Hukou must be reformed or removed

[ILC]

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China population: concerns grow as number of registered births in 2020 plummet

China saw 10.035 million new registered births last year, according to the Ministry of Public Security, down from 11.79 million births in 2019 The new figure does not include the entire population, with total data expected to be released in April by the National Bureau of Statistics The...

defence.pk

I realized that the Chinese hukou system must be reformed or removed to support births and to make equal treatment for all Chinese nationals.

1. Reforms
- The same hukou for everyone in China, no matter where you're from you will get the same hukou and benefits linked to it (free school, etc.) if you want, you can go and work in Shanghai or a small city in Guizhou.
2. Removing Hukou
- just remove it.

I've come across at this forum that many Chinese people are laughing rightfully at endians that they have still in the place caste system, but somehow they don't talk about the Chinese caste system which is Hukou.

It cannot be that Chinese workers have to leave their children in the villages because they do not have the right to study in Shenzhen or Guangzhou. This is just one of the many injustices of this system. The richest big cities rip of Chinese migrant workers, while don't give the same benefits like to people holding Hukou of these cities. This entitlement of Hukou holders of the richest cities must end.

 

[Feng Leng]

Hukou is the reason why China doesn't have sprawling slums like India and other developing countries. Poor people can't just keep moving to the big cities. They have to leave their children behind at home. More geographically balanced development will eventually resolve any issues.

 

[Song Hong]

China can already do without Hukou. The property price is preventing peasants from flooding Beijing Shanghai CBD.

 

[AViet]

Considering this thread

China population: concerns grow as number of registered births in 2020 plummet

China saw 10.035 million new registered births last year, according to the Ministry of Public Security, down from 11.79 million births in 2019 The new figure does not include the entire population, with total data expected to be released in April by the National Bureau of Statistics The...

defence.pk

I realized that the Chinese hukou system must be reformed or removed to support births and to make equal treatment for all Chinese nationals.

1. Reforms
- The same hukou for everyone in China, no matter where you're from you will get the same hukou and benefits linked to it (free school, etc.) if you want, you can go and work in Shanghai or a small city in Guizhou.
2. Removing Hukou
- just remove it.

I've come across at this forum that many Chinese people are laughing rightfully at endians that they have still in the place caste system, but somehow they don't talk about the Chinese caste system which is Hukou.

It cannot be that Chinese workers have to leave their children in the villages because they do not have the right to study in Shenzhen or Guangzhou. This is just one of the many injustices of this system. The richest big cities rip of Chinese migrant workers, while don't give the same benefits like to people holding Hukou of these cities. This entitlement of Hukou holders of the richest cities must end.

Hukou system is still existing in Vietnam (we call it "Ho khau", same meaning).

The system is misunderstood by the West, or it was distorted by Western media. It is totally not correct that children do not have the right to study in city, if their hukou are still in their hometowns.

My family hukou is in Hanoi, but my family can move to Ho Chi Minh city to live there. My children can go to schools in Ho Chi Minh city without the need to move my hukou to Ho Chi Minh. However, I will need to register with local authority that I will live permanently in Ho Chi Minh city for my children schooling. Nowadays, this register is generally more important than hukou and can replace hukou in most cases.

There are still some restrictions, but not so serious. For example, if my hukou is in District A, but I want my children to study in District B (both in Hanoi) for better school (of course, state school. Private schools generally do not require hukou), then unless my children are exceptionally good at some majors, or I have some "quan he" (connection, or "quanxi" in Chinese) with those school teachers, it would be rather difficult.

 

[Paul2]

Considering this thread

China population: concerns grow as number of registered births in 2020 plummet

China saw 10.035 million new registered births last year, according to the Ministry of Public Security, down from 11.79 million births in 2019 The new figure does not include the entire population, with total data expected to be released in April by the National Bureau of Statistics The...

defence.pk

I realized that the Chinese hukou system must be reformed or removed to support births and to make equal treatment for all Chinese nationals.

1. Reforms
- The same hukou for everyone in China, no matter where you're from you will get the same hukou and benefits linked to it (free school, etc.) if you want, you can go and work in Shanghai or a small city in Guizhou.
2. Removing Hukou
- just remove it.

I've come across at this forum that many Chinese people are laughing rightfully at endians that they have still in the place caste system, but somehow they don't talk about the Chinese caste system which is Hukou.

It cannot be that Chinese workers have to leave their children in the villages because they do not have the right to study in Shenzhen or Guangzhou. This is just one of the many injustices of this system. The richest big cities rip of Chinese migrant workers, while don't give the same benefits like to people holding Hukou of these cities. This entitlement of Hukou holders of the richest cities must end.

The richest big cities rip of Chinese migrant workers, while don't give the same benefits like to people holding Hukou of these cities. This entitlement of Hukou holders of the richest cities must end.

Tell that to papa Xi.

Though, I don't see how the situation will improve even without it.

There are cities where non-resident children can get to school, and you get basics of welfare.

It will still do nothing about all school demanding $$$$$$ for admission with, or without one.

There was a scandal in Shenzhen few years ago about schools illegally demanding admission fees.

I think more of an outrage was not from the fact of this happening, but that SZ hukou holders got outraged about "being treated like some peasants"

Hukou system is still existing in Vietnam (we call it "Ho khau", same meaning).

The system is misunderstood by the West, or it was distorted by Western media. It is totally not correct that children do not have the right to study in city, if their hukou are still in their hometowns.

My family hukou is in Hanoi, but my family can move to Ho Chi Minh city to live there. My children can go to schools in Ho Chi Minh city without the need to move my hukou to Ho Chi Minh. However, I will need to register with local authority that I will live permanently in Ho Chi Minh city for my children schooling. Nowadays, this register is generally more important than hukou and can replace hukou in most cases.

There are still some restrictions, but not so serious. For example, if my hukou is in District A, but I want my children to study in District B (both in Hanoi) for better school (of course, state school. Private schools generally do not require hukou), then unless my children are exceptionally good at some majors, or I have some "quan he" (connection, or "quanxi" in Chinese) with those school teachers, it would be rather difficult.

In China, your welfare, and children education is tied to your registration. Few cities do provide own welfare schemes not tied to hukou, but there are less than a dozen of them I believe.

 

[Song Hong]

It is really difficult to get Hanoi Ho Khau not even after you bought an apartment there, and stay there 10 years. Fortunately not too much penalties, other than kid cannot enroll in public schools. Essentially it is like no Ho Khau. Cant feel any inconvenience at all. So whether Ho Khau is there or not does not matter.

Hukou system is still existing in Vietnam (we call it "Ho khau", same meaning).

The system is misunderstood by the West, or it was distorted by Western media. It is totally not correct that children do not have the right to study in city, if their hukou are still in their hometowns.

My family hukou is in Hanoi, but my family can move to Ho Chi Minh city to live there. My children can go to schools in Ho Chi Minh city without the need to move my hukou to Ho Chi Minh. However, I will need to register with local authority that I will live permanently in Ho Chi Minh city for my children schooling. Nowadays, this register is generally more important than hukou and can replace hukou in most cases.

There are still some restrictions, but not so serious. For example, if my hukou is in District A, but I want my children to study in District B (both in Hanoi) for better school (of course, state school. Private schools generally do not require hukou), then unless my children are exceptionally good at some majors, or I have some "quan he" (connection, or "quanxi" in Chinese) with those school teachers, it would be rather difficult.

 

[Feng Leng]

China can already do without Hukou. The property price is preventing peasants from flooding Beijing Shanghai CBD.

The issue is that there is no easy way to stop people from packing into an apartment like sardines unless you have intrusive inspections. So the poor people will live in a cramped apartment with 60 people -- just like Hong Kongers live -- to hold a job in a big city. At least with the hukou system, the migrant workers can't take their whole families with them to the big cities. They must maintain roots in their hometowns. Again, the solution is to unwind the economic imbalance.

 

[Zsari]

Considering this thread

China population: concerns grow as number of registered births in 2020 plummet

China saw 10.035 million new registered births last year, according to the Ministry of Public Security, down from 11.79 million births in 2019 The new figure does not include the entire population, with total data expected to be released in April by the National Bureau of Statistics The...

defence.pk

I realized that the Chinese hukou system must be reformed or removed to support births and to make equal treatment for all Chinese nationals.

1. Reforms
- The same hukou for everyone in China, no matter where you're from you will get the same hukou and benefits linked to it (free school, etc.) if you want, you can go and work in Shanghai or a small city in Guizhou.
2. Removing Hukou
- just remove it.

I've come across at this forum that many Chinese people are laughing rightfully at endians that they have still in the place caste system, but somehow they don't talk about the Chinese caste system which is Hukou.

It cannot be that Chinese workers have to leave their children in the villages because they do not have the right to study in Shenzhen or Guangzhou. This is just one of the many injustices of this system. The richest big cities rip of Chinese migrant workers, while don't give the same benefits like to people holding Hukou of these cities. This entitlement of Hukou holders of the richest cities must end.

Failed to see how the Hukou system has anything to do with population growth. Allowing kids to goto school where everything is far more expensive will encourage migrant workers to have more children?

 

[Mista]

There are wide economic disparities and China has a population of 1.4bil, much more than the combined population of North America and South America (900mil). Can you imagine if the Americas become a single country overnight and those from South America move to the developed cities in the US/Canada without restrictions?

There should be a gradual reform on issues such as pension/welfare for migrant workers toiling in the big cities. But I don't think it's wise to do away with Hukou entirely. It's a necessary evil.

 

[ILC]

China Removes Barriers to Permanent Residency for Migrant Workers in Smaller Cities - Caixin Global

China Removes Barriers to Permanent Residency for Migrant Workers in Smaller Cities - Criteria for points-based residency application will include social security payments and length of stay

www.caixinglobal.com

China is abolishing restrictions on migrants applying for permanent residency status in cities with fewer than 3 million people, part of efforts to facilitate population mobility, according to a government notice (link in Chinese).

 

[casual]

improve benefits for rural hukou first. rural standard of living needs to be improved more before abolishing the system or there will be a massive migration to the cities.

 

[Paul2]

improve benefits for rural hukou first. rural standard of living needs to be improved more before abolishing the system or there will be a massive migration to the cities.

Even with household registration, what do you get from it in a big city?

State clinics are terrible, and anybody above 1k USD a month of income choose private ones.

State schools are overcrowded as they are, even hukou holders wait for years to get local admissions.

Everybody want a big city hukou, but big city hukous are some of the most useless one.

Etc, etc, etc.