Hypothetical Scenario - India vs Pak -China War (Conventional)

[shining eyes]

Its more like an Indian dream stuff where you have captured Pakistan fighting a 2 front war.

IAF vs PAF and PLAAF remember how PAF alone butchered you last time? Add PLAAF and your strike capability will be divided.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Which video game is this? All three of them have nuckular weapons in real life.

China and India both have a "No First Use" policy.

Also there is a significant disparity in the power of their arsenals, India's total nuclear arsenal is estimated at 1 megaton (total), mostly comprised of 20kt fission bombs. Whereas even one single Chinese thermonuclear warhead is 4 megatons. That's more explosive power in a single thermonuclear warhead than India's total arsenal.

Given all that it seems perfectly plausible to have a conventional conflict between China and India. Both sides will have a reason to reign in the use of nuclear weapons for as long as possible.

Pakistan on the other hand has a "First Use" policy, so if India invades them it can bet on some kind of nuclear response. Especially with the induction of "battlefield nukes" such as Nasr. And Pakistan is estimated to have a larger nuclear arsenal than India.

In a Two-Front War scenario (as the Indian Army often talks about), well things get even more complicated. If it is a coordinated attack with both China+Pakistan attacking India at the same time, that could be an existential threat, which could force India into a nuclear response. Even though China and Pakistan combined have a exponentially larger nuclear arsenal than India does, such an existential threat could push them into a "use it or lose it" mindset.

 

[PWFI]

Final Day of the war: Pakistanis eating more then 1Billions Tandoori.

 

[NKVD]

Its more like an Indian dream stuff where you have captured Pakistan fighting a 2 front war.

IAF vs PAF and PLAAF remember how PAF alone butchered you last time? Add PLAAF and your strike capability will be divided.

Plaaf will facing daily USAF patrols and JASDF fighters along with Taiwan and veitnam and Singapore

Most of PLAAF will be deployed toward this threat

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Plaaf will facing daily USAF patrols and JASDF fighters along with Taiwan and veitnam and Singapore

Most of PLAAF will be deployed toward this threat

LOL do you think Taiwan, Vietnam and Singapore are going to one day decide to invade China?

That's not even slightly realistic.

 

[Areesh]

It's a fair point. I just thought India has two active borders China and Pakistan and initially China can't bring its huge conventional forces into India because of terrain and with defender's advantage India will be able to confine China to N. East. While with Paksitan India would have 2 to 1 numerical superiority with similar quality of tech to say the least hence this gains though wildly optimistic can be possible. I have made no comments on whether India can hold on to these territories.

You don't think so and that's totally fair.

P.S. As i stated at the top of my post its not my analysis but I found it on Quora and thought i would test it out.

You had similar kind of numerical superiority back in 65 too. You only managed to get to Burki town in Lahore sector in 16 days war. You even post pictures of Burki town thinking it is lahore. LOL. In Sialkot again you only managed to get to Phillora. After Phillora your movement was stalled and you couldn't capture Sialkot till the end of war. Your plans of breaking Pakistan into two in Sindh backfired badly. In fact you even lost territory in that region. You cannot in any way send special forces in Baluchistan. It is not possible due to various reasons Even if you some how send them to Baluchistan, those poor guys would get encircled and would be slaughtered since they would be fighting far away from their territory with no where to run. Bomb and destroy KKH is not possible since PAF would response in the same by bombing all the highways and tunnels in IOK by using same tactics as IAF. Even it won't need to cross LOC for that. It can use standoff weapons for this purpose. You bomb Karachi, and we would bomb your ports in return. It would be all equal.

That's why this is not some carefully created war plan but just a dream of some moron fanboy.

 

[Spectre]

China and India both have a "No First Use" policy.

Also there is a significant disparity in the power of their arsenals, India's total nuclear arsenal is estimated at 1 megaton (total), mostly comprised of 20kt fission bombs. Whereas even one single Chinese thermonuclear warhead is 4 megatons. That's more explosive power in a single thermonuclear warhead than India's total arsenal.

Given all that it seems perfectly plausible to have a conventional conflict between China and India. Both sides will have a reason to reign in the use of nuclear weapons for as long as possible.

Pakistan on the other hand has a "First Use" policy, so if India invades them it can bet on some kind of nuclear response. Especially with the induction of "battlefield nukes" such as Nasr. And Pakistan is estimated to have a larger nuclear arsenal than India.

In a Two-Front War scenario (as the Indian Army often talks about), well things get even more complicated. If it is a coordinated attack with both China+Pakistan attacking India at the same time, that could be an existential threat, which could force India into a nuclear response. Even though China and Pakistan combined have a exponentially larger nuclear arsenal than India does, such an existential threat could push them into a "use it or lose it" mindset.

The whole scenario is based on India being an non aggressor. If India attacks first then i agree its game over for India.

Given India is a defending nation, Conventional might of China and Pakistan combined should make Pakistan confident enough not to use nukes because of it would result in retaliatory strike by India.

P.S. This whole thing is simulation so no use going into China will never attack India and so on as its not real

 

[NKVD]

China and India both have a "No First Use" policy.

Also there is a significant disparity in the power of their arsenals, India's total nuclear arsenal is estimated at 1 megaton (total), mostly comprised of 20kt fission bombs. Whereas even one single Chinese thermonuclear warhead is 4 megatons. That's more explosive power in a single thermonuclear warhead than India's total arsenal.

Given all that it seems perfectly plausible to have a conventional conflict between China and India. Both sides will have a reason to reign in the use of nuclear weapons for as long as possible.

Pakistan on the other hand has a "First Use" policy, so if India invades them it can bet on some kind of nuclear response. Especially with the induction of "battlefield nukes" such as Nasr. And Pakistan is estimated to have a larger nuclear arsenal than India.

In a Two-Front War scenario (as the Indian Army often talks about), well things get even more complicated. If it is a coordinated attack with both China+Pakistan attacking India at the same time, that could be an existential threat, which could force India into a nuclear response. Even though China and Pakistan combined have a exponentially larger nuclear arsenal than India does, such an existential threat could push them into a "use it or lose it" mindset.

India RV Mk5 & 6 has yield of 200KT and more

You should have do research more in this regard

India to got Thermonuclear weapon's and tested it in 1998

 

[shining eyes]

IAF will still be outnumbered and divided. If China is to be the aggressor do you think they will start a war with most of their resources countering other threats and make it a picnic for you to capture Pakistan?

Already said, Kids story stuff!

 

[Spectre]

You had similar kind of numerical superiority back in 65 too. You only managed to get to Burki town in Lahore sector in 16 days war. You even post pictures of Burki town thinking it is lahore. LOL. In Sialkot again you only managed to get to Phelora. After phelora your movement was stalled and you couldn't capture Sialkot till the end of war. Your plans of breaking Pakistan into two in Sindh backfired badly. In fact you even lost territory in that region. You cannot in any way send special forces in Baluchistan. It is not possible due to various reasons Even if you some how send them to Baluchistan, those poor guys would get encircled and would be slaughtered since they would be fighting far away from their territory with no where to run. Bomb and destroy KKH is not possible since PAF would response in the same by bombing all the highways and tunnels in IOK by using same tactics as IAF. Even it won't need to cross LOC for that. It can use standoff weapons for this purpose. You bomb Karachi, and we would bomb your ports in return. It would be all equal.

That's why this is not some carefully created war plan but just a dream of some moron fanboy.

Thanks. Really appreciate your response. now if only this could have been your first reply.

 

[NKVD]

IAF will still be outnumbered and divided. If China is to be the aggressor do you think they will start a war with most of their resources countering other threats and make it a picnic for you to capture Pakistan?

Already said, Kids story stuff!

Plaaf is mostly will be divided to safeguard it's East coast and SCS from regular USAF and JASDF forces Taiwan to will strengthen it's muscle most of ASEAN countries will ready to make profit in any misadventures of Chinese.

Chinese have more enemies then friends it is tapped by enemies from all side's and due to its communist expansionist nature it is threat for all ASEAN countries

 

[Spectre]

India RV Mk5 & 6 has yield of 200KT and more

You should have do research more in this regard

India to got Thermonuclear weapon's and tested it in 1998

This point is irrelevant as in case of nuclear war there China and Pakistan can certainly destroy 90% of India with balance rendered inhabitable. This would be a global catastrophe

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India to got Thermonuclear weapon's and tested it in 1998

It is well known that India's thermonuclear test failed.

The readings from the explosion indicated that it fizzled, no where close to the explosive power of a successful thermonuclear test.

 

[coffee_cup]

India fighting war on two fronts, here is the realistic scenario:

Day 1:China pounds Indian weapon factories and supply lines, India starts moving her forces towards the border to China
Day 2: Pakistan starts pounding from the North-West, Khalistan declares independence
Day 3: Maoists speed up their attacks on civil security appratus, India in chaos
Day 4: Dalits riot against Brahamins, civil war breaks out
Day 5: Indian forces still moving towards border with China but due to very bad infrastructure already thouasand+ soldiers have lost there lives due to accidents etc, whereas Chinese are already 300KM into India
Day 6: India sends her jets for bombardment on Pakistan, 50 from 100 crash, 40 are shot down by Pakistan air defence
Day 7: Muslims and Christians start rioting against hardcore hindus, civil war spread even more
Day 8: Army from Kashmir is sent to save Mumbai and Delhi to save India's powerhouses, Kahsmir is freed
Day 9: The Naxals have taken very large parts of India and civil war has spread in the 25 states already, India calls for help from the world powers, who refuse saying India herself is to be blamed for initiating this war due to her support for ross-border terrorism
Day 10: China has cut India into half and IOK Kashmir has declared to join Pakistan
Day 11: India is back to year 1800 economically and now 20-25 small states have appeared on the world map, India accepts defeat and signs the peace treaty. India, which had taken her name from British India, no more exists

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[Spectre]

It is well known that India's thermonuclear test failed.

The readings from the explosion indicated that it fizzled, no where close to the explosive power of a successful thermonuclear test.

India may or may not have thermonuclear weapons but the truth is no sane country can risk a nuclear war. Specially not China as it is a leading global power and hence would have a lot to loose.

This is why this discussion is about conventional war as such wars can take place as both India and China have no first use policy.

India fighting war on two fronts, here is the realistic scenario:

Day 1:China pounds Indian weapon factories and supply lines, India starts moving her forces towards the border to China
Day 2: Pakistan starts pounding from the North-West, Khalistan declares independence
Day 3: Maoists speed up their attacks on civil security appratus, India in chaos
Day 4: Dalits riot against Brahamins, civil war breaks out
Day 5: Indian forces still moving towards border with China but due to very bad infrastructure already thouasand+ soldiers have lost there lives due to accidents etc, whereas Chinese are already 300KM into India
Day 6: India sends her jets for bombardment on Pakistan, 50 from 100 crash, 40 are shot down by Pakistan air defence
Day 7: Muslims and Christians start rioting against hardcore hindus, civil war spread even more
Day 8: Army from Kashmir is sent to save Mumbai and Delhi to save India's powerhouses, Kahsmir is freed
Day 9: The Naxals have taken very large parts of India and civil war has spread in the 25 states already, India calls for help from the world powers, who refuse saying India herself is to be blamed for initiating this war due to her support for ross-border terrorism
Day 10: China has cut India into half and IOK Kashmir has declared to join Pakistan
Day 11: India is back to year 1800 economically and now 20-25 small states have appeared on the world map, India accepts defeat and signs the peace treaty. India, which had taken her name from British India, no more exists

...

Sir you over estimate the power of insurgent movements in India