IAF Formally Inducts BrahMos-1 Block-3 Into Service

[SQ8]

As far as SEAD is concerned, I'll be honest I'm more than a bit skeptical of Brahmos's usage for such a complicated mission. It'd take too long to explain my apprehensions, which is why I'll skip it for now.

There are a number of fixed radar installations which are easily targeted by the Brahmos and with a high degree of success.

 

[GR!FF!N]

There are a number of fixed radar installations which are easily targeted by the Brahmos and with a high degree of success.

don't you think for that purpose,our Harpy/Harop will suffice??

 

[SQ8]

don't you think for that purpose,our Harpy/Harop will suffice??

They might, but those platforms fly slower and as such are vulnerable to defences around the sites.

 

[Didact]

There are a number of fixed radar installations which are easily targeted by the Brahmos and with a high degree of success.

That is one part of my apprehension. The other part relates to the fact that without an anti-radiation seeker, The Brahmos is simply not accurate enough to obliterate the radar station even if it hits within it's advertised CEP, courtesy it's 300kg warhead.

A Brahmos impact 10 m from the radar might only cause superficial damage to the radar, a very valid question given the low mass of the explosive, and the fact that due to it's KE on hitting the ground, a good part of the shrapnel will explode up, at a steep curve, and miss altogether the radar.

But that aside, given the significant availibility of ARM assets within IAF, it is quite unlikely a suboptimal solution such as the Brahmos will be commited to SEAD.

Please do note that these are theoretical arguements. The reality might depend on what the IAF has on hand at that moment.

 

[janon]

There are a number of fixed radar installations which are easily targeted by the Brahmos and with a high degree of success.

Yes there are many missions that the AF can do with a ground strike missile, but would it make any difference if the army operated it? I mean, if the army dedicates a few units for the AF's tactical uses? I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be more efficient to only have one service train and operate missiles, since it is a complex skill set that requires a lot of training. Does the PAF operate S2S missiles?

BTW, in the US, all the strategic missiles (ICBMs and IRBMs) are operated only by the AF, I think. Minuteman missiles were all stored in USAF bases.

 

[Sam Manekshaw]

taking the centre of the AB to the centre of the other AB

Pathankot to Sargodha.. 280km
Adampur to Sargodha 300 km
Halwara to Sargodha 310 km

Bhuj AFS to Masroor PAFB 320km
Naliya AFS to Masroor PAFB 270 km
Jamnagar AFS to Masroor 400km

Bhatinda AFS to Rafiqui PAFB 240km
SuratGarh AFS to Rafiqui 220km
Sirsa AFS to Rafiqui 290km


And these are all main airbases... not the forward bases.


Lets take aircraft speeds into account.. on average combat aircraft travel around 700 kmh.. that is their cruise speed on combat missions and not on afterburner or otherwise(which is not how actual missions occur) but for the sake of the point, this will suffice.

Aircraft will then take on average 25 minutes of flight time within each other.
If they go any faster(as they do).. you are looking at strikes coming in with as little as 15 minutes from take off to attack.

The Brahmos travels at an average of 3400 km/h.. that means from launch to impact it has 5 minutes to impact.. now why would the IAF not want that capability knowing what I just showed you.

Considering that it's justified to induct Brahmos in IAF...Thanks for the info...Got what needed.

why do you forget that block III is not just capable of steep dives but is also capable of being launched from multiple platforms like submarines, ships, aircraft and land based Mobile Autonomous Launchers??

I am not aware that Block 3 can be launch from Aircraft...can you provide me link?

 

[Levina]

I am not aware that Block 3 can be launch from Aircraft...can you provide me link?

BrahMos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It can engage ground targets from an altitude as low as 10 meters for surgical strikes with out any collateral damage. It is capable of being launched from multiple platforms like submarines, ships, aircraft and land based Mobile Autonomous Launchers (MAL).

 

[Sam Manekshaw]

BrahMos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i think BrahMos-A is air-launch varient not Block 3.

 

[Parmanu]

brahmos is brahmos 1. the one being inducted. a land attack missile. land to land.

brahmos mini is air launched. upto 3 brahmos minis on a su-30mki. air to land. it is not a air to air missile.

i guess brahmos mini is called brahmos - a.

right ?

 

[Levina]

i think BrahMos-A is air-launch varient not Block 3.

read this....
Brahmos Block III has an advanced guidance and upgraded software, incorporating high manoeuvres at multiple points and steep dive from high altitude. The steep dive capability of the Block III enables it to hit targets hidden behind a mountain range. It will be deployed in Arunachal Pradesh. It can engage ground targets from an altitude as low as 10 meters for surgical strikes with out any collateral damage. It is capable of being launched from multiple platforms like submarines, ships, aircraft and land based Mobile Autonomous Launchers (MAL).
Defence News - All you need to know about BRAHMOS Block III Missile

 

[kurup]

brahmos is brahmos 1. the one being inducted. a land attack missile. land to land.

brahmos mini is air launched. upto 3 brahmos minis on a su-30mki. air to land. it is not a air to air missile.

i guess brahmos mini is called brahmos - a.

right ?

Nope .

Brahmos-1 is capable of being launch from Land , Ship , Sub and Aircraft .

Air launched Brahmos-1 is dubbed Brahmos-A

Brahmos - 1 itself has multiple blocks .

OTOH , Brahmos-3 aka Brahmos-mini aka Brahmos-M is a completely different missile .

 

[Abingdonboy]

frankly I'm surprised that block III version landed in the hands of Indian airforce when it was Indian army which had originally tested its deep penetration capabilities in mountain ranges.And whatever happened to its UCAV variant.

The IA has already placed orders for the Block III also ma'am.

Blk 3 is a good addition, and is there any special division in IAF to handle those missiles?

Of course the IAF will have specifically prepped and trained units for operating the Brahmos, it is more the doctrine behind the employment of such surface-surface missiles by the IAF that intrigues me.

This news really is out of the blue....

Well Brahmos should be able to deliver its payload and return to the base..in short it should be reusable. This was put forward by none other than Mr.APJ Abdul kalam.

A loitering Brahmos!, got that. That is not impossible to do but BRahmos being supersonic is the issue. A loitering weapon needs to be subsonic

This is exactly what the Nirbhay is meant to do. The Bhramos is for time-critical HVTs.

why do you forget that block III is not just capable of steep dives but is also capable of being launched from multiple platforms like submarines, ships, aircraft and land based Mobile Autonomous Launchers??

Ma'am the Block III is not the same as the Brahmos-A. This news is about the IAF's induction of the ground-launched Brahmos Block III, the Brahmos-A ALCM will be inducted next year by the IAF but will be quite different to the land-launched version the IAF is currently inducting.

 

[Juggernautjatt]

IAF has inducted Brahmos mainly to target big radars, airbase hangers,aircraft maintenance facilities, POL storage & runways.
Knocking out SAMs with Brahmos is not that easy because Brahmos is not an anti radiation missile. Apart from that a satellite feed won't be very enough & accurate to pin-point their precise location as most SAM batteries are mobile. Although IAF can use Garuds to point targets (SAMs) for Brahmos.
I hope they will be using TATA trucks this time for missiles not those obsolete TATRAS. Interestingly Missile airframes of these missile are made by Godrej Aerospace. It is nice to see private companies are playing important role in defence sector.

 

[Levina]

Ma'am the Block III is not the same as the Brahmos-A. This news is about the IAF's induction of the ground-launched Brahmos Block III, the Brahmos-A ALCM will be inducted next year by the IAF but will be quite different to the land-launched version the IAF is currently inducting.

Check the 2 diff links that's I've posted .

 

[he-man]

Frankly I was embarrassed to be tagged with those gentlemen there...but I do know that the missile's Block-III version has trajectory maneuver and steep dive endgame to take out targets hidden behind mountain ranges.And will also be useful against naval targets that are more difficult to defend against vertical threats.
In short the Brahmos block III confers upon the IA's artillery arm the ability to block mountain passes thereby bottling up ingressing forces.
Also our govt has approved the deployment of BrahMos missiles in AP to counter China's huge build of military infrastructure.
I hope I didnt go wrong....if I did then ignore it as I'm pretty dilettante. lol

Didn't i tell u before.....tumse na

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