IAF at Farkhor Air Base in Tajikistan present & future Ambitions

[Alchemy]

Yes now, but for how long? what happens after the NATO pull out, seems they are too eager to wind up more or less by end of 2013. So what happens in Afg after that is anybody's guess. We cannot fly over Pakistani airspace to give a helping hand can we?

I too have similar views .

Northern Alliance has always been a traditional ally of India ever since legendary Lion of Panjshir ... Even now and in future it will continue to be .NA even has good ties with Afghan. The airbase will be up and running by the time NATO will gradually pull out , It might just be a strategic move with the blessings of Russia and may be even the US.

for those claiming it to be for safeguarding/securing Tajik oil or resources , its a complete landlocked country , how can we possibly get them to India ?

 

[TVVELVEMO$]

Russia our long time strategic ally weapons giving weapons to Pakistan? take your prozac buddy your typing up a lot of BS

Apparently you have been spending way too much time under your favorite rock, get out much?

Keep the generic Indian manufactured Fluoxetine ready for yourself. Medvedev, Putin &/or Lavrov are due in Islamabad shortly....you will need extra large doses.

A little history lesson for ya, :- USSR supplied 50 tanks to Pakistan in 1974 under Grandpa Bhutto's request. Do some research. With a Call sign/User ID like that I do appreciate the irony in your case.

If I were you I would read up on Ka-50/52 Black Shark/Alligator; Mil-28 Havoc; Mil-35M; S-300/s-400 and maybe AL31F turbofans.

Oh yes Russians are willing to invest heavily in their Steel industry and Energy security.

You will be eating you own BS very soon.

Now addressing the Pakistani paranoia; one does not build a counter airbase but instead develop a Spec. Op capability to strike such a lonely outpost all there by itself in the wasteland of Central Asia without any hope of re-supply without the generosity of Iranians. PAF had been contemplating Skardu deployment long before Ayni ever came up....from the days of Pressler.

 

[TVVELVEMO$]

@indianspetsnaz
Since you display US flag, I would suggest you go to local library and look up Russian-Pakistan relations circa 1972-1975. Feel free to ask the nice lady there to help you if it is your first time. The deal I quoted predates Internet and Wiki. And I am not going to go in and add it at Wiki just to please your somnolent sensibilities. It also precedes T-80 UD deal by 30 years.

As for you last gibberish, I could'nt get a good translation on that. But from your profile suggests it is worthless off-color comment. I thought this was an "English" forum.
I leave you to wallow in your own dope. I expect to engage others in grown-up strategic affairs and not zing others with pseudo nationalism as a key board warrior.

 

[indianspetsnaz]

@indianspetsnaz
Since you display US flag, I would suggest you go to local library and look up Russian-Pakistan relations circa 1972-1975. Feel free to ask the nice lady there to help you if it is your first time. The deal I quoted predates Internet and Wiki. And I am not going to go in and add it at Wiki just to please your somnolent sensibilities. It also precedes T-80 UD deal by 30 years.

As for you last gibberish, I could'nt get a good translation on that. But from your profile suggests it is worthless off-color comment. I thought this was an "English" forum.
I leave you to wallow in your own dope. I expect to engage others in grown-up strategic affairs and not zing others with pseudo nationalism as a key board warrior.

i ask what does Russo-Pak relations around 1972-1975 have to do with anything especially anything today? did you forget a year before Russia sent nuclear armed submarines and ships to counter the Americans sending the USS enterprise in support of Pakistan during the 1971 Indo-Pak war? why did Russia condemn Pakistanis nuclear detonations but not India's? why did Pakistan train and arm Mujhadeen fighters when the soviets were in Afghanistan and also why did the PAF shoot down 10 soviet intruders while the soviets were in Afghanistan? why did Russia object the use of RD-33 turbofans on JF-17 fighters going to Pakistan from China?

from your posts i am starting to think that you believe Russia is gonna become Pakistans most strategic ally after China i have yet to see a single genuine source supporting your frivolous claims. Russia wants to sell its S-400 to India how do you think Pakistan feels about that?

 

[Aryavart]

until our core issues are not resolved we are hostile to each other, so any move that has a military angle to it has the potential to cause alarm on the opposing side.

consider the news of a PAF base in China bordering India and then decide if you would accept our assurances or not?

the base might have more regional goals not entirely focused for Pakistan but given the proximity, its location and our less than impressive relationship only leave us with the choice of caution and prepare accordingly.

Sir jee..India is not not interested at all to solve any issues with pakistan...simply pakistan is hardly matters for Indian affairs...our foriegn & defence office too busy in bringing latest weaponory from US, UK, Russia France and Israel , and bringing cheap oil from Iran Iraq Libya...busy with asean countries...bringing more uranium across the globe...abhi time nai hai apne paas,,,jab sara kaam done ho jaega tab sochenge..till then hamara ek sapna Status Quo...

Sorry .. no offence. my reply is always aniticipated from any Indian..so please dont mind..

 

[Screambowl]

what ever it is used for, it will give us more iron claws. Keep it a secret..

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir jee..India is not not interested at all to solve any issues with pakistan...simply pakistan is hardly matters for Indian affairs...our foriegn & defence office too busy in bringing latest weaponory from US, UK, Russia France and Israel , and bringing cheap oil from Iran Iraq Libya...busy with asean countries...bringing more uranium across the globe...abhi time nai hai apne paas,,,jab sara kaam done ho jaega tab sochenge..till then hamara ek sapna Status Quo...

Sorry .. no offence. my reply is always aniticipated from any Indian..so please dont mind..

thats ok,
no offense taken we must be honest which is a good start. I dont think the thread is about the moral justification of acquring weapons of building overseas bases so lets leave it there.

I have explained before but I will do it agian one more time for you that my response was to a question by an Indian why Pakistan sees that base with concern and you have quoted my answer.

and your response to my post is just the confirmation yet again. Also note the follow up posts to my answer also just confirmed what I said , including your post actually answered the question in the end of post number 35 by your fellow Indian.

I must point out that there is no consistency in the responses from Indian side about this thread.

some are playing down the significance of this base entirely.
some are justifying it as a means to safeguard Indian interests in Afghanistan.
some are justifying it as a means to use it in case of any future hostilities with Pakistan
and some are saying that its one of the many steps to assert Indian influence in the region which basically confirms what the thread starter has suggested.


please dont be offended by my post either. this is neither a moral debate nor is criminal proceedings to prove guilt or a crime. while the ambitions of your country are impressive and so is the military expenditure.
but do try to give some time to self confidence building too and do address the knee jerk reaction that sends people and your government into defensive mode the moment o anything that does show India favorably.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

just take the statement on its face value.
collision with an aggressor carries its own risks so Tajikistan has to make its risk assessment.
consider China giving a base to PAF and then that base being used to launch attacks from the North in case of any conflict.

would you give the similiar vote of innocence to China like you have passed on to Tajikistan?

You made an interesting point.

In the case of China there would now doubt as Tibetan plateau is elevated and hence it affects the aircraft i.e lower weapons payload, lower fuel hence lesser operational radius and effectiveness. Except base at Chengdu PLAF has no airbases near to Indian border, hence it would make good sense to assume If PLAF has base on Pakistani soil it is for India.

But current case is different in the Indo-Pak scenario, considering the proximity , i doubt the above case holds any significant analogy,except for the psychological impact on India or Pakistan.

Also Unlike PLAF base on Pakistan, India cannot supply its base in Tajikistan in the event of hostilities.

I clearly understand Pakistan getting uncomfortable about this, but don't you think this is exactly what India Strategic Planners would want , to either keep Pakistani Planners in a state of limbo about Indian intentions or make them focus on something seemly insignificant.

The probably reason for this base for supplying NA in Afghanistan and as ares mentioned regarding the highjacking ICC

 

[MilSpec]

wait a min, So does India operate two air bases Ayni and Farkhor?

 

[Secur]

So what happens to Tajikistan if a attack is launched from there ? ... Haven't they ever thought anything about the implication of providing base to our adversary ? ...

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

I have no problem in having such topics on PDF for a healthy discussion.

But please, this is in the wrong section.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

I have no problem in having such topics on PDF for a healthy discussion.

But please, this is in the wrong section.

ageed
moved to world military forum


@Sandy

yea I have come across the name of Ayni base too. so IAF is steadily progressing in the way this article is suggesting.

@Syama Ayas
I agee with what you are saying. I am not questioning the moral justification of the base. just expressing the possible/ potential implications for PAF.

some of my posts have been to explain why this concern and suspicion exists, the follow up responses were unnecessarily charged with rhetoric and emotions . I did explain later on why I said what I said but people keep quoting my original reply to a question without bothering to see the later conversation. And I know that’s not the end of it. Jingoism and elementary grasp of the language will mean that a lot of huffing and puffing responses will be posted but hopefully we will stay on track.

 

[Gessler]

India-Tajikistan has security pacts, any attack on Tajikistan will be seen as a direct attack on India.

Time to bring them under our ballistic missile defense system.

My friend, you are ABSOLUTELY right!!!!
bring Tajikistan (and VietNam too) under India's ballistic missile defense shield

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

My friend, you are ABSOLUTELY right!!!!
bring Tajikistan (and VietNam too) under India's ballistic missile defense shield

Phele let BMD be operational in India.

Besides i don't even think US has BMDs of covering such a large range.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

thats ok,
no offense taken we must be honest which is a good start. I dont think the thread is about the moral justification of acquring weapons of building overseas bases so lets leave it there.

I have explained before but I will do it agian one more time for you that my response was to a question by an Indian why Pakistan sees that base with concern and you have quoted my answer.

and your response to my post is just the confirmation yet again. Also note the follow up posts to my answer also just confirmed what I said , including your post actually answered the question in the end of post number 35 by your fellow Indian.

I must point out that there is no consistency in the responses from Indian side about this thread.

some are playing down the significance of this base entirely.
some are justifying it as a means to safeguard Indian interests in Afghanistan.
some are justifying it as a means to use it in case of any future hostilities with Pakistan
and some are saying that its one of the many steps to assert Indian influence in the region which basically confirms what the thread starter has suggested.


please dont be offended by my post either. this is neither a moral debate nor is criminal proceedings to prove guilt or a crime. while the ambitions of your country are impressive and so is the military expenditure.
but do try to give some time to self confidence building too and do address the knee jerk reaction that sends people and your government into defensive mode the moment o anything that does show India favorably.

Very good points above.
Now, w.r.t. the bases at Ayni and Farkhor there is little chance of those bases being used in a "conflict situation" e.g. Indo-Pak conflict. Do the Tajiks even remotely wish to be drawn into a conflict between two parties that has nothing to do with them. That is the diplomatic scenario. Now the situation under International Law will also not permit those bases to be used in conflicts unless there is a specific Treaty that permits such use; no such treaty is known of. At best those bases are just technical facilities that have been extended and maintained with some common interests in mind; waging war jointly is not likely to be part of those!

Any amount of jingoistic saber-rattling by anyone will not be able to cover that fact.