Huge cars price different between Pakistani and Indian Market

[Vapnope]

This discussion has been diverted to another important issue which wasn't exactly the topic of the thread. I agree with OP @Raj-Hindustani that Pakistan needs to do better in Auto sector to ensure more value for money and i totally support @jamahir stance that ideally Govts should ensure more accessible public transport systems to commuters because private cars are harmful for the people in long run.

 

[Maula Jatt]

This discussion has been diverted to another important issue which wasn't exactly the topic of the thread. I agree with OP @Raj-Hindustani that Pakistan needs to do better in Auto sector to ensure more value for money and i totally support @jamahir stance that ideally Govts should ensure more accessible public transport systems to commuters because private cars are harmful for the people in long run.

Both are needed tbh and lol I agree with both

We need to fully manufacture cars (not just assemble) , bring the cost down

But in SC we can't have car culture, especially like the American one

This'll be very bad for traffic, pollution and a lot of other things

So focus on public transport is also very important

 

[Wood]

Models such as the rail+property model could be considered to lower the capital costs.

This model is more feasible for high income cities where the property values are enough to offset the cost of building the transport infrastructure. Secondly, the state should have rights to the properties along public transport corridors in the first place. In a more typical case, the state has to pay residents a fair compensation for them to move and that itself could become a burden.

I don't see many cities in South Asia where a public transport infrastructure (like metro line) can be built without significant capital from the state. It is easy for random people on the internet to state obvious ideas like 'improving public infrastructure' etc. Everyone knows about the benefits of a robust public infrastructure and the different common ways to fund them. Only those who run the administration have a clear picture of economic, social and political viability of these projects

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Lol. It makes my blood boils when same cars in US are cheaper than it is in India. I mean Hyundai Fucking Elantra is like 17k in Canada (starting price-manual) while the same is 15 Lakh in India, equal to nearly 30k CAD. Moreover most of Indian cars are mostly 1.2 or 1.5L engine ones due to less speed in city's cos of traffic.

 

[DJ_Viper]

There are below few examples:

Toyota Fortuner -

India -
Fortuner 2.8 Diesel 4x4 AT - 38 Lakh INR

Pakistan -
Fortuner Sigma4 (4x4 Hi) - 92 Lakh PKR (same model)

Suzuki Swift

India -
Starting Price - .5.20 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -20 lakh PKR (approx)

Suzuki Alto
India -
Starting Price - .2.80 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -14 lakh PKR (approx)


Suzuki WagonR
India -
Starting Price - .4.70 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -16 lakh PKR (approx)


Toyota Yaris
India -
Starting Price - .9.20 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -25 lakh PKR (approx)


There are many cars available in the Indian market with better features that price also starts from 4-5 lakhs... It is really injustice with Pakistanis people because of their government negligence... They are paying the high cost for the basic features cars also..

Sadly, a big majority of the members here are either Pakistanis living elsewhere, or, from the top 20% that can afford majority of the prices listed (if not all). So they will get upset instead of realizing the economic condition that need to change, how their government is not functional, etc, etc. I've tried it a few times and usually good advise falls on def ears.

 

[magra]

But what is the deep reason that prevents it from happening ? What if Modi had declared in 2014 that by 2021 the Indian public transport system would consist only of mass transport ( public buses ), taxis and semi-public buses ( owned by schools / colleges and large offices ) ? Why is my idea not realistic ?

Asking people to give away their vehicles is dictatorial. India can discourage car ownership by increasing registration fees, toll tax, parking charge etc, but that only reduce to an extent car ownership, not eliminate it.

1. I was talking about the inter-city passenger trains in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Many people in India will use a train to travel between Delhi and Bangalore whose distance is about 2000 kilometers. Around the same distance is in America between New York and Miami but most people would use a plane. Passenger trains in the Subcontinent are British-era relics which was obsolete. Don't need to be continued.

Airlines are better only for longer distances like Delhi-Mumbai. For shorter distances like Mumbai-Pune or Mumbai-Ahmedabad, a high speed rail is better. Again check out China and Japan's high speed inter city rail network and the benefits from it.
Airlines consume much more energy, cause pollution, airports require lot of space.

2. As for intra-city travel in San Jose or Phoenix why can't the government provide lot more public buses and taxis ? If the American government can have a military budget of 934 billion dollars just for 2020-21 then it can spend some money on giving Americans a lot better city life. And wasn't it the motto of Uber when it came out that Americans would no longer need to use their private cars because they could just book an Uber ?

Taxis (Uber) are there but they are costly. For example, a ride to the airport would typically cost 50$, whereas public transport should have costed 3$. Buses are also very few. Actually, car lobby is huge in US which discourages investment in public transport.

This model is more feasible for high income cities where the property values are enough to offset the cost of building the transport infrastructure. Secondly, the state should have rights to the properties along public transport corridors in the first place. In a more typical case, the state has to pay residents a fair compensation for them to move and that itself could become a burden.

I don't see many cities in South Asia where a public transport infrastructure (like metro line) can be built without significant capital from the state. It is easy for random people on the internet to state obvious ideas like 'improving public infrastructure' etc. Everyone knows about the benefits of a robust public infrastructure and the different common ways to fund them. Only those who run the administration have a clear picture of economic, social and political viability of these projects

It is obvious that metro train lines require state funding. Any town with a pop. in excess of 10 or 20 lacs can have a viable metro line. The city makes a profit in the long run due to increased economic activity arising out of easier people movement.

 

[jamahir]

Asking people to give away their vehicles is dictatorial. India can discourage car ownership by increasing registration fees, toll tax, parking charge etc, but that only reduce to an extent car ownership, not eliminate it.

Not being dictatorial. Just asking people to be reasonable. It is for their own benefit. I wrote this in post# 32 ( including about two-wheelers ) :

This will remove most traffic accidents, pollution, crime and general chaos. Imagine Indian cities without the millions of chaos-inducing cars, motorcycles and scooters. Instead of the privately-owned personal transport car being the basic need of a person or family the person or family's basic need and actually demand to the government should be clean, harmonious, non-polluted and non-chaotic cities.

And this :

For the good of the world, especially India and China should be removed of their privately-owned personal transport vehicles. In fact ban privately-owned personal transport vehicles everywhere. They are the main cause of pollution and climate change.

What good will India and China be doing by signing on a mutual climate change agreement by using vague phrases like "Sustainable development" instead of taking practical and brave steps like banning privately-owned personal transport vehicles ?

Airlines are better only for longer distances like Delhi-Mumbai. For shorter distances like Mumbai-Pune or Mumbai-Ahmedabad, a high speed rail is better.

What is wrong with buses ? I watched a vid about two travelers to Pakistan who traveled on a inter-bus that had a toilet, kitchen and IIRC 4G connection too. This particular bus service was costlier but if the government does it it can be made low cost or even free.

Again check out China and Japan's high speed inter city rail network and the benefits from it.

Like I said earlier China is just adopting non-sensible Western-seeming travel modes like bullet trains.


But what are they benefits ?

Airlines consume much more energy, cause pollution, airports require lot of space.

And trains don't ?

Below is from China :

Taxis (Uber) are there but they are costly. For example, a ride to the airport would typically cost 50$, whereas public transport should have costed 3$. Buses are also very few. Actually, car lobby is huge in US which discourages investment in public transport.

So car lobby is huge and the government instead spends almost a trillion on the military yearly.

 

[magra]

Not being dictatorial. Just asking people to be reasonable. It is for their own benefit. I wrote this in post# 32 ( including about two-wheelers ) :

Banning private vehicles or just asking people to be reasonable is not feasible.
The following steps would be needed.
1. Make pollution control stricter so any vehicle older than 10 years should not be allowed on road.
2. Increase car registration fees, road toll taxes, parking fees etc
3. Designate certain roads to be free from 4 wheelers.
4. Increase cost of petrol and incentivize electric vehicles.
5. Provide alternate means of transport - buses, vans, intra city trains, shared cabs

What is wrong with buses ? I watched a vid about two travelers to Pakistan who traveled on a inter-bus that had a toilet, kitchen and IIRC 4G connection too. This particular bus service was costlier but if the government does it it can be made low cost or even free.

Buses can also be there, but trains will still be needed.
Trains are faster, more comfortable, with better time predictability, safer, carry many more passengers.

Like I said earlier China is just adopting non-sensible Western-seeming travel modes like bullet trains.

Why do you feel bullet trains are non-sensible?

 

[GumNaam]

There are below few examples:

Toyota Fortuner -

India -
Fortuner 2.8 Diesel 4x4 AT - 38 Lakh INR

Pakistan -
Fortuner Sigma4 (4x4 Hi) - 92 Lakh PKR (same model)

Suzuki Swift

India -
Starting Price - .5.20 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -20 lakh PKR (approx)

Suzuki Alto
India -
Starting Price - .2.80 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -14 lakh PKR (approx)


Suzuki WagonR
India -
Starting Price - .4.70 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -16 lakh PKR (approx)


Toyota Yaris
India -
Starting Price - .9.20 Lakh INR (approx)

Pakistan -
Staring price -25 lakh PKR (approx)


There are many cars available in the Indian market with better features that price also starts from 4-5 lakhs... It is really injustice with Pakistanis people because of their government negligence... They are paying the high cost for the basic features cars also..

a certain car costs more in the u.s. verses the same car in mexico...the greater the public buying power, the greater the profit taken...Pakistani public are generally considered wealthier than indians...

 

[Chhatrapati]

Higher taxes, import costs and low supply chains, lower demand are all factors for higher costs. The car companies need to balance their books. It wouldn't cost much to make Suzuki swift in India and sell it and make a profit while to make the same profit you need to sell it more than twice or thrice for profit.

Similarly, some cars in the US are cheaper than in India because there is n-times the demand. Companies can justify the price with net profit in selling a unit.

 

[CatSultan]

Do we have Iron ore and aluminium ore in Pakistan? Do we have the oil needed to make the plastics? Do we have rubber plantations? Do we have lithium mines for batteries?

Most aluminium doesn't come from ore. Aluminum ore is extremley rare. Most of it comes from Boxite refining which is a mineral found in sand. Also, the biggest car manufacturers, Germany and Japan don't have any of these things. Japanese iron is pretty bad quality, that is why they had to fold their swords.