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IAF chooses Boeing's latest C-17 for heavy-lift transport aircraft
By Gulshan Luthra. Delhi, India, 03:00 PM IST

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has shortlisted the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III as its new Very Heavy Lift Transport Aircraft (VHTAC).

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik is quoted by the India Strategic defence magazine as saying that the aircraft had been chosen after a thorough study because of its capability to take off and land on short runways with heavy loads, long range, and ease of operation.

IAF was looking at acquiring ten C-17s initially through the US government's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route, and a proposal in this regard was being considered by the Ministry of Defence (MoD), he said adding that the aircraft should come in about three years after a contract is signed.

The air chief, who spoke to India Strategic on the eve of the Paris Air Show beginning Monday, is also quoted as saying in its report that flight trials for the six Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) would begin in July and end around March 2010. The chosen MMRCA should start coming to India by 2014.

Outlining the trial procedure, Air Chief Marshal Naik said that initially, test pilots from IAF's elite Bangalore-based Aircraft and Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) would visit the manufacturing facilities of the six contenders; in the second round, they would test the aircraft's performance in humid, hot and cold weather in Bangalore, Jaisalmer and Leh; and in the third and final round, they would test live precision weapon firings from the aircraft in the country of their manufacturer or another country designated by them.

'There would be one team leader but two or three sub-teams, and the template would be common for all,' he was quoted as saying.

The six aircraft in the fray are European EADS Eurofighter, US Lockheed Martin F-16 Viper and Boeing F-18 Super Hornet, French Rafale, Swedish Gripen and Russian Mig 35. One of them would be chosen to supply 126 aircraft worth about $10 billion, but the order could go up by another 50 per cent to 189 aircraft, a clause for which is built in the tender (Request for Proposal or RfP) issued last year. The interview report has been published in the June edition of India Strategic, being released at the Paris Air Show.

Notably, except for the Su30-MKI, all the combat and transport aircraft of the IAF were acquired in the 1980s, and IAF needs new, and newer generation, aircraft to replace and augment that capacity.

India has about 100-plus medium An-32 and less than 20 heavy lift IL-76 aircraft. It is difficult to get their spares as the Soviet Union where they were made has disintegrated into Russia and other states. IAF has acquired old, refurbished IL-76 platforms for its AWACS and Midair Refueler requirements.

An agreement was being signed with Ukraine to upgrade and modernize the An-32s, the Air Chief said.

An IL-76 can carry a cargo of around 45 tonnes and has a crew of six while a C-17 can carry 70 tonnes, and is much easier to operate with a small crew of two pilots and one loadmaster (total three), thanks to its various power-assisted systems. Two observers though can also be seated.

Despite its massive size - 174 ft length, 55 ft height and about 170 ft wingspan - a pilot can fly the C-17 with a simple joystick, much like a fighter aircraft, which can be lifesaving in a battlezone as the aircraft can take off quickly and at steep angles. It is powered by four Pratt and amp; Whitney F-117-PW-100 turbofan engines.

Air Chief Marshal Naik said that IAF required contemporary and futuristic aircraft and systems, and that there was an urgency to acquire modern aircraft. The government shared the concern of the armed forces, and the pace to renew IAF's assets was on schedule. By 2020-25, IAF would achieve its optimum level (of 45 squadrons).

At present, it is down from its sanctioned strength of 39.5 squadron to around 30-32, but this trend has been arrested, particularly with the induction of more Su30-MKIs and Jaguars. India has given a repeat order of 40 Su30-MKIs to Russia to take their total number to 230.

The requirement today is for technologically better, easier to maintain, and a larger number of combat and other aircraft, including helicopters, due to the strategic scenario around India and the need to ferry troops, men and material even within India in times of contingency and natural disasters.

He observed: 'The IAF of the future, post-2025, would consist of FGFA (Fith Generation Fighter Aircraft), Su30-MKIs, MRCAs and Tejas/MCA (indigenous Medium Combat Aircraft) with multi-role as well as significant swing role capability.'

'They would employ advanced technologies, sensors and precision weapons. The larger aircraft, i.e. FGFA and Su30 would focus on Air Dominance and specialise in similar roles in long ranges over land and sea, while the MRCAs would don a variety of medium-range and tactical roles. These assets would be capable of all weather, day and night attack with adequate self-protection capability... these assets would be immensely capable and are not going to be confined to the strictly stereotyped roles. They would carry out a number of roles in the same mission.'

Air Chief Marshal Naik, who assumed charge May 31 from Air Chief Marshal F.H. Major, would be visiting the Paris Air Show along with top IAF officers to witness what new technologies are being introduced and displayed there by various aircraft manufacturers.

The Air Chief said that IAF was also looking at more AWACS but after studying how the first lot of three Phalcon AWACS functions. The first of these aircraft was delivered last month, and the remaining two would be delivered by Israel in 2010.

He indicated that IAF had short-listed the Airbus A330 MRTT to augment its Midair Refueller requirement, and that the proposal was being processed by the Ministry of Defence. IAF already has six IL-76-based aerial refuellers, designated as IL-78.

As for the C-17, Boeing has brought the aircraft several times to India for its literal catwalk on IAF tarmacs, including at the Aero India 2007 and 2009 in Bangalore. Indian military officials and journalists have been invited for the aircraft's flight displays during the Paris Air Show.

The C-17 is the mainstay of the US forces for worldwide deployment, and can be refuelled midair. It is in fact the lifeline of US and NATO troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

According to the Boeing company, the high-wing, 4-engine, multi-service T-tailed military-transport C-17 can carry large equipment including tanks, supplies and troops directly to small airfields in harsh terrain anywhere in the world day or night.

The massive, sturdy, long-haul aircraft tackles distance, destination and heavy, oversized payloads in unpredictable conditions. It has delivered cargo in every worldwide operation since the 1990s. It can take off from a 7,600-ft airfield, carry a payload of 160,000 pounds, fly 2,400 nautical miles, refuel while in flight for longer range, and land in 3,000 ft or less on a small unpaved or paved airfield day or night.

The aircraft can also be used as an aerial ambulance.

(Gulshan Luthra is a defence analyst. He can be reached at gulshan.luthra@indiastrategic.in)

By Gulshan Luthra (Staff Writer, © IANS)
 
a comment on the above article:
Myron D. Stokes wrote:
Excellent analysis by Gulshan Luthra, although the maximum payload for C-17 is 87 tonnes, not 70. As was recently noted in an Aviation Week response outlining the extraordinary capabilities of this aircraft, and, in my opinion, a concerted effort to bring about its demise to render others desirous of participating in an arena C-17 dominates -- tactical/strategic airlift -- an opportunity, the author proferred the following:

"The U.S. already has an answer for tactical and strategic airlift, and it's called C-17. As experience has demonstrated in Iraq, Afghanistan, humanitarian/disaster relief, Antarctic re-supply and elsewhere around the globe, the C-17 has proven itself, perhaps inarguably, as the best tactical/strategic airlifter the world has ever known. Tell me please, are there places of true tactical significance the C130J goes that C-17 cannot? (Payload: 25T vs 87T)

"And just because the current administration is disingenuously demanding an end to C-17 production at 205 based on "internal Pentagon analyses" (in actuality, the GAO and Congressionally dismissed 2005/2006 Mobility Capabilities Study (MCS)), exactly what aircraft exists on the planet to do what this superlative bird from Boeing(McDonnell-Douglas)routinely accomplishes within a broad swath of airlift missions?

"If permissible within this medium of communication, I strongly suggest that AW [USA TODAY as well] readers -- and for that matter the editorial staff -- take a long exhaustive look at the data contained with a recent press release from Global HeavyLift Holdings, LLC Global HeavyLift States Boeing C-17 Production Must Be Maintained; Pursues BC-17 additional ref: Boeing close to launching commercial 'BC-17'-29/05/2007-Los Angeles-Flight International) relative to C-17 production continuance. It also seems to totally neutralize, and decidedly so, the arguments presented by the SECDEF as compelling reasons to kill C-17, not the least of which is the multi-billon retrofit through RERP/REAMP of Lockheed-Martin's C-5 Galaxy(M)an aircraft which has never met mission expectations; currently turning in a 56% mission completion rate. In other words, half the time it's flying, half the time it's not.

"Really, how can presumably logical people both within government and industry try to justify the termination of a relatively new (operational 1993)airlift aircraft that has met and exceeded expectations in favor of retrofitting 35-42 year-old C-5s originally designed for a Cold War mission and that require complete control of the skies to safely operate in a war theater?

"The content in this release, I believe, should forever lay to rest the completely unnecessary discussions regarding the "tactical airlift" problem for the US and most NATO allies.

"Also worth noting relative to expansion of organic airlift to include Heavy and Outsize within the CRAF:
Commercial Application of Military Airlift Aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The only problem is that there aren't enough C-17s, and according to some whose opinions count, up to 600 aircraft to cover a global asymmetric/conventional warfighting mission are required. Such a fleet expansion would permit new levels of rapid deployment even into austere locales with minimal mission repetitiveness.

"A wise man once, said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"... perfectly analogous to C-17..."

Compliments to the IAF for recognizing, at this stage of evaluation-for-acquisition process, the intrinsic flexibility,capacity, all-environmental capability coupled with superb airborne athleticism, of Boeing C-17.

Myron D. Stokes
Managing Member
Global HeavyLift Holdings, LLC
 
Guys as always there is a disparity between the title and the reality. "shortlisted" is not the same as "chosen"
 
Guys as always there is a disparity between the title and the reality. "shortlisted" is not the same as "chosen"

Its actually not shortlisted. It under "evaluation for acquisition". I believe that its very different from "shortlisted".

The numbers are not reported yet, but lets hope the EUA doesn't come with too many restrictions.
 
Everything we short list or buy these days involves either Israel or USA.

i,M stil clinging on to the hope we don,t make a huge mistake and spend $10 billion on a USA legacy fighter for MRCA contract. Simply to much baggage with a fighter that will be phassed out by USA andc allies by 2020.

RAFALE all the way.

Awesome machine and will remain hitech frontline until at least 2030..

I just don,t trust the Yanks or the Russians these days
 
Everything we short list or buy these days involves either Israel or USA.

i,M stil clinging on to the hope we don,t make a huge mistake and spend $10 billion on a USA legacy fighter for MRCA contract. Simply to much baggage with a fighter that will be phassed out by USA andc allies by 2020.

RAFALE all the way.

Awesome machine and will remain hitech frontline until at least 2030..

I just don,t trust the Yanks or the Russians these days

i couldn't agree more.
ruskies and yanks cannot be trusted at this moment. although i trust ruskies more.
rafale is most suitable for long run with very little strings and besides french will help us other small projects. no problem for spare parts and main stay of french force.they are desperate to sale this fighter and we will get benefit in scorpene deal.
 
I just don't understand why indians people don't trust Russia.They have helped you so much through Cold war!Well I am hoping Indians go for US Jet.
 
I just don't understand why indians people don't trust Russia.They have helped you so much through Cold war!Well I am hoping Indians go for US Jet.

There is no question to trust Russia we are trusting Russia but now India want best Technology from anywhere in the world in these days Russia not deliver the goods on times mid way price excretion spare part problem
 
Russian weapons now in not best condition. Developments of soviet times become older and older... To start a new huge money are needed. In some areas we still have nice positions, but in the rest... this is sad : )

Not clear about planes. But I would advise to indian generals buy as much as possible AA missles from Russia : ))

They kill any birds.
 
There is no question to trust Russia we are trusting Russia but now India want best Technology from anywhere in the world in these days Russia not deliver the goods on times mid way price excretion spare part problem
I was not talking about new tech..was just talking in General.Of course they can no longer offer you Soviet era prices but they're still very reliable suppliers IMHO.
 
Russian weapons now in not best condition. Developments of soviet times become older and older... To start a new huge money are needed. In some areas we still have nice positions, but in the rest... this is sad : )

Not clear about planes. But I would advise to indian generals buy as much as possible AA missles from Russia : ))

They kill any birds.

Russians are among most trusted friends and i wanted to say in my earlier post that we cannot face delays now and Russians are not good enough at this crucial time for delivery. but they have to know that we will face a enemy who is much stronger and big so we need high tech weapons. either they have to produce best or look for appropriate buyers.
Best thing for Russians to start joint ventures with India and Brazil combined so they will get sufficient money as well as able to produce most high tech weapons. Thus they will be again in the 'best sellers league'.
 
Can anybody tell me if there were other aircrafts possible, maybe Russian once?

The trust in Russia is still there, but the problems of price negotiation after orders are signed and getting spares are the reason to go for more western stuff.
Also by the end of the Soviet Union the big Russian aero companies lost a big part of funding for new models. They still are able to develop techs that even Western countries can't, but don't have the money for it, just look at how many developments of aircrafts were cancelled. That's also why it was a good decision to merge the companies and concentrate only on the good projects. For India it is difficult to buy a Mig 35 for example, without having a confidence that spares and upgrades will be available for the whole servicelife. That's why co-developments where we can produce much of the parts in India are preferable.
 
IAF was looking at acquiring ten (10) C-17s initially through the US government's Foreign Military Sales (FMS). With aircraft deliveries likely to commence about three years after the signing of a contract.

IL-76 can carry a cargo of around 45 tonnes and has a crew of six while a C-17 can carry 70 tonnes, and is much easier to operate with a small crew of two pilots and one loadmaster (total three).

It is powered by four Pratt & Whitney F-117-PW-100 turbofan engines. C-17 is the mainstay of the US forces for worldwide deployment, and can be refuelled midair.

It is in fact the lifeline of US and NATO troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

According to the Boeing company, the high-wing, 4-engine, multi-service T-tailed military-transport C-17 can carry large equipment including tanks, supplies and troops directly to small airfields in harsh terrain anywhere in the world day or night.

It can take off from a 7,600-ft airfield, carry a payload of 160,000 pounds, fly 2,400 nautical miles, refuel while in flight for longer range, and land in 3,000 ft or less on a small unpaved or paved airfield day or night.

C-17, Boeing has brought the aircraft several times to India for its literal catwalk on IAF tarmacs, including at the Aero India 2007 and 2009 in Bangalore. Indian military officials and journalists have been invited for the aircraft's flight displays during the Paris Air Show.
 
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