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really? can you tell me the battalions that in punjab close to the border in peace time? only hours away from an attack? because clearly in peace time they cannot be deployed there.

Bhai mere i am from Jammu.So whenever i visit Punjab i travel throught the border area.I am not an expert but i have seen tanks in hundreds like 300 kms from border beginning from Jammu all the way to norther Punjab....easily close to 50,000 troops would be present in this small stretch which will be 100-200 kms North-South.
 
A modern mechanized warfare launched simultaneously by 'Integrated Battle Groups', advancing on planned axis of movements to attack and capture preplanned destinations. Use of IBG's along with air assets to overwhelm and destroy the enemy. Basically, the CDS is a new name for the Air-Land Battle Strategy NATO invented in the early 80's and executed it to perfection during Desert Storm. A very ambitious goal i might say for the likes of India, but you have to keep in mind NATO is a first world army with a first world officers core. IA simply does not has the number and quality of officers that are required to execute this doctrine, while the lower cadre of IA unlike NATO's is not capable enough to execute orders due to their constraints (literacy, training, exposure etc).



I know exactly what CDS is, i have studied it quite thoroughly. I have had discussions in detail in the past with other senior Indian members whose knowledge far exceed yours.

IA performing Corps size exercises itself defeats the entire premise of CDS, you are just contradicting yourself. The purpose of CDS is to perform brigade level operations, and not at Corps level. Also the exercises that i have witnessed and read thoroughly about, there is no indication that CDS has been implemented on the field yet. IA is still exercising at Corps Level and is planning attrition warfare simulations and not deep battle of annihilations, that itself indicates that there are no exercises planned for brigade or division levels.



And how exactly are these assets going to take out PA's defences? Please give me a detailed scenario in this regard.

You are talking as if PA itself is not data linked to all her other situational awareness assets. The basic flaw behind your argument is that everything IA will put it into the battlefield will automatically crush whatever PA will throw at them. Thats a very faulty premise, and i know for a fact this premise is not something that a professional Army like IA subscribes to. Pakistan's situational awareness is almost as good as India, infact when it comes to live reccon its even better than that of India's. US supplied DB110 reccon pods are the most advanced in the world and can look deep into India to get a real time live picture. The access India has to SAT imagery is not live time, and PA/PAF are fielding an army of UAV's.


Well,Firstly you are underestimating the strength of IA officers and you also mentioned the point that the lower cadre of the IA is not capable coz of literacy and other issue which is completely wrong.Nowadays the Army is taking great effort in making sure that every soldier that leaves the Army after serving his tenure has a graduation degree.This has already started among our SFs and soon if going to be implemented by the Infantry and other wings.I hope you know about the F-INSAS system where the lower cadres will be in charge and will be leading from the front and will have hi-tech technology in their hands...Hence the IA wants them to be capable enough to operate this system..The IA is undergoing great transformation.

Cold Start also means that the concept of holding corps and strike corps is no more valid.The thing is now without waiting for the Strike Corps the Holding corps are expected to launch attacks till the time the Strike Corps reach their positions and from then they can take on.This will save a lot of time.IA high command thinks time is very important here..It wants to achieve its objectives as soon as possible so that there is less time spent on negotiations in International forums.


Regarding the comment on your debate with a Indian who had more knowledge on cold start..I am really happy for you because what real cold start is..is known by IA officers only...Maybe the Pakistan Army would have a better chance now after knowing the secrets.

you can only field an Army of UAVs while we will have dedicated Satellites for the 3 services..and it was you who said the PA is well dug out.I am sorry being dug out wont mean a thing with the current technology...and the rest of your comments are based on twisting my reply to say PA doesnt have situational awareness which i never said.

I suggest you read a few articles to update yourselves on the transformation our forces are going through.

First satellite for armed forces to be ready in a month - Times Of India



CDS does not mean that the IA will end the the system of Corps operating in a theatre.It means that independent brigades will be used for a attacking while the there wil still be corps operating in conjuction with them.


The thing is in future with the F-INSAS,dedicated satellites,data links and orders for attack helis in hundreds the comment that we are very well dug out and there will be huge losses coz of it bye a person who thinks he knows it all is kinda funny...I would be even surprised if your PA Generals have an idea of cold start coz it is a constant evolving process which gets corrected by excercises conducted each year.Reading a few articles from 2005-6 and considering it a thorough study is a disrespect to a plan laid down in years after planning by the core of IA officers after experiences in past.
 
Bhai mere i am from Jammu.So whenever i visit Punjab i travel throught the border area.I am not an expert but i have seen tanks in hundreds like 300 kms from border beginning from Jammu all the way to norther Punjab....easily close to 50,000 troops would be present in this small stretch which will be 100-200 kms North-South.

well seeing TANKS is different from seeing mobilization. and it would be nice to know which mechanised Corps is close enough to the border inorder to make an advance. and i assure you due to modern era Pakistan ould definetly know about where the indian crops are deployed & must already have a contigency plan to counter them. Hence cold start is a good concept but implementing it is a whole different ball game!
 
well seeing TANKS is different from seeing mobilization. and it would be nice to know which mechanised Corps is close enough to the border inorder to make an advance. and i assure you due to modern era Pakistan ould definetly know about where the indian crops are deployed & must already have a contigency plan to counter them. Hence cold start is a good concept but implementing it is a whole different ball game!

Tanks are close to the border..thats the point.It is anyways called the chickens neck..a region which faced aggression from the PA so the IA is already prepared there and the area is in Punjab.

I assure you that i know Pakistan Army would know this ;) coz the current technology is such..I mean look at the advancements man..nowadays you can know whats going on ground from satellites even when theres thick fog.Do you know what used to happen in world war era?..to clear fog an enitire region was lit in flames or hundreds of heaters used to be put coz heating results in killing fog....we have come a long way from then and nowadays Armies even know the formations,name of commanders and details about their enemy which could surprise even you and me.

Cold start is a good concept and work is being done on it...with future modernisation and practice it will be complete and very lethal.
 
Mr any one can edit Wikipedia first of all yes he admitted because of Musharraf because the blames which were put on him can't done without government support

i still find a same text in last one year viewing mr. khan profile at wikipedia, but what about the editing of his own statement with in week ?
 
Dr. Munir Ahmad and Dr. Samar Mubarak Mand

They are the real chief architects behind Pakistan's nuclear program, Dr. AQ Khan's part was only related to the acquisition of centrifuges.

Dr. Bashir was pioneer of Pakistan Atomic program and head of PAEC. Initially Dr. khan had joined PAEC under Dr. Bashir but demand early for another lab under his control near Islamabad. our neuclear program had run parllely at two venue. AQ lab generate uraniunm enrichment and PAEC produce plutonium enrichment which is 10 time more powerfull than uranium based Atomic bomb. or first blast was uranium based and others are plutonium based made by PAEC.Moreover AQ lab had produce only uranium enrichment without make a successful cold test and was unable to make blast without help of PAEC.
 
This man is a scumbag- he sold nuke tech to NK and Iran and he is arguing he made Pakistan safer but he made the world a lot more dangerous.
 
Tanks are close to the border..thats the point.It is anyways called the chickens neck..a region which faced aggression from the PA so the IA is already prepared there and the area is in Punjab.

I assure you that i know Pakistan Army would know this ;) coz the current technology is such..I mean look at the advancements man..nowadays you can know whats going on ground from satellites even when theres thick fog.Do you know what used to happen in world war era?..to clear fog an enitire region was lit in flames or hundreds of heaters used to be put coz heating results in killing fog....we have come a long way from then and nowadays Armies even know the formations,name of commanders and details about their enemy which could surprise even you and me.

Cold start is a good concept and work is being done on it...with future modernisation and practice it will be complete and very lethal.

lethal and equally coutnered with the modernisation and practice.
 
after every war pakistan came stronger u guys on forum chat and bla bla abt war u never saw any war =)) and by the way to all indians if ^pakistan is so small u guys fight with us 4 wars in 1948 , 65 , 71 , kargil every time ur army was bigger but pakistan army beat the **** out of ur army i remember a text of indian captn when he was trying to take a post in kargil he said his man were dyng like dog :D soo as i was saying then why indian was never able to take pakistan my dear ur polticns are just barking dogs cz they knew what pakistan army can do and what ur army cant doo
 
A good read about Cold Start


From Mandeep Singh Bajwa on India-Pakistan military exercises Indian Army corps on the Pakistan front used to exercise every 2-3 years, but now the tempo has accelerated to once every year and the trend has become multi-corps exercises. In India the HQ above corps is the Command, which is both a geographical and a tactical arrangement. There are no field army HQs, though the matter comes up for discussion from time-to-time.

Before Cold Start, the army on the Pakistan front was divided into strike and holding corps. So XV, XVI, XI, X, and XII Corps were holding, and I, II and XXI were strike. The holding corps defensively protected their area of the front. Now all corps are to go on the offensive; indeed, most of Cold Start will be conducted by the former holding corps. As part of the offensive doctrine - a major change because since 1947 India has used the defensive-offensive configuration - the assumption is a war will be short. There will be neither time for mobilization, nor for learning on the job.

Accordingly, there has been a steady shift of formations closer to the front as a way of reducing mobilization time. The process is slow, because creating new permanent bases is not just expensive, in a crowded country like India land for new bases is not easily obtained. Equally, under Cold Start, there is to be no waiting for strike formations to concentrate at the front. The corps in place (now XV, XVI, IX, XI, X, and XII, from north to south) are to begin offensives at very short notice. The offensives will be conducted by eight armor battle groups, each of brigade size and heavily reinforced, each operating on a separate axis.

If the war is short, the battle groups will seize territory out to 30-km before shifting to the defensive. If the war continues, the three strike corps will enter play. Each of the three Pakistan-front plains commands - Western, South Western, and Southern - has an assigned strike corps. From north to south these are I, II, and XXI Corps.

The new posture requires considerably higher readiness, which is the reason for the increased tempo of exercises. I Strike and X Corps in South Western Command have finished an exercise, and now all of Western Command - II Strike, IX and XI Corps - is starting an exercise. It may be noted that by staging the exercise in May, at a time of maximum heat, the Indian Army is giving notice there is no more "fighting season". In the past this was the late fall/winter/spring. Now India is prepared to fight in the summer. The monsoon is still off limits because the torrential rains turn the ground to mush so that even tracked vehicles get into trouble.

Similarly, India is now prepared to go on the offensive in the mountains even in the dead of winter.

Pakistan, naturally, has not been sitting back passively. Despite its limited resources it has also stepped up its exercise tempo. Units from its I Strike plus X Corps and II Strike plus XXXI Corps have finished training at the ranges. A major exercise for IV Corps (Lahore) designed specifically to respond to a Cold Start grab is planned soon.
 
after every war pakistan came stronger u guys on forum chat and bla bla abt war u never saw any war =)) and by the way to all indians if ^pakistan is so small u guys fight with us 4 wars in 1948 , 65 , 71 , kargil every time ur army was bigger but pakistan army beat the **** out of ur army i remember a text of indian captn when he was trying to take a post in kargil he said his man were dyng like dog :D soo as i was saying then why indian was never able to take pakistan my dear ur polticns are just barking dogs cz they knew what pakistan army can do and what ur army cant doo

I donn know if u have ever engaged ur higher frontal lobe ganglia in anything, but it is visible to me that u have a serious learning difficulty. U cannot process facts given at hand.

Let me help you. The text was written by a captain conquering Tiger Hill. Pakistani militants had been in a well dug out position at elevation. Now FYI, a person at higher elevation is at geographical advantage than the person trying to approach him from the foot hills. And for not destroying your army ?? Well we do spare those who fall on there knees and beg (read 1971). But you could look towards ur naval arm for a quick taste of how it would be.
 
after every war pakistan came stronger u guys on forum chat and bla bla abt war u never saw any war =)) and by the way to all indians if ^pakistan is so small u guys fight with us 4 wars in 1948 , 65 , 71 , kargil every time ur army was bigger but pakistan army beat the **** out of ur army i remember a text of indian captn when he was trying to take a post in kargil he said his man were dyng like dog :D soo as i was saying then why indian was never able to take pakistan my dear ur polticns are just barking dogs cz they knew what pakistan army can do and what ur army cant doo

I really dont like to get into trolling but can you tell me how did a nation called bangladesh come into existence if your super strong 1 muslim=10 evil hindooos won all wars against india?

What was your strong Army and Air force doing on 2nd of May 2011?

How did Indian regulars managed to defeat the SSG in SIachen?and you still cry of making it a no war zone?

And regarding your comment on Pakistan came out strong in all wars...are you f00king crazy?Do you know the condition of your country?

Forget about Pakistan ki berri fauj and its din ileen sipahi...is your Economy strong enough to go on a long war with india?


I mean stop hallucinating guys..get back to reality.Pakistan used to be the agressor(in case you dont read your Pakistani books) always and wanted to capture Kashmir...now it is left to nothing..You guys cant even think of launching an offensive against India now..not even in your dreams...Kashmir mission is left to giving interviews and expressing sorrow on Television.

I am from the state of J&K and the mujahideens are getting their ***** kicked.Where in early 90s there used to be terrorist camps in kashmir..and now they are left to throwing a grenade in Lal Chiowk showing that they havent become extinct.


And yeah incase you are from the zaid hamid camp :lol: then i dont think there is any point debating...better for you to consider neutral sources to find the outcomes of war..and if you cant then kindly have a look at India's war trophies ie Bangladesh and Siachen..what do you guys have to show besides a few downed planes?
 
Do you know about the condition of your country?
The Arabs have a very old saying, that a camel looks at another and laughs about how funny is his back, because he cannot see his own, do you get it?
Apart from trolling and trying to boost your ego, I have never seen any valuable contribution on your side.
You put down Bangladesh, Pakistan, china, and anything concerning Islam everytime you open you mouth.
 
kṣamā;3135295 said:
I donn know if u have ever engaged ur higher frontal lobe ganglia in anything, but it is visible to me that u have a serious learning difficulty. U cannot process facts given at hand.

Let me help you. The text was written by a captain conquering Tiger Hill. Pakistani militants had been in a well dug out position at elevation. Now FYI, a person at higher elevation is at geographical advantage than the person trying to approach him from the foot hills. And for not destroying your army ?? Well we do spare those who fall on there knees and beg (read 1971). But you could look towards ur naval arm for a quick taste of how it would be.

I think you should be worried about the fate of your "big" navy with the induction of the J-16 stealth fighter.
 
Well,Firstly you are underestimating the strength of IA officers and you also mentioned the point that the lower cadre of the IA is not capable coz of literacy and other issue which is completely wrong.Nowadays the Army is taking great effort in making sure that every soldier that leaves the Army after serving his tenure has a graduation degree.This has already started among our SFs and soon if going to be implemented by the Infantry and other wings.I hope you know about the F-INSAS system where the lower cadres will be in charge and will be leading from the front and will have hi-tech technology in their hands...Hence the IA wants them to be capable enough to operate this system..The IA is undergoing great transformation.

Cold Start also means that the concept of holding corps and strike corps is no more valid.The thing is now without waiting for the Strike Corps the Holding corps are expected to launch attacks till the time the Strike Corps reach their positions and from then they can take on.This will save a lot of time.IA high command thinks time is very important here..It wants to achieve its objectives as soon as possible so that there is less time spent on negotiations in International forums.


Regarding the comment on your debate with a Indian who had more knowledge on cold start..I am really happy for you because what real cold start is..is known by IA officers only...Maybe the Pakistan Army would have a better chance now after knowing the secrets.

you can only field an Army of UAVs while we will have dedicated Satellites for the 3 services..and it was you who said the PA is well dug out.I am sorry being dug out wont mean a thing with the current technology...and the rest of your comments are based on twisting my reply to say PA doesnt have situational awareness which i never said.

I suggest you read a few articles to update yourselves on the transformation our forces are going through.

First satellite for armed forces to be ready in a month - Times Of India



CDS does not mean that the IA will end the the system of Corps operating in a theatre.It means that independent brigades will be used for a attacking while the there wil still be corps operating in conjuction with them.


The thing is in future with the F-INSAS,dedicated satellites,data links and orders for attack helis in hundreds the comment that we are very well dug out and there will be huge losses coz of it bye a person who thinks he knows it all is kinda funny...I would be even surprised if your PA Generals have an idea of cold start coz it is a constant evolving process which gets corrected by excercises conducted each year.Reading a few articles from 2005-6 and considering it a thorough study is a disrespect to a plan laid down in years after planning by the core of IA officers after experiences in past.

My answer to you : One EMP blow to India...and it is back to where it belongs !!!
Now Indian common soldiers mostly illiterate will have a graduate degree donated to them after retirement, to boost their egos, For what, they won't be serving anymore any ways. so how illiterate can you be, Every one knows that Indians Buy and sell Diplomas and degrees and commit fraud all over the place by lying in their CVs and paying to get positions in hightech companies, just to spy, so your organized crime is linked to your intelligence services, this came to be obvious to Specialised Police Units throughout North America at least.
 

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