Hun Sen praise China and blames USA

[Aepsilons]

Everyone knows USA is going down, and you lick white man asx like nobody.

It wont be centuries to play catch up as what you believe. China just need to revalue Yuan and next morning China GDP will be much higher, although it takes time to catch on per capita basis.

But in the world, the strongest countries depends on aggregate GDP.

The West still control the world monetary machines, they are the centers of global intellectual development and produce the finest academic institutions and research stations, however. The best and brightest of India, China, Japan, South Korea, Russia ---- flood the 'West'. Remember that.

The West is the master of global manipulation, and with that --- exudes inherent strengths , tacit and direct. I shan't try to feign ignorance here or timidity here, but the West is not some kind of Siamese cat that will purr against an incoming threat. It will crush opponents , tho with grace.

Do not underestimate the collective power and ruthlessness of the 'West'.

 

[Rechoice]

Khmer Rouge once was Vietnam good friends. Pol pot was brought up by Vietnam regime during the Vietnam war.

Vietnamese communist movement, has created Indo-China Communist Party (ICP) in 1930 from communists in Vietnam, Cambodia and in Laos. in 1951, when the party (ICP) was divided into separate Cambodian, Laos and Vietnamese communist parties. In Cambodia the KPRP was actively supported by the Vietnamese party during its initial phase of existence. Due to the reliance on Vietnamese support in the joint struggle against French colonial rule,

Cambodia has won on civil war against Lon Nol regime with help of Vietnam. But the Pol Pot, the new figure of KPRP has changed his policy with backing from Peking PRC China. After Vietnam war, Pol Pot is puppet of China.

Pol Pot and Deng Xiaoping in Peking.

 

[Viet]

Its only time till he is sacked. He will be replaced by a pro-vietnam leader..

hun sen and his party control the country and army. they balance the relationship between VN and CN. the real danger for VN comes if khmer nationalist and VN hater Sam Rainsy and his pro-China faction violently seize the power.

In other words you have to deal with 5th columns.

more or less yes. as Asean acts on consensus, China needs only one vote, be Cambodia or other weak member, to sabotage any unwanted agenda.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Two Chinese companies have reached a deal to build a 400-km (250-mile) rail line, a steel plant and a sea port in Cambodia worth a combined $11.2 billion in what would be by far the impoverished country's biggest-ever investments.

Chinese firm plans $11 bln rail, port, steel projects in Cambodia| Reuters

 

[Aepsilons]

Or he may be out by next election and USA guy got his jobs. Who knows?

Well we have to understand the geopolitik of the region and also apply his role in context to Cambodia's strategic importance. And that is : a regional pawn. Cambodia is a tiny shrimp between two great whales: Thailand (Siam) and Vietnam. Always has this been the geostrategic reality for almost a millenia now. Cambodia's feigning friendship with China is strategic posturation by the Cambodians as to try to balance the regional equation wherein it is involved -- its a security nature to try to balance the Vietnamese threat, which is very much true for Cambodia since Cambodia's 15 million can be easily subsumed by Vietnam (98 million and growing). In fact, Vietnam's population is more than Thailand + Laos + Cambodia. So let that be contextual framework in intra-regional comparitive analysis.

In the end we know that the master of Cambodian internal affairs for the past 50 years has been Vietnam. She has deposed the Khmer Rouge and mobilized 200,000 soldiers of the VPA to finish that mandate, consequetively fighting a northern skirmish with the Chinese in the 1979 Sino-Vietnam War. China's mandate in that war was to try to lift Vietnam's occupation of CPC-alligned Khmer Rouge, but that resulted in utter strategic and tactical failure because:

1. Vietnam's paramilitary forces effectively bled the PLA and caused over 35,000 PLA casualties, resulted in PLA retreat less than 6 months into the campaign without realizing their strategic goals of forcing the VPA out of Cambodia.
   
2. Cambodia was under Vietnamese control from 1978 till 1991. Even now, Vietnam still has massive security investment in Vietnam and the VPA maintains 15 divisions near the border with Cambodia. In case of any hostility, say Cambodia breaks into civil unrest, rest assured Vietnam will send in that 150,000 force into Cambodia to quell rebellion and restore civil law and order.

China , in essence, can only provide monetary and moral support. But real military support? No. Vietnam has been the master of Southeast Asian mainland affairs for the past 50 years. Even Thailand will not dare engage the Viets.

 

[Viet]

He appears to be more acceptable to USA.

I don´t think so. ever thought, what would he do if he seizes the power?

 

[Aepsilons]

Two Chinese companies have reached a deal to build a 400-km (250-mile) rail line, a steel plant and a sea port in Cambodia worth a combined $11.2 billion in what would be by far the impoverished country's biggest-ever investments.

Chinese firm plans $11 bln rail, port, steel projects in Cambodia| Reuters

Economic activity is not consigned to strategic reality in context to political and security mandates, tho. I think we have to understand this security paradigm in regards to IndoChina. This is also very much true.

 

[kankan326]

Vietnamese communist movement, has created Indo-China Communist Party (ICP) in 1930 from communists in Vietnam, Cambodia and in Laos. in 1951, when the party (ICP) was divided into separate Cambodian, Laos and Vietnamese communist parties. In Cambodia the KPRP was actively supported by the Vietnamese party during its initial phase of existence. Due to the reliance on Vietnamese support in the joint struggle against French colonial rule,

Cambodia has won on civil war against Lon Nol regime with help of Vietnam. But the Pol Pot, the new figure of KPRP has changed his policy with backing from Peking PRC China. After Vietnam war, Pol Pot is puppet of China.

Pol Pot and Deng Xiaoping in Peking.

China and USA had to support Pol Pot. Because Vietnam was aggressive and had ambition to annex whole Indo-China region back then. Pol Pot was too mad to fear anything. He was the only guy in Cambodia who had the guts to challenge Vietnam. For the same reason, US also supported Bin Laden in Afghanistan to resist Soviet Union's invasion.

 

[CHN Bamboo]

Pls don't make propaganda here.

This is true China.

Well,I posted the pics that I took by myself,instead of searching desperately for pics.
I hope u see the pics I posted before were taken by Vietnamese in ur capital city.
And plz tell me where and when the pics were taken,although I still thought they were better than that viets posted(she posted a lot of pics,of course they were updated pics)

 

[Viet]

Two Chinese companies have reached a deal to build a 400-km (250-mile) rail line, a steel plant and a sea port in Cambodia worth a combined $11.2 billion in what would be by far the impoverished country's biggest-ever investments.

Chinese firm plans $11 bln rail, port, steel projects in Cambodia| Reuters

well, nobody can´t beat the chinese because you have a deep pocket. but the cambodians are also happy with $3.2 billion investment from VN.

http://vietnamnews.vn/economy/276481/vn-a-top-investor-in-cambodia.html

 

[Aepsilons]

China and USA had to support Pol Pot. Because Vietnam was aggressive and had ambition to annex whole Indo-China region back then. Pol Pot was too mad to fear anything. He was the only guy in Cambodia who had the guts to challenge Vietnam. For the same reason, US also supported Bin Laden in Afghanistan to resist Soviet Union's invasion.

No. My friend you are not schooled in socialist theory basic 101. Pol Pot was very much influenced by Maoist ideology and was preferential to it in fact he tried to re-enact Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution in Cambodia, and that resulted in Cambodia's Great Devastation: 2 million Khmers were systematically killed in their killing fields (genocide of 1/4th of their population; they lost all their skilled, educated artisans: doctors, engineers, scientists, teachers et al). In other words the intelligentsia of that country were liquidated. Only the unedcuated were left alive. Hence Cambodias "Lost 2 generations".

The only time a country outside of China Mainland tried to re-do 'CPC' style social class revolution was in Cambodia. And that resulted in genocide. A contextual framework for us to consider.

 

[kankan326]

No. My friend you are not schooled in socialist theory basic 101. Pol Pot was very much influenced by Maoist ideology and was preferential to it in fact he tried to re-enact Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution in Cambodia, and that resulted in Cambodia's Great Devastation: 2 million Khmers were systematically killed in their killing fields (genocide of 1/4th of their population; they lost all their skilled, educated artisans: doctors, engineers, scientists, teachers et al). In other words the intelligentsia of that country were liquidated. Only the unedcuated were left alive. Hence Cambodias "Lost 2 generations".

If Pol Pot was supported by pure ideology reason, why US also supported him?

 

[Rechoice]

China and USA had to support Pol Pot. Because Vietnam was aggressive and had ambition to annex whole Indo-China region back then. Pol Pot was too mad to fear anything. He was the only guy in Cambodia who had the guts to challenge Vietnam. For the same reason, US also supported Bin Laden in Afghanistan to resist Soviet Union's invasion.

USA did nothing concretly to support Khmer Rouge after Vietnam war, only China did with weapon and military advisers. in fact, in cold war China is trapped by US when China PRC thought that US will let China to be boss of region.

Talking about Indo-China ambitous of Vietnam is cheap propaganda of PRC.

 

[Aepsilons]

If Pol Pot was supported by pure ideology reason, why US also supported him?

The United States, at the early stage , of course had false and improper data regarding the mandate of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge Revolutionaries. In fact the main reason why the United States supported KR forces was because they were enemies of the VPA, which at the time was also an enemy of the United States Armed Forces. It was akin to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Both the United States and China had interest in resisting Vietnam at the time because Vietnam was sanctioned by the USSR (then the strategic enemy of both the US and China; remember the United States was engaged in a global cold war dictum with the Soviets, the Chinese, too, were at odds with the Kremlin since the Sino Soviet Split of the 1960s).

You have to analyze these variables, friend. Variables play a role into the analysis of any geostrategic, gepolitik equation.

 

[Viet]

Well we have to understand the geopolitik of the region and also apply his role in context to Cambodia's strategic importance. And that is : a regional pawn. Cambodia is a tiny shrimp between two great whales: Thailand (Siam) and Vietnam. Always has this been the geostrategic reality for almost a millenia now. Cambodia's feigning friendship with China is strategic posturation by the Cambodians as to try to balance the regional equation wherein it is involved -- its a security nature to try to balance the Vietnamese threat, which is very much true for Cambodia since Cambodia's 15 million can be easily subsumed by Vietnam (98 million and growing). In fact, Vietnam's population is more than Thailand + Laos + Cambodia. So let that be contextual framework in intra-regional comparitive analysis.

In the end we know that the master of Cambodian internal affairs for the past 50 years has been Vietnam. She has deposed the Khmer Rouge and mobilized 200,000 soldiers of the VPA to finish that mandate, consequetively fighting a northern skirmish with the Chinese in the 1979 Sino-Vietnam War. China's mandate in that war was to try to lift Vietnam's occupation of CPC-alligned Khmer Rouge, but that resulted in utter strategic and tactical failure because:

1. Vietnam's paramilitary forces effectively bled the PLA and caused over 35,000 PLA casualties, resulted in PLA retreat less than 6 months into the campaign without realizing their strategic goals of forcing the VPA out of Cambodia.
   
2. Cambodia was under Vietnamese control from 1978 till 1991. Even now, Vietnam still has massive security investment in Vietnam and the VPA maintains 15 divisions near the border with Cambodia. In case of any hostility, say Cambodia breaks into civil unrest, rest assured Vietnam will send in that 150,000 force into Cambodia to quell rebellion and restore civil law and order.

China , in essence, can only provide monetary and moral support. But real military support? No. Vietnam has been the master of Southeast Asian mainland affairs for the past 50 years. Even Thailand will not dare engage the Viets.

well said. plus, with the Khmer Kingdom becoming weaker and weaker, Cambodia is unable to stop both Vietnam and Thailand as the duo sought hegemony on indochinese mainland. it is understandable the khmer seek help from China. cambodia and laos were in danger being slowing swallowed by Vietnam and Thailand. with VN having the upper hand. because we have a more capable army.