Human error led to 45% of IAF air crashes

[Indus Falcon]

i heard that Indian pilots are better then US pilots...

i found this ....

IAF is PAF's best ally!

 

[Indus Falcon]

In that order or are you just listing their trainers ? Why is there 3 subsonic jet trainers and no supersonic ones ?

What is used for basic and advanced training out of those 4 ? I am guessing the Hawk is the advanced trainer ?

In that very particular order 1 to 5

Supersonic / Advanced Jet Trainer = Hawk

 

[Jigs]

In that very particular order 1 to 5

Supersonic / Advanced Jet Trainer = Hawk

Hawk can go supersonic for a few seconds in dives but not leveled flight. Not that a supersonic trainer is required or anything. It doesn't look like the lack of trainers are the cause. However if it is in that order you still didn't answer my question of why 2 subsonic jets ?

 

[Indus Falcon]

Hawk can go supersonic for a few seconds in dives but not leveled flight. Not that a supersonic trainer is required or anything. It doesn't look like the lack of trainers are the cause. However if it is in that order you still didn't answer my question of why 2 subsonic jets ?

Which ones are you referring to?

 

[Jigs]

Which ones are you referring to?

Kiran and Sitara are they used in conjunction with each other or transition (if so what is the gain) or is one phasing out the other ?

I would think HPT-32>Sitara>Hawk>respective aircraft would be the most logical route India would use.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Kiran and Sitara are they used in conjunction with each other or transition (if so what is the gain) or is one phasing out the other ?

They are used in conjunction, prior to the Hawk, the Sitara was the transition aircraft. Now it's the Hawk.

As to the Hawk going supersonic, IT can only do so in dives, Right? SO how many times do you think a trainer would be diving?
It going supersonic on a training sortie would be very very rare.

 

[Jigs]

They are used in conjunction, prior to the Hawk, the Sitara was the transition aircraft. Now it's the Hawk.

As to the Hawk going supersonic, IT can only do so in dives, Right? SO how many times do you think a trainer would be diving?
It going supersonic on a training sortie would be very very rare.

Like i said it isn't a requirement per say but it would be good if pilots experienced their first sustained supersonic speeds in trainer aircraft rather then a operational fighter jet. Doesn't seem like the trainers are the cause of these high crash rates though.

 

[Indus Falcon]

I would think HPT-32>Sitara>Hawk>respective aircraft would be the most logical route India would use.

RIGHT!! Kiran will eventually be replaced by Sitara, and is currently under development, and hopefully shouldn't take decades like the LCA.

The Order you mentioned is hopefully how it should be in the future.

Right now it's HPT-32 > Kiran > Hawk

 

[Ganga]

The bigger question is why do only select group of jets crash in the IAF.Mirages ,jaguars ,Sukhois ,Mig-29s hardly crash.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Like i said it isn't a requirement per say but it would be good if pilots experienced their first sustained supersonic speeds in trainer aircraft rather then a operational fighter jet. Doesn't seem like the trainers are the cause of these high crash rates though.

India demands $10 million from British military firm
Published: Wednesday, Feb 10, 2010, 0:15 IST
By Josy Joseph | Place: New Delhi


India is asking British military firm BAE Systems to pay millions of dollars for the troubles it faced in assembling jet trainers bought from the firm.

In its demand for compensation, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) cites the difficulties faced in assembling the Hawk advanced jet trainers (AJT) which were bought for the Indian Air Force (IAF). Under the original contract of 2004, 42 of these single-engine aircraft were to be assembled by HAL and 24 to be delivered directly by BAE.

Several tools and equipment supplied by the British military firm had to be “reworked”, said a HAL source. “We faced plenty of problems with the entire programme” that delayed the assembling of the aircraft, the source added. The defence PSU had to “re-tool and re-design” many of the equipment supplied by BAE and there were issues with spare parts too which created trouble for HAL.

Because of the “unwanted trouble” that was “not mandated by contractual conditions”, the organisation has now asked BAE to pay it around $10.5 million, a sources said. Negotiations are under way between the supplier’s representatives and HAL officials in Bangalore, the source said.

It is unusual for such a compensation to be sought by an Indian firm in a military contract. The contract with BAE took shape after two decades of negotiations. In a strong signal of its unhappiness with the firm, the IAF had last year issued a fresh tender for another global competition to buy a new batch of 57 advanced jet trainers. Originally, these were also to be bought from BAE.