20 was in service in 2010 and Su-35 bought in 2020. Even if such a thing were true, there is still good reason to do this. Just like the same reason US bought Kh-31 in the past and bought or stole all kinds of foreign equipment to test and work out how good it is and how to defeat it. Remember India has MKI which has thrust vectoring using similar layout as Su-35. Back then China did not have its own thrust vectoring which J-10 eventually shown. It uses a different system and type of twisting nozzle to Sukhoi method but in 2010 PLAAF was definitely interested to know more about it and how well it works.

China has only ever made one purchase of Su-35. The deal was done around 2010 and negotiation on details kept changing and Russia wanted China to buy more. Because China thought it was useless to have more than just a few for evaluation and testing, eventually both agreed on just 24 which China thinks is low enough to not waste money and Russia thought was enough to make money from. You think if J-20 is truly not good enough, China would only buy 24 Su-35? Maybe 240 wouldn't even be enough because already J-20 number is about half of that only three years after introduce to PLAAF.
Now the information is available and out, will let idiot sore butthurt one run his mouth. At least readers know and he can make fun of himself as much as he likes.

You are wasting your words on someone who believes that SU 30mki can detected a J20 from 300km...

 

[serenity]

You are wasting your words on someone who believes that SU 30mki can detected a J20 from 300km...

Yes for him there is no hope. It is for benefit of others that we try and make some effort to show truth. Otherwise world is entirely these kinds of folks who will convince many fools of their false lies.

 

[alphapak]

Yes for him there is no hope. It is for benefit of others that we try and make some effort to show truth. Otherwise world is entirely these kinds of folks who will convince many fools of their false lies.

They couldn't even detect the F16's in Feb 2019 when PAF shot down a Su 30 MKI and a Mig 21.
Luckily the Mig 21 fell in Pakistan side otherwise they would of denied the shooting down of
mig 21 as well.

They also shot down their own helicopter that was on a search and rescue mission to find
the downed Su 30.