IAF drops Russia from $1 bn deal

[BaburCM]

BaburCM,

Am I seeing a serious contradiction here?
Either these weapons are for simple mussle flexing or for real war.
It can not be both ways. Cross check.

You're the contradiction here. They're meant for muscle flexing because ultimately when it comes down to war we all know that wars aren't solely won by machinery. In fact, technology is only one part of the equation and relying too much on it for victory is a guarantee for failure. Iraq and Afghanistan ring any bells? Check mate.

 

[deltacamelately]

You're the contradiction here. They're meant for muscle flexing because ultimately when it comes down to war we all know that wars aren't solely won by machinery. In fact, technology is only one part of the equation and relying too much on it for victory is a guarantee for failure. Iraq and Afghanistan ring any bells? Check mate.

Exactly. AStan and Iraq are BIG time examples how superior technology can rip apart an inferior enemy. During gulf war, the USAF owing to its far more superior technology vanquished the Iraqi Air Force in no time. Bells ringing indeed.

 

[deltacamelately]

^^the US supply chain is no better - beware!!

Fatman17,
Concur. However, this time around, keeping the whopping amount of money on the otherside of the bargain, India is ensuring that the usual strings are removed before the deals gets through. C-130s are the example to go by. No strings attached. Similar workaround with the Israelis on the Phalcons.

 

[pakpower]

India has to drop Russia from many bids for Military procurments because currently they are seeking more closer ties with USA thier new heads of states hahaha.

 

[Screaming Skull]

Fed up of delays, India shops for non-Russian platforms​

May 29, 2009

New Delhi:

In an articulation of India’s annoyance over nagging delays in several key defence acquisitions, New Delhi finally seems to have decided to reduce its dependence on Russia for military hardware. Two key upcoming acquisitions that Moscow would have liked to believe it had in the bag — the next batch of three aircraft for additional Airborne Early Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) and six refueling aircraft for the Air Force — are all set to be given to non Russian companies.

The signal was clear on Thursday morning at the induction ceremony of India’s first AWACS when an unusually vocal A K Antony publicly asked the Russian ambassador to ensure that defence equipment is delivered in time.

He also took on the Israeli ambassador for delays in the Phalcon AWACS that were delivered a year-and-a-half behind schedule. Russia, followed by Israel is one of the two biggest suppliers of military equipment to India.

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[zeus]

IL-78 is old platform now and are not even manufactured any more, IL-76/78 based tanker and Awacs are based on extra airframes sourced from Ukraine and if i am not wrong even china and Pakistan will be using this frame for tanker role,follow up orders of AWACS will not be based on Il-76 and may be based on other platforms now

 

[xebex]

Its great news For india.

India now has the financial muscle and political clout to buy weapons from any source.

Israel USA & Europe will take a huge slice of the massive indian Arms market.

But even these people will have to learn to adjust to indian rules/ DEMANDS on joint development and % TOT agreements.

This will teach the Russians to mess about with a big player like india. ie Gorskhov and price hikes etc

MRCA will go to the USA guranteed ????? but which one

F16 IN

or F18IN

I really doubt MRCA will go to US. because the maintanance cost for US equipment is very high compared to Russian and India is not buying one or two units. Also US government is insisting on End User Verification Agreement for the "Desi Airfore One" deal and P-8I deal etc etc. On the otherhand if India ink F16/F18 deal with US, it would be a kick in the Butt for pakistani government thatz for sure.

 

[xebex]

IL-78 is old platform now and are not even manufactured any more, IL-76/78 based tanker and Awacs are based on extra airframes sourced from Ukraine and if i am not wrong even china and Pakistan will be using this frame for tanker role,follow up orders of AWACS will not be based on Il-76 and may be based on other platforms now

check this link or read below:-

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

Fed up of delays, India shops for non-Russian platforms

Posted: Friday , May 29, 2009 at 0115 hrs IST

In an articulation of India’s annoyance over nagging delays in several key defence acquisitions, New Delhi finally seems to have decided to reduce its dependence on Russia for military hardware. Two key upcoming acquisitions that Moscow would have liked to believe it had in the bag — the next batch of three aircraft for additional Airborne Early Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) and six refueling aircraft for the Air Force — are all set to be given to non Russian companies.



The signal was clear on Thursday morning at the induction ceremony of India’s first AWACS when an unusually vocal A K Antony publicly asked the Russian ambassador to ensure that defence equipment is delivered in time.



He also took on the Israeli ambassador for delays in the Phalcon AWACS that were delivered a year-and-a-half behind schedule. Russia, followed by Israel is one of the two biggest suppliers of military equipment to India.





Antony’s outburst against delays by Russia has been preceded by action from the Indian Air Force. A top official confirmed that in the follow on order for three additional AWACS, that is likely to be placed by 2012, the Russian IL 76 aircraft will be replaced by a different plane.



While the first three Israeli AWACS to be delivered by next year will be mounted on the Russian IL 76 aircraft, when the next order is placed, the aircraft used will either be the American Gulfstream or Brazilian Embraer jets.



“We will replace the IL 76 by a modern aircraft like the Gulfstream or Embraer. Both have an endurance of nine hours that is close to what the Russian aircraft has,” an official said.




While the ageing IL 76 is one concern, the real trouble for Russia seems to be its inability to deliver the aircraft on time for the AWACS deal that was signed in 2004. Sources said that Russia overshot its schedule for modernisation of the IL 76 aircraft with new engines and avionics, leading to the programme going back by a year-and-a-half.



Another deal that Moscow would have thought it had secured — additional refueling aircraft for the IAF — is also set to go the European Airbus 330 MRTT. This comes as a surprise as India’s current fleet of air-to-air refuelers are Russian IL 78 aircraft. It would have been easier to place a follow on order for the Russian tankers and would have been far easier to operate them as maintenance facilities already exist in the country.



However, while the Russian aircraft was also considered for the contract, the IAF has placed it below the Airbus in the crucial flight evaluations that decide the procurement. IAF says that the Airbus scored way above the Russian aircraft and has given it as its preference for the contract.

 

[Mujahid91]

actually the deal was dropped because India doesnt have $1Billion for the deal India is about to go bankrupt accuring new Fighter Jets and overlooking the 40% of the worlds poor population live in India if your an Indian stop being so ingorant try help out some poor than talk about some Billion dollar deals.

 

[xebex]

actually the deal was dropped because India doesnt have $1Billion for the deal India is about to go bankrupt accuring new Fighter Jets and overlooking the 40% of the worlds poor population live in India if your an Indian stop being so ingorant try help out some poor than talk about some Billion dollar deals.

Nice try but no use