Hyderabad Deccan's Nizam's contribution to Pakistan

[Leader]

That was not the stolen stuff that was donated by millions of people.

oowwww....it was stolen stuff for sure, but not snatched stuff !!

 

[Areesh]

Stolen or donated or whatever. We Pakistani Hyderabadis are proud of what our ancestors did for the creation of Pakistan.

Thank you Nizam and all the Nawab's of Hyderabad for whatever you did for the creation of Pakistan.

 

[T-Faz]

^^^While Junagharh and Hyderabad did not share boundary with Pakistan, Jammu Kashmir did with India, hence making the accession valid.

This is as per the June plan agreed to by all parties to the partition.

Yes that is understood but according to the agreement that was reached between the two parties, a plebiscite should have been administered.

Don't forget other places like Gurdaspur, Murshidabad etc where they raised the flags of Pakistan but late found that they were not to be a part of Pakistan.

These places shared border with Pakistan.

The Bhutto clan is related to guy right ?

Yes, he is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's father.

Incidentally Zulfi himself disapproved of the partition and flew out to Bombay where he didn't receive much and he moved to Pakistan.

 

[toxic_pus]

August 18, The Nawab of Mohammad Mahabat Khanji III, ruler of the Princely state of Junagadh, a former British Protectorate since 1807 and the other small states of Bantva, Manavadar and Sardargadh, were also former British Protectorates since 1818 of the Kathiawar Peninsula despite an overall Hindu majority of the population all acceded to the Dominion of Pakistan, this was influenced by Shah Nawaz Bhutto the Dewan of the state. In response the Dominion of India claimed that the accession was invalid, since the states were surrounded by India and demanded a Plebiscite on the future of Junagadh and Manavadar (princely state). Pakistan agreed, on condition that votes also be held in Hyderabad State and Kashmir and Jammu; India rejected this proposal and also refused to allow the Government of Pakistan any role in administering a plebiscite. The dispute was the first serious crisis in Indo-Pakistani relations.

Incorrect. Pakistan never proposed, neither did Jinnah accept, a plebiscite in Kashmir, Junagadh and Hyderabad, when it was offered by Mountbatten on 1st Nov, 1947.

 

[toxic_pus]

Yes that is understood but according to the agreement that was reached between the two parties, a plebiscite should have been administered.

If Jinnah had any intention to honour pre-partition agreement between ML and Congress then he wouldn't have accepted Junagadh's accession. Later on he had justified his action, by dismissing such agreement between two political parties as non-binding on sovereign States.

Don't forget other places like Gurdaspur, Murshidabad etc where they raised the flags of Pakistan but late found that they were not to be a part of Pakistan.

Those were not Princely States (so far as I can recall).

 

[T-Faz]

If Jinnah had any intention to honour pre-partition agreement between ML and Congress then he wouldn't have accepted Junagadh's accession. Later on he had justified his action, by dismissing such agreement between two political parties as non-binding on sovereign States.

Jinnah was expecting a much bigger Pakistan as was indicated to him, instead he got a "moth-eaten Pakistan".

Hence the original agreement was non-binding.

Those were not Princely States (so far as I can recall).

One of them was, I could be wrong though. However the people there had expected to be a part of Pakistan according to the original agreement but it didn't happen.

 

[toxic_pus]

During this period, the new state of Pakistan had tremendous financial problems as India had not released Pakistan's share to it in hopes that Pakistan would collapse economically.

India had held on to the funds because Jinnah had ridiculously demanded half of all the funds plus a compensation for the mills that Pakistan would be loosing out due to the partition.

Obviously India held back.

 

[toxic_pus]

Jinnah was expecting a much bigger Pakistan as was indicated to him, instead he got a "moth-eaten Pakistan".

Hence the original agreement was non-binding.

That is a ridiculous justification. But as always, it works both ways. India is then justified for doing what you accuse India of.

One of them was, I could be wrong though. However the people there had expected to be a part of Pakistan according to the original agreement but it didn't happen.

Which people? How do you even know they were expecting to be part of Pakistan? Or am I missing something?

 

[Subramanian]

The Nizam of Hyderabad remained a staunch supporter of Pakistan. Upon the creation of Pakistan on August 14, 1947, the Nizam was isolated since the State of Hyderabad was surrounded by the newly independent Republic of India. Under these conditions, the Nizam could not declare accession to Pakistan out of fear that India would invade the State of Hyderabad which it did a year later.

During this period, the new state of Pakistan had tremendous financial problems as India had not released Pakistan's share to it in hopes that Pakistan would collapse economically.

Recalling the incidents of that period, Mr. Farooq Ahmed Khan, Retired Deputy Inspector General of Police recalls some of the most important incidents of this episode stating:

"Not many people know that at the time when Pakistan came into existence in 1947; and before the fall of Hyderabad, due to unprovoked Indian military aggression in 1948. The Government of Pakistan had to start a new country from scratch. And India had purposely not given the share, which Pakistan was supposed to get under the “Partition Agreement”; because in the beginning Pakistan did not even have the money to pay the salaries of the Government officers and employees. Although the morale of the people was high, and the people were ready to make sacrifices for the new country, which they had aspired for, and had now finally become a reality. At that critical period, it was Hyderabad State, which came forward to help Pakistan, and rescue the country from bankruptcy or collapse.

"For this purpose, a novel scheme was implemented. An adventurous British commercial pilot was contacted and engaged in his private capacity to secretly fly loads of gold from Hyderabad to Pakistan, eluding the Indian planes, which could have stopped the flight or shut down the plane.

"This rescue project for Pakistan was the idea of Qasim Rizvi, the leader, who was then in power in Hyderabad. Nizam had also given his consent for this noble action, undertaken at great risk.

"Fortunately this scheme worked, which helped to keep going the newly formed Pakistan. Needless to say, that this invaluable and timely help from Hyderabad to Pakistan, at such a critical juncture, cannot be forgotten."[1]

The most famous case still pending in the UK in this regard relates to the 1,007,940 pounds sterling that the Nizam had transferred through the National Westminster Bank in 1948 favouring the Pakistan High Commissioner in London Mr. H.I. Rahimtoola. This money is now worth over 30 million pounds sterlin. The Govt of India laid claim to the money against the claim of the Govt of Pakistan. The case is still sub judice.

Oh,what a great honour!Stealing public money and transferring it to othe rpeople.The Nizam is truly a great man.Dont have words to describe him.

 

[Bhairava]

During this period, the new state of Pakistan had tremendous financial problems as India had not released Pakistan's share to it in hopes that Pakistan would collapse economically.

The funds were released to Pakistan after an extremely foolish hunger strike by Gandhiji - one of his many idiotic moves

OTOH Pakistan still owes India 300 crore Rs in pre-partition debts. Link

 

[ashdoc]

The funds were released to Pakistan after an extremely foolish hunger strike by Gandhiji.

He was killed by nathuram godse for that perfidy .

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The Nizam of Hyderabad remained a staunch supporter of Pakistan. Upon the creation of Pakistan on August 14, 1947, the Nizam was isolated since the State of Hyderabad was surrounded by the newly independent Republic of India. Under these conditions, the Nizam could not declare accession to Pakistan out of fear that India would invade the State of Hyderabad which it did a year later.

During this period, the new state of Pakistan had tremendous financial problems as India had not released Pakistan's share to it in hopes that Pakistan would collapse economically.

Recalling the incidents of that period, Mr. Farooq Ahmed Khan, Retired Deputy Inspector General of Police recalls some of the most important incidents of this episode stating:

"Not many people know that at the time when Pakistan came into existence in 1947; and before the fall of Hyderabad, due to unprovoked Indian military aggression in 1948. The Government of Pakistan had to start a new country from scratch. And India had purposely not given the share, which Pakistan was supposed to get under the “Partition Agreement”; because in the beginning Pakistan did not even have the money to pay the salaries of the Government officers and employees. Although the morale of the people was high, and the people were ready to make sacrifices for the new country, which they had aspired for, and had now finally become a reality. At that critical period, it was Hyderabad State, which came forward to help Pakistan, and rescue the country from bankruptcy or collapse.

"For this purpose, a novel scheme was implemented. An adventurous British commercial pilot was contacted and engaged in his private capacity to secretly fly loads of gold from Hyderabad to Pakistan, eluding the Indian planes, which could have stopped the flight or shut down the plane.

"This rescue project for Pakistan was the idea of Qasim Rizvi, the leader, who was then in power in Hyderabad. Nizam had also given his consent for this noble action, undertaken at great risk.

"Fortunately this scheme worked, which helped to keep going the newly formed Pakistan. Needless to say, that this invaluable and timely help from Hyderabad to Pakistan, at such a critical juncture, cannot be forgotten."[1]

The most famous case still pending in the UK in this regard relates to the 1,007,940 pounds sterling that the Nizam had transferred through the National Westminster Bank in 1948 favouring the Pakistan High Commissioner in London Mr. H.I. Rahimtoola. This money is now worth over 30 million pounds sterlin. The Govt of India laid claim to the money against the claim of the Govt of Pakistan. The case is still sub judice.

All that stuff is chicken feed. The real "malaai" is in the vaults of the RBI in Bombay; the Nizam's collection of family jewelry and the State reserves of bullion. Among the jewellery is the 'Jacob Diamond'. I have seen that collection. Most of the Diamonds, Emeralds and Sapphires are as big as large river pebbles and quite a few nearly as big as UBGL grenades!

 

[Bratva]

Oh,what a great honour!Stealing public money and transferring it to othe rpeople.The Nizam is truly a great man.Dont have words to describe him.

Your Proof That He stole that money from Public? Accusations without proof eh?

 

[T-Faz]

That is a ridiculous justification. But as always, it works both ways. India is then justified for doing what you accuse India of.

Its ridiculous and it also works both ways.

What is India justified for?

Which people? How do you even know they were expecting to be part of Pakistan? Or am I missing something?

The ones who raised the flags of Pakistan on their local buildings, they were expecting it as they had supported it and Pakistan was supposed to have those particular areas.

 

[SQ8]

Wonder for all his misdemeanors pointed out by some Indian members.. this man and his family were able to maintain peace in a state where the majority (92%) were non-Muslims... and of the remaining 8% of which compromised the poor, the weak , women and children.. only a few were able to keep complete control without any major revolt or uprising.

apparently even Gandhiji tried to stir up people in Hyderabad.. for three months. and returned with nothing.
Makes you wonder if the Nizam was as "bad" as you folks seems to want to show him to be.