Huge Turkish and HTS casualties in failed attack

[aziqbal]

My only question is where is Syria getting its soldiers after 9 years of war ?

In 2015 I read Syrian military was half strength

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

My only question is where is Syria getting its soldiers after 9 years of war ?

In 2015 I read Syrian military was half strength

Hezbollah and Iranian proxies. Have you seen the flags which Iran showed after Solemani death including Liwa Fatimayoun and Liwa Zanabiyoun (Afghan and Pakistani brainwashed militias?)

Now also they allied with PKK, which is being funded by US, Israel, Russia, Germany, and France. Christian fundamentalists are fighting on the side of Assad regime and PKK against Turkey as we speak.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I merely commented on his picture, but you see these two obsessive posters have been tailing me for some time now. What I do not understand is what do Non-Muslims gain by taking sides in sectarian wars in Muslim countries?

I don't blame Iranians for supporting their government, actually I find it reasonable, but these Non-Muslims supporting Assad and Iranian proxies, they are parasites feeding off the blood of Muslims and relishing it.

Basically Alt-righters and Neoliberals alike view Assad as some kind of great killer and defeater of Muslims, as some kind of secular diety in the Middle East.

He is fine with that image and proliferates it as well, going so far as declaring the coup in Egypt as a defeat for Islam in the political realm. Yet Iran, whose whole identity is rightfully based on Islam as a political reality, support this atheist in sectarian garb.

In the end of the day, Iranians will come to their senses, I believe, when the illusion of extremist sectarians will vanish and they realize they have no choice but to live with their Sunni Muslim neighbors and brothers.

They are still better than total sellout Arab supremacist regimes of Gulf who sold their sovereignty to US and Israel.

We Pakistanis are very upset with Iranian actions in the last couple years with India and Kabul/NA fiefdoms, and it is this backstabbing tendency which Iran has with friendly Sunni nations like Turkey, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Bosnia, etc. Which has upset us.

I think the alt righters get off on a lot of weird garbage. Some weird obsessions with Kurds and whoever their "ally-for-the-week" happens to be - today it's Assad, tomorrow it will be someone else. Your guess as good as mine.

 

[Desert Fox]

This is not Iran Defence Forum, it is Pakistan Defence Forum.

Criticism of toxic Iranian policy has nothing to do with ordinary Shias. Not everyone who resists Assad and Iranian proxies in Syria is a "Salafist beheader, liver eater."

@OsmanAli98 Frankly disappointed in you.

You guys wish to stifle the right of people to criticize Assad and Iran by threatening others.



The whole Muslim world, including Pakistan, is upset with Iranian foreign policy. This regime promoted sectarian murderous proxies in Syria and Iraq, is keeping Afghanistan disunited via racial/sectarian politics, becoming an ally of anti-Muslim fascist regimes (India, Armenia, Serbia, and Russia,) and spreading sectarian war throughout our region.

Before anyone calls us sectarian Salafists, KSA is equally reprehensible, and I have been very vocal against their policies, probably more so than Iran. Ask Arab members here, most of them refer to me as a Shia apologist.

Why should there be disappointment this is a free exchange fourm unless you are troll I respect you as a fellow Pakistani brother despite disagreements on certain issues and policies it's a fourm don't make a big deal over it

My brothers, I know sometimes we have disagreements but at the end of the day we all have the best interests of our country at heart and shouldn't let online opinions get between us.

No one on this forum has any reason to doubt either of yours patriotism and love for Pakistan, certainly not me from my interaction with you both on this forum. Eventhough I know you guys became passionate for your respective stances I know that you will both reconcile because at the end of the day this is just one among many debates and arguments that happen on this public and anonymous forum among many forums on the internet.

Sometimes we have tunnel vision but forget how small our presence is in the world wide web but it's okay, let reconcile as brothers and move on In sha Allah. @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @OsmanAli98

 

[masterchief_mirza]

We Pakistanis are very upset with Iranian actions in the last couple years with India and Kabul/NA fiefdoms, and it is this backstabbing tendency which Iran has with friendly Sunni nations like Turkey, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Bosnia, etc. Which has upset us.

This is explained by the paranoia of the mullahs. They defeat themselves mentally and frustrate potential friends in the process. This won't change sadly until the mullahs reform or leave. But I feel there's another issue - Persians have an arrogance similar to Arabs. They feel superior to Pakistanis on account of history, rather then present merits.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I think the alt righters get off on a lot of weird garbage. Some weird obsessions with Kurds and whoever their "ally-for-the-week" happens to be - today it's Assad, tomorrow it will be someone else. Your guess as good as mine.

They are trying to find their savior to get back at Muslims. Alhamdulilah, all their saviors have been terrible at winning battles. PKK, Assad regime can fight dirty with pogroms and torture sex camps, but in an open battle they collapse.

Israel is their saving grace, but even they would be no match for a genuine army. Picking off defenseless Palestinians is nothing heroic.

 

[dani92]

This is explained by the paranoia of the mullahs. They defeat themselves mentally and frustrate potential friends in the process. This won't change sadly until the mullahs reform or leave. But I feel there's another issue - Persians have an arrogance similar to Arabs. They feel superior to Pakistanis on account of history, rather then present merits.

Well that because your people suffer from inferiority complex from Iranians, indians, Arabs and turks so it's hard for people don't look down at you.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

My brothers, I know sometimes we have disagreements but at the end of the day we all have the best interests of our country at heart and shouldn't let online opinions get between us.

No one on this forum has any reason to doubt either of yours patriotism and love for Pakistan, certainly not me from my interaction with you both on this forum. Eventhough I know you guys became passionate for your respective stances I know that you will both reconcile because at the end of the day this is just one among many debates and arguments that happen on this public and anonymous forum among many forums on the internet.

Sometimes we have tunnel vision but forget how small our presence is in the world wide web but it's okay, let reconcile as brothers and move on In sha Allah. @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @OsmanAli98

My friend, I appreciate your concern and comments.

We have different views and opinions, that is fine, but supporting members calling for my ban, supporting those personally attacking and tailing my every post to misrepresent my statements is too much.

I don't want to talk more on this topic. Jazak Allahu khair for your words.

But I feel there's another issue - Persians have an arrogance similar to Arabs. They feel superior to Pakistanis on account of history, rather then present merits.

They are just digging their own graves and isolating themselves. When Israel takes action against them, no one will be able to help them as they both have poked knives at everyone in the region.

Strength is in unity, which Turks and Pakistanis understand, based on our long history of rule in Eurasia.

Those who divide up the Muslim Ummat, they hurt only themselves in the long run. Al Mahdi will not even look at their faces when the time comes. The one who has blood of his brother on his hands is pitiful, like Qabeel/Cain.

 

[Desert Fox]

My friend, I appreciate your concern and comments.

We have different views and opinions, that is fine, but supporting members calling for my ban, supporting those personally attacking and tailing my every post to misrepresent my statements is too much.

I don't want to talk more on this topic. Jazak Allahu khair for your words.

Well, I have gone through the entire thread and maybe mods have deleted some of the back and forth whatever the case may be, as a Muslim I will do my best to reconcile between my two brothers as this is what my religion has taught me.

As far as I know you have both made valid points but the way these points were conveyed was the issue as you pointed out

When two sides become extreme the truth is always somewhere in the middle and you both are correct on your views.

I have always been critical of Iranian Persian supremacist racism as well as Gulf Arab supremacism and how both of these nations used/still use religion as a sectarian tool to divide the Muslim Ummah.

Turkey has always been a reliable ally to Pakistan, but at the end of the day we Pakistanis need to have self respect before anyone else can respect us.

As you pointed out Irans double dealing nature and its support for terrorist organizations in Pakistan, what has Pakistan done to destroy Iranian networks inside it's own territories?

It all comes down to Pakistani impotence and others poke fun at us for this even mocking us.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Well that because your people suffer from inferiority complex from Iranians, indians, Arabs and turks so it's hard for people don't look down at you.

Where did you get this idea from? Wow. Today must be your time of the month for going cabbage brained.

Listen - we truly don't give a damn who you are, what colour you are, what your history is - if a people or nation or leader speaks up for our interests and in defence of our people, they will enjoy our friendship. Anyone who conspires with our foes will incur a penalty.

Iranians (not all, but definitely some, maybe even many) willingly conspire against Pakistan at least partly because of a sense of superiority over us "darkies". How do I know this? In England, plenty of these types troll the high streets pretending to be better than all the other immigrants from Asian countries. I will accept that any decently guided Iranian in terms of religiosity will not suffer from such arrogance because Islam
mitigates such racial thought....but certainly the non-religious Iranians I've run into don't know when to stop pretending to be self-styled colonial overlords of the inner cities.

 

[dani92]

Where did you get this idea from? Wow. Today must be your time of the month for going cabbage brained.

Listen - we truly don't give a damn who you are, what colour you are, what your history is - if a people or nation or leader speaks up for our interests and in defence of our people, they will enjoy our friendship. Anyone who conspires with our foes will incur a penalty.

Iranians (not all, but definitely some, maybe even many) willingly conspire against Pakistan at least partly because of a sense of superiority over us "darkies". How do I know this? In England, plenty of these types troll the high streets pretending to be better than all the other immigrants from Asian countries. I will accept that any decently guided Iranian in terms of religiosity will not suffer from such arrogance because Islam
mitigates such racial thought....but certainly the non-religious Iranians I've run into don't know when to stop pretending to be self-styled colonial overlords of the inner cities.

Even the afghans look down on you even though they are brown themselves but just because they are lighter and the same think with you Pakistanis against Indians and bengals the norther indians look down upon the southern indians who are darker.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Where did you get this idea from? Wow. Today must be your time of the month for going cabbage brained.

Listen - we truly don't give a damn who you are, what colour you are, what your history is - if a people or nation or leader speaks up for our interests and in defence of our people, they will enjoy our friendship. Anyone who conspires with our foes will incur a penalty.

Iranians (not all, but definitely some, maybe even many) willingly conspire against Pakistan at least partly because of a sense of superiority over us "darkies". How do I know this? In England, plenty of these types troll the high streets pretending to be better than all the other immigrants from Asian countries. I will accept that any decently guided Iranian in terms of religiosity will not suffer from such arrogance because Islam
mitigates such racial thought....but certainly the non-religious Iranians I've run into don't know when to stop pretending to be self-styled colonial overlords of the inner cities.

From What I observed, most Arabs and Iranians don't know exactly what Pakistanis are. They assume we are just like Indians even though we don't look much like them. They have sparse info of Pakistani history and warped ideas of our race. Generally they just lack knowledge and their over inflated ego is to hide that ignorance.

I have observed this strange phenomena of Arabs and Persians with dark skin mocking light skinned Pakistanis for being dark. I found it quite hilarious.

 

[ilia]

You didn't answer my question, why does Iran support India on Kashmir?

'Islamic' Republic of Iran. I wonder if any Iranians will comment on the above video, but they won't.

What a moron you are!

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei expressed concerns over “oppression” and “bullying” of Muslims in Kashmir.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AxAB&usg=AOvVaw1lPwwVgqcByf-eSelxwnmz&ampcf=1

Tehran, Aug 11, IRNA – Iran's President Hassan Rouhani on Sunday called for diplomatic settlement of Kashmir issue, saying that Iran advocates restoration of rights of the Muslims living in other countries.

Rouhani said that he contacted Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan by phone during which he said that Pakistani government will spare no effort to re-establish peace and security in Kashmir.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...WMAB6BAgCEAE&usg=AOvVaw1lUpeup-oqLS7mrVIEjny3

Look how everywhere in the world where there is a Muslim community, they receive a much harsher treatment compared with others. Kashmir is a contemporary example for this. Muslims there speak out their rights. Anyone who is informed of what Kashmir has gone through, knows what Muslims of Kashmir express is nothing but truth and justice. Those who silence them have an unjust cause. Those who attack them are the ones who are doing the wrong action. Sadly the world watches all this in cold blood.

~Ayatollah Khamenei, May 25, 1990



For the Islamic Republic of Iran, the issue of Kashmir is an issue of humanity and Islam since the Muslim people of this region are clearly subject to oppression and tyranny and we have always expressed to the government of India our abhorance towards what is being done to the Muslim people of Kashmir and we will continue to express the same feelings in various circles.

~Ayatollah Khamenei, September 11, 1994



We hope that the issue of Kashmir will also be solved in the best way which guarantees the rights and interests of the people living in this region so that they will be provided with peace and comfort.

~Ayatollah Khamenei, April 12, 2001

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Even the afghans look down on you even though they are brown themselves but just because they are lighter and the same think with you Pakistanis against Indians and bengals the norther indians look down upon the southern indians who are darker.

Gosh... I don't think I even care.

The point remains... Iran needs to sort itself out and fix its priorities in life. That would be good for the neighbourhood. Cheers.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

What a moron you are!

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei expressed concerns over “oppression” and “bullying” of Muslims in Kashmir.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AxAB&usg=AOvVaw1lPwwVgqcByf-eSelxwnmz&ampcf=1

Tehran, Aug 11, IRNA – Iran's President Hassan Rouhani on Sunday called for diplomatic settlement of Kashmir issue, saying that Iran advocates restoration of rights of the Muslims living in other countries.

Rouhani said that he contacted Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan by phone during which he said that Pakistani government will spare no effort to re-establish peace and security in Kashmir.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...WMAB6BAgCEAE&usg=AOvVaw1lUpeup-oqLS7mrVIEjny3

Look how everywhere in the world where there is a Muslim community, they receive a much harsher treatment compared with others. Kashmir is a contemporary example for this. Muslims there speak out their rights. Anyone who is informed of what Kashmir has gone through, knows what Muslims of Kashmir express is nothing but truth and justice. Those who silence them have an unjust cause. Those who attack them are the ones who are doing the wrong action. Sadly the world watches all this in cold blood.

~Ayatollah Khamenei, May 25, 1990



For the Islamic Republic of Iran, the issue of Kashmir is an issue of humanity and Islam since the Muslim people of this region are clearly subject to oppression and tyranny and we have always expressed to the government of India our abhorance towards what is being done to the Muslim people of Kashmir and we will continue to express the same feelings in various circles.

~Ayatollah Khamenei, September 11, 1994



We hope that the issue of Kashmir will also be solved in the best way which guarantees the rights and interests of the people living in this region so that they will be provided with peace and comfort.

~Ayatollah Khamenei, April 12, 2001

Statements are one thing, but practical steps is another. 90's both countries were close, and Ahmedi Nejad had interest in being close to Sunni countries, unfortunately sectarianism under Rouhani continues unabated. Has India ever felt Iran will downgrade ties as a result of their evil actions in Kashmir?

Instead, they got invited to Afghanistan and gained Chahbahar, now they are taken to Oman, all bases to be used against Pakistan.

Note: KSA and UAE antics are worse.

Gosh... I don't think I even care.

The point remains... Iran needs to sort itself out and fix its priorities in life. That would be good for the neighbourhood. Cheers.

LOL, don't worry about these Arab racists. They always come with the same points and get banned. Pakistanis are the most accepting people on the planet, we don't care about black or white.

Being Iraqi, he probably is darker than all of us, but ofcourse some of them are filled with 'white worship.'

As a light-skinned Pakistani myself, I get mistaken for other nationalities all the time(like Iranian, Gulf Arab, Levantine, Afghan, even European, etc.) but I very proudly say I am Pakistani. Ours is a great nation, full of promise and a bright future. I look at the ME and simply get depressed.

Turkey is the only progressive and modern nation in that region. it is a beacon of light in a pool of sectarianism, racism, ethnic chauvinism, and hypocrisy.