IAF Indian Air Force Better Than PLAAF?

[ISRO2]

MKI is better then MKK, in a dog fight, of course. but when they are locked and hunting by a missile, the odds of being shot down are more or less the same. furthermore, mind that MKK serve as long range attack bomber in PLAA, so they won't come out alone and will be escorted by other fighters, j11s for instance, and AWACs.

and one more thing, if there will be a war between china and india, which i highly doubt, why would china send their ACs into india territory? the HN-3 curise missiles could do almost all the job that a MKK can do.

Sir that was funny. mkk got longer range then mki? Sir please check google. Mki got long range, refueling ablity, superior avionic and list goes on. Sir why had u said mki got an edge only in dog fight? By its superior avionics mki dont need to engage in dog fight. Mki sees mkk first. Sir about awacs. Can u please tell me apart from america which country got better awacs then israel? india got awacs from israel that china wanted. Now sir lets move on to next weapon. Thank you.

 

[zavis2003]

@ISRO

the only best things in the world are those which INDIA posses, even indian VIMPYRES GNATS can shot down MKK, if anyone dont believe ask indian members they would prove that thing that how GNAT and VIMPYERE would lock the MKK and then how they would fire aadder missiles at target and if sitaution between India and China going intense i feared that Indian airforce may bring GNATs at front line bases, i think now ISRO and all indians members b happy for such real illustration and admiration of facts

 

[zavis2003]

for kind info of all ppl GNATs and Vimpyres are stationed in red alert position in MUSEUMS

 

[gpit]

Sir IAF invited chinese air force for war practise but china rejected it. Now sir you draw ur own conclusion why they rejected. In number china have the edge and in experience and quality india got the edge.

Haha, haha... see this mentality: China rejection of practice = India has higher quality!

Conclusion is drawn.

 

[gpit]

I think one very important factor to look at is......Combat expirience!!

India has fought 3 wars against an enemy that has mostly US made equipement.....

India trains on and has been trained by Russians and their technology....
China similar to India, has Russian machines or reverse engineered Russian fighters....
So as far as training goes, we might have the same doctrines.....however our combat expirience and level of preparedness to face a sudden eventuality of war on 2 sides gives us an edge.....


Now comparing apples to apples....China and India both have similar quality of fighters.....

F7 vs. MIG-21
J-10 vs Mig 29 (Though MIG 29K might be more advanced)
Su30MKK vs. Su30MKI

Now what may give China the edge is their numbers and larger number of AWACS....

However one has to take into account the theatre of battle as well.....
The Tibet region is not a suitable environment for air bases and Ive read about how it can cause problems for the aircraft during take off and landing.....
India has some of its best aircrafts and reopened forward bases in this very region......
I cannot comment about the AP area as my knowledge is limited....

Frankly I cant really pick one as both Air-forces must have their advantages and disadvantges.....I think it could be one hell of a battle!!!


However based on my expirience in the US, if the Chinese fly their planes anything like the way they drive.....trust me they are in a heap of trouble....LOL!!!!

Wished that your logic worked... but, nay!

China fought a war that is bigger than all of your Bharat wars added up in past 100 years, perhaps 1000 years: China fought the United Nations under US leadership in Korea!

Now, stop touting your war experiences. We haven't talked about Vietnam War, Sino-Soviet war...

And please don’t forget that China produces war genius like Sun Tzu in ancient times and Mao and Zhou in modern times.

 

[K^se]

Sir you are right. Having numbers wont let them win. Example 100 F-22 raptors can take out good number of enemy jet fighters. Sir plane and experience both are important. India has experience and superior planes with western avionics while china has egde in numbers but it can't match russia or america because they not only bigger airforce they also got superior jet fighters. Example to give america tough fight enemy country needs 6 times more jet fighters then american air force. America too much into good quality jet fighters. India following american foot step sir.

I'm sorry I can't believe you actually made that ignorant comment...A squadron of F-22 is more than enough to face, any other countries Airforce I believe Kill ratio was 144:0 at the games in Northern Alaska in 2007..I won't even go into the specs of the F-22 to other 4-4.5 generation aircraft because it's tedious and it's a complete waste of time..Overall how fairly trained your Fighter pilots are do give you the edge, and if you seen my post on the first page I did say India has experience of training with U.S Top Guns as well as Israeli Top Guns..

Good for your country that your are following our footsteps but I hope your fighters aren't a bust though like the PAK-FA everyone is been going nuts for, and the LCA a project..

 

[gpit]

How many air battles has PLAAF fought??

Also, do you think bombing Delhi is a joke....You think we are going to leave our capital, the seat of our govenrment without air defence...??

Also you fail to understand that there are diplomatic missions from world over that are based in Delhi......do you know the fallout and political repercussions of attacking a country's capital when your dispute is related to a far eastern territory?? Do I have to spell out the retaliation from India if its capital is attacked.....China would only be stupid to step on a time bomb like that!!!

Dont just make comments for the sake of it......

No, bombing Delhi is NOT a joke, given China's aerial weaponry capability. Instead, being ignorant of that capability is a joke, a BIG joke.

Precision weapons such as intermediate missiles should pick out your bellicose government offices one by one fairly easily.

It would be silly to image that China will not warn foreign countries that bombing of New Delhi is imminent.

Yes, India can well retaliate. But remember, it is only about 300-400 km from Tibet border to New Delhi, but about 3000-4000 km from India to Beijing. Thus it costs you at least 10 times more to deliver the same amount of destruction. In addition, prolonged flying time of your missiles makes them prone to Chinese interception. Therefore, it costs you perhaps 15 more times to deliver the same amount of destruction.

After all, war between big countries is a war against each others’ resources. And Indian does not have bigger resources, yet is in disadvantage in usage, and perhaps in amount as well, of aerial weapons.

Hope the above kindergarten level lecture helps to quench your fever and calm you down.

 

[ISRO2]

No, bombing Delhi is NOT a joke, given China's aerial weaponry capability. Instead, being ignorant of that capability is a joke, a BIG joke.

Precision weapons such as intermediate missiles should pick out your bellicose government offices one by one fairly easily.

It would be silly to image that China will not warn foreign countries that bombing of New Delhi is imminent.

Yes, India can well retaliate. But remember, it is only about 300-400 km from Tibet border to New Delhi, but about 3000-4000 km from India to Beijing. Thus it costs you at least 10 times more to deliver the same amount of destruction. In addition, prolonged flying time of your missiles makes them prone to Chinese interception. Therefore, it costs you perhaps 15 more times to deliver the same amount of destruction.

After all, war between big countries is a war against each others’ resources. And Indian does not have bigger resources, yet is in disadvantage in usage, and perhaps in amount as well, of aerial weapons.

Hope the above kindergarten level lecture helps to quench your fever and calm you down.

Sir 5000KM missile would do the job. Sir about 3000KM india already had agni-3 for it.

 

[ISRO2]

I'm sorry I can't believe you actually made that ignorant comment...A squadron of F-22 is more than enough to face, any other countries Airforce I believe Kill ratio was 144:0 at the games in Northern Alaska in 2007..I won't even go into the specs of the F-22 to other 4-4.5 generation aircraft because it's tedious and it's a complete waste of time..Overall how fairly trained your Fighter pilots are do give you the edge, and if you seen my post on the first page I did say India has experience of training with U.S Top Guns as well as Israeli Top Guns..

Good for your country that your are following our footsteps but I hope your fighters aren't a bust though like the PAK-FA everyone is been going nuts for, and the LCA a project..

sir in a way you are accepting the fact that having 2000 jet fighters again 1000 jet fighters is not war decider. As you said in your post that F-22 far superior. It means you are accepting quality have an edge over quantity. Thank you for that. Now sir about pak-fa. Please sir keep pak-fa out of discussion. Pak-fa will be superior then F-22 raptor. Right now america struggling with F-22 with already crashed before and even most experts in america having doubts on F-22 raptor. So comparing it with Pak-fa bit silly sir. Thank you.

 

[K^se]

sir in a way you are accepting the fact that having 2000 jet fighters again 1000 jet fighters is not war decider. As you said in your post that F-22 far superior. It means you are accepting quality have an edge over quantity. Thank you for that. Now sir about pak-fa. Please sir keep pak-fa out of discussion. Pak-fa will be superior then F-22 raptor. Right now america struggling with F-22 with already crashed before and even most experts in america having doubts on F-22 raptor. So comparing it with Pak-fa bit silly sir. Thank you.

I think you're illiterate you did not read my previous posts and my current...I think that's why you should have stayed in school, if you can revise my posts I say about 3 times before you can finally comprehend core of what I wrote, and the rebuttal I wrote to previous post...Then you can get segment of what I was talking about..

-I won't get into PAK-FA atm it has not made a maiden flight and no specs has been verified on the aircraft...So yeah it's > Proven F-22 LOL

 

[xebex]

IAF Indian Air Force Better Than PLAAF?

yes,IAF Better Than PLAAF

so,We must increase the military expenses

This is very nearly a good enough excuse

thank you!my Indian friend

excuse to whom?? to chinese people??.........Last time i checked, China is ruled by one single party and dont have to go to people for votes hence dont worry about people and their taxpayer money. I didnt knew u guys need any excuse to increase the defence budget.

 

[xebex]

No not really. The only western stuff that India currently has is the old Mirage-2000s and some customization in the Su-30MKI. Everything else is already in PLAAF and in very large numbers. Plus, there are things that IAF dont even have.

It will be competitive in the future when MRCA gets completed. But until then the battle is already lost.

how can China beat India when most of the ingeniousnes stuff china have is in infancy while India possess hardcore metal proven blend of western and russian hardware. do u really think 2000 babies can beat 1000 fully grown adults, Never.....as far as the aircrafts are concerned. If I ever see a ratio of 1 adult vs 2 babies, then i defenitely will bet my entire home mortgage money in favor of that one adult.

About the russian hardware China possess: I wont question the quality of russian hardware, BUT I am not convinced about the avionics it carry in comparison to US,French and Israeli tech, which India have.

 

[ISRO2]

I think you're illiterate you did not read my previous posts and my current...I think that's why you should have stayed in school, if you can revise my posts I say about 3 times before you can finally comprehend core of what I wrote, and the rebuttal I wrote to previous post...Then you can get segment of what I was talking about..

-I won't get into PAK-FA atm it has not made a maiden flight and no specs has been verified on the aircraft...So yeah it's > Proven F-22 LOL

Sir what F-22? Your own goverment wants it to shoot down F-22 from sky. i think america commited to JSF F-35 but like pak-fa your F-35 too not ready and facing alot problems already. Yes sir am illiterate and from country whose growing way too faster then your country. Now sir i wont reply your posts because it seems you lack manners. Well i have mine and i know ignorence is bliss.

 

[K^se]

Sir what F-22? Your own goverment wants it to shoot down F-22 from sky. i think america commited to JSF F-35 but like pak-fa your F-35 too not ready and facing alot problems already. Yes sir am illiterate and from country whose growing way too faster then your country. Now sir i wont reply your posts because it seems you lack manners. Well i have mine and i know ignorence is bliss.

I can't even fathom what you just wrote...Like I said, stay in school and learn proper etiquette of the English Language, also have some basic knowledge in your sentence conjugation and structure.. -_-"

I won't go into the Economics of both our countries...as you can use the internet and GOOGLE it yourself, and Compare why we are ahead of the rest of the world...

 

[ISRO2]

I can't even fathom what you just wrote...Like I said, stay in school and learn proper etiquette of the English Language, also have some basic knowledge in your sentence conjugation and structure.. -_-"

I won't go into the Economics of both our countries...as you can use the internet and GOOGLE it yourself, and Compare why we are ahead of the rest of the world...

sir i will take it as you dont wanna understand. About america ahead rest of countries is true but u can't deny your countries growth graf dropping fast. America braking records in that field. If america keep going at this rate than within few years it would be rated as 4th world country sir. Am serious about it sir. By the way sir the thread is about IAF vs PLAAF. Lets keep fading america bit away from this topic sir. Thank you.