Huawei phones are still red hot in China. But the Google app ban is hurting sales overseas

[Hamartia Antidote]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/tech/huawei-sales-mate-30/index.html

Huawei's smartphone sales are still soaring, but only in China. That's a big blow for a company that just a few months ago was in pole position to overtake Samsung as the biggest smartphone seller in the world.

Those hopes were dashed when Washington placed Huawei on a trade blacklist in May. The ban bars US companies from selling tech and components to Huawei, the world's largest telecommunications equipment maker and No. 2 smartphone seller.

Data from market research firms Canalys and IDC underscore how the company's smartphone unit has been forced to focus on domestic sales, just as China's economy is slowing and consumers are tightening their belts.

"Huawei is not hanging all of its growth prospects on China yet, but it has been backed into a corner in the past couple of quarters," said Ben Stanton, an analyst with Canalys.
Huawei shipped 67 million smartphones in the third quarter, up nearly 30% compared to a year earlier, according to the data from Canalys and IDC. The surge was driven by a spike in sales in China, where the company grew shipments by more than 60%, despite the overall market shrinking compared with the previous year.

But Huawei's smartphone sales outside of China fell 6% year-on-year last quarter, and that followed a plunge of between 12% and 17% in overseas shipments in the second quarter, data from IDC and Canalys showed. The two market research firms are independent, and use slightly different metrics to measure smartphone shipments.
The US ban has hit Huawei's global sales particularly hard because new devices no longer have access to some critical Google (GOOGL) mobile services.

Huawei released its latest flagship phone, the Mate 30, in late September. The device, which is priced at €799 ($880) and upward, doesn't have access to either the Google Play store or the many popular apps within it, such as Google maps, Uber (UBER) or Facebook (FB).
That's less of a problem for Huawei in China, where some of the global apps have been banned for many years or there are homegrown alternatives.

But overseas, many carriers and retailers have "become more reluctant to stock Huawei products as [they] aren't sure how Huawei is going to manage around the lack of Google services," IDC analyst Melissa Chau said.

Global retailers 'skeptical' of phones without Google

Huawei is hard at work building up its own app store and operating system. Popular Chinese apps like Tencent's (TCEHY) WeChat and Alibaba's (BABA) Alipay are already available. But convincing international developers to make mobile applications for anything other than Apple (AAPL) iOS or Google Play Store is hard work. Other tech giants such as Microsoft (MSFT) have tried that trick and failed.

Huawei's "big challenge is to convince smartphone distributors, carriers and retailers that there is a market for a non-Google device outside of China," said Stanton. "But many of them are still skeptical, having seen various platforms like Blackberry OS and Windows Phone fail in the past."

Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei said at a press event last month that the restricted access to Google's suite of applications, "will definitely have an impact on us." He added that Mate 30 sales have been strong so far, but didn't go into detail.

The company is expected to start developing new versions of other flagship phones, including its popular P series, early next year, according to Canalys. If the US trade blacklist is still in place, the new phones will also be cut off from Google services and the resilience of Huawei's sales will be further tested.

Ren was cautious when it came to sales forecasts, saying the company's consumer business group, which includes smartphones, "hopes to see significant growth next year. It may not pan out, though."

The company has said that it would prefer to operate in Google's ecosystem. And Washington has dangled hopes of a reprieve.

Last month, US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said his department expects to grant some US companies licenses to sell to Huawei "shortly," but the Trump administration has retreated from such promises before.

Growing the business with big bonuses

Even if Huawei remains on the trade blacklist into next year, the company could hang onto its spot as the world's No. 2 smartphone seller ahead of Apple (AAPL), according to Charlie Dai, an analyst with Forrester.

Huawei has 40% of China's smartphone market, "and we expect that it can further rise to above 50% and reach almost 60% in 2020 and beyond. This will help Huawei keep its momentum to some extent," Dai said.

But it remains unclear whether Huawei's ability to grow sales outside of China will be permanently impaired, especially in competitive markets like India and Southeast Asia, if it remains in limbo for much longer.

Huawei could "still say afloat" in the near to mid-term by shipping pre-ban smartphones with older Google software in overseas markets, according to Varun Mishra, an analyst with Counterpoint Research.

However, the absence of newer, Google-powered devices that can generate buzz for Huawei's portfolio of phones "would definitely affect mindshare and market share until the ban is relaxed," he said.

Huawei spokeswoman Evita Cao said that "overall retail sales remain stable and strong," and noted that overseas smartphone sales in the third quarter were higher than in the second. The company's business has also proven broadly resilient this year: When Huawei reported earnings last month, it said revenue increased 24% in the first nine months of 2019 compared to the same period a year earlier.

The company, which is known for its survivalist "wolf culture," has been aggressively trying to grow the business despite the US restrictions. Ren has compared Huawei to a war plane riddled with bullets, saying staffers are working to repair the holes.

Those staffers are about to be well compensated for their efforts, too.

Last week, Huawei announced that it is paying 2 billion yuan ($284 million) in bonuses next month to people who helped the company find alternative suppliers and worked long hours "mending our weaknesses," according to internal memos seen by CNN Business and shared by a Huawei employee. The news was first reported by the Financial Times.

The company is also doubling the salaries of all 194,000 employees for one month for helping ensure business continuity, the Huawei employee said.
Huawei declined to comment on the record about the bonuses.

— CNN's Kenneth Leung contributed to this report.

 

[Dazzler]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/tech/huawei-sales-mate-30/index.html

Huawei's smartphone sales are still soaring, but only in China. That's a big blow for a company that just a few months ago was in pole position to overtake Samsung as the biggest smartphone seller in the world.

Those hopes were dashed when Washington placed Huawei on a trade blacklist in May. The ban bars US companies from selling tech and components to Huawei, the world's largest telecommunications equipment maker and No. 2 smartphone seller.

Data from market research firms Canalys and IDC underscore how the company's smartphone unit has been forced to focus on domestic sales, just as China's economy is slowing and consumers are tightening their belts.

"Huawei is not hanging all of its growth prospects on China yet, but it has been backed into a corner in the past couple of quarters," said Ben Stanton, an analyst with Canalys.
Huawei shipped 67 million smartphones in the third quarter, up nearly 30% compared to a year earlier, according to the data from Canalys and IDC. The surge was driven by a spike in sales in China, where the company grew shipments by more than 60%, despite the overall market shrinking compared with the previous year.

But Huawei's smartphone sales outside of China fell 6% year-on-year last quarter, and that followed a plunge of between 12% and 17% in overseas shipments in the second quarter, data from IDC and Canalys showed. The two market research firms are independent, and use slightly different metrics to measure smartphone shipments.
The US ban has hit Huawei's global sales particularly hard because new devices no longer have access to some critical Google (GOOGL) mobile services.

Huawei released its latest flagship phone, the Mate 30, in late September. The device, which is priced at €799 ($880) and upward, doesn't have access to either the Google Play store or the many popular apps within it, such as Google maps, Uber (UBER) or Facebook (FB).
That's less of a problem for Huawei in China, where some of the global apps have been banned for many years or there are homegrown alternatives.

But overseas, many carriers and retailers have "become more reluctant to stock Huawei products as [they] aren't sure how Huawei is going to manage around the lack of Google services," IDC analyst Melissa Chau said.

Global retailers 'skeptical' of phones without Google

Huawei is hard at work building up its own app store and operating system. Popular Chinese apps like Tencent's (TCEHY) WeChat and Alibaba's (BABA) Alipay are already available. But convincing international developers to make mobile applications for anything other than Apple (AAPL) iOS or Google Play Store is hard work. Other tech giants such as Microsoft (MSFT) have tried that trick and failed.

Huawei's "big challenge is to convince smartphone distributors, carriers and retailers that there is a market for a non-Google device outside of China," said Stanton. "But many of them are still skeptical, having seen various platforms like Blackberry OS and Windows Phone fail in the past."

Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei said at a press event last month that the restricted access to Google's suite of applications, "will definitely have an impact on us." He added that Mate 30 sales have been strong so far, but didn't go into detail.

The company is expected to start developing new versions of other flagship phones, including its popular P series, early next year, according to Canalys. If the US trade blacklist is still in place, the new phones will also be cut off from Google services and the resilience of Huawei's sales will be further tested.

Ren was cautious when it came to sales forecasts, saying the company's consumer business group, which includes smartphones, "hopes to see significant growth next year. It may not pan out, though."

The company has said that it would prefer to operate in Google's ecosystem. And Washington has dangled hopes of a reprieve.

Last month, US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said his department expects to grant some US companies licenses to sell to Huawei "shortly," but the Trump administration has retreated from such promises before.

Growing the business with big bonuses

Even if Huawei remains on the trade blacklist into next year, the company could hang onto its spot as the world's No. 2 smartphone seller ahead of Apple (AAPL), according to Charlie Dai, an analyst with Forrester.

Huawei has 40% of China's smartphone market, "and we expect that it can further rise to above 50% and reach almost 60% in 2020 and beyond. This will help Huawei keep its momentum to some extent," Dai said.

But it remains unclear whether Huawei's ability to grow sales outside of China will be permanently impaired, especially in competitive markets like India and Southeast Asia, if it remains in limbo for much longer.

Huawei could "still say afloat" in the near to mid-term by shipping pre-ban smartphones with older Google software in overseas markets, according to Varun Mishra, an analyst with Counterpoint Research.

However, the absence of newer, Google-powered devices that can generate buzz for Huawei's portfolio of phones "would definitely affect mindshare and market share until the ban is relaxed," he said.

Huawei spokeswoman Evita Cao said that "overall retail sales remain stable and strong," and noted that overseas smartphone sales in the third quarter were higher than in the second. The company's business has also proven broadly resilient this year: When Huawei reported earnings last month, it said revenue increased 24% in the first nine months of 2019 compared to the same period a year earlier.

The company, which is known for its survivalist "wolf culture," has been aggressively trying to grow the business despite the US restrictions. Ren has compared Huawei to a war plane riddled with bullets, saying staffers are working to repair the holes.

Those staffers are about to be well compensated for their efforts, too.

Last week, Huawei announced that it is paying 2 billion yuan ($284 million) in bonuses next month to people who helped the company find alternative suppliers and worked long hours "mending our weaknesses," according to internal memos seen by CNN Business and shared by a Huawei employee. The news was first reported by the Financial Times.

The company is also doubling the salaries of all 194,000 employees for one month for helping ensure business continuity, the Huawei employee said.
Huawei declined to comment on the record about the bonuses.

— CNN's Kenneth Leung contributed to this report.

Trump had to ban it, else it would have taken over Apple in a couple of years.

 

[beijingwalker]

Huawei Founder Says Chinese Giant Doesn’t Need the U.S.
‘The China-U.S. trade talks are not something I’m concerned with,’ Ren Zhengfei declared
Nov. 6, 2019 7:17 am ET

SHENZHEN—Huawei Technologies Co. can survive without the U.S., Chief Executive Ren Zhengfei said, dismissing Washington’s campaign against it as ineffective.

The Chinese telecom giant hasn’t yet received any expressions of interest from U.S. companies to buy the intellectual property underpinning its 5G technology—a workaround floated earlier this year after years of being blocked in the U.S.—but the proposal remains on the table, he added.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Huawei’s 75-year-old founder struck a defiant tone on the Trump administration’s recent moves against the company, while also praising the U.S.’s entrepreneurial spirit.

“We can survive very well without the U.S.,” Mr. Ren said. “The China-U.S. trade talks are not something I’m concerned with.”

Mr. Ren said Huawei isn’t a factor in the trade war because “we have virtually no business dealings in the U.S.” He also said “there has been no confrontation with the U.S.” and said he would welcome a visit from Mr. Trump now or after he has left office.

“We would certainly give him a warm welcome,” Mr. Ren said.

In May the U.S. added Huawei to a Commerce Department “entity list,” preventing many American suppliers from doing business with the Shenzhen-based company. Huawei, the world’s largest maker of networking equipment and No. 2 smartphone vendor, has also emerged as a central issue in the trade war, and Beijing has insisted on a reprieve as a condition for any deal.

Huawei, which last year bought $11 billion of technology from American suppliers—including software from Alphabet Inc. and Microsoft Corp. , and chips from an array of manufacturers—has moved to find backup sources, while also working on its own chips and software.

Huawei executives say the company is building its entire portfolio of 5G networking products without any American technology, at a clip of 5,000 base stations a month.

“We don’t expect the U.S. to remove Huawei from the entity list,” Mr. Ren said. “They may as well keep us there forever because we’ll be fine without them.”

Still, Huawei executives say the company is still buying technology from American companies. Chips made by U.S. companies at factories offshore, for example, generally aren’t subject to the U.S. restrictions, legal experts said. That has allowed several American companies, including chip makers Intel Corp. and Qualcomm Inc., to resume sales to Huawei.

Will Zhang, Huawei’s president of corporate strategy, said in an interview that the purchase of U.S. technology is at 70% to 80% of its previous level.

The blacklisting was one of numerous anti-Huawei actions in the past year by Washington, which regards it as a security threat. U.S. officials have pressed allies to keep Huawei out of their 5G networks, and last December in Vancouver, Canadian authorities arrested Mr. Ren’s daughter— Meng Wanzhou, who is also Huawei’s CFO—at U.S. behest.

Huawei nonetheless continues to win 5G contracts around the world, while its smartphone sales are booming—particularly in China—despite uncertainty over its continued access to Google’s Android operating system. Mr. Ren initially forecast a $30 billion revenue hit from the blacklisting this year and next, but the company has said revenue for the first nine months of the year was up 24%.

Mr. Ren first made his 5G offer to the U.S. earlier this year as a way to help it catch up, while raising money to fund research and development, for which Huawei budgeted about $14.5 billion last year. The U.S. has no large vendor of cellular networking equipment of its own. Huawei’s main rivals in that sector are Sweden’s Ericsson AB and Finland’s Nokia Corp.

“We are completely sincere in our offer to license our 5G technology to the U.S.,” Mr. Ren said. He said the U.S. could “overtake Huawei” in three years.

The U.S. defends its actions against Huawei by citing concerns that Beijing could use its equipment for spying. It also says Huawei would be legally bound to comply with requests for customer data from Beijing.

Mr. Ren has repeatedly denied spying on customers for any government and has said he would deny any such requests from Beijing.

Asked if Huawei could be sure that none of its nearly 200,000 employees around the world engage in espionage on behalf of a government, Mr. Ren pointed to the company’s compliance guidelines.

“We don’t allow for violations,” he said. “If there were any employees that did such a thing, they would be severely punished.”

Insisting Huawei has no access to the data that flows through it networks, Mr. Ren argued by analogy.

“Just like automobile manufacturers, we only sell equipment,” he said, adding, “Carriers build pipes and ensure information flows smoothly through the pipes, while we produce the iron sheets on top of the pipes. What could we do with iron sheets?”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/huawei-founder-says-chinese-giant-doesnt-need-the-u-s-11573042649

Trump had to ban it, else it would have taken over Apple in a couple of years.

And then China will ban Apple, we'll see who suffers more.

 

[Dazzler]

Huawei Founder Says Chinese Giant Doesn’t Need the U.S.
‘The China-U.S. trade talks are not something I’m concerned with,’ Ren Zhengfei declared
Nov. 6, 2019 7:17 am ET

SHENZHEN—Huawei Technologies Co. can survive without the U.S., Chief Executive Ren Zhengfei said, dismissing Washington’s campaign against it as ineffective.

The Chinese telecom giant hasn’t yet received any expressions of interest from U.S. companies to buy the intellectual property underpinning its 5G technology—a workaround floated earlier this year after years of being blocked in the U.S.—but the proposal remains on the table, he added.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Huawei’s 75-year-old founder struck a defiant tone on the Trump administration’s recent moves against the company, while also praising the U.S.’s entrepreneurial spirit.

“We can survive very well without the U.S.,” Mr. Ren said. “The China-U.S. trade talks are not something I’m concerned with.”

Mr. Ren said Huawei isn’t a factor in the trade war because “we have virtually no business dealings in the U.S.” He also said “there has been no confrontation with the U.S.” and said he would welcome a visit from Mr. Trump now or after he has left office.

“We would certainly give him a warm welcome,” Mr. Ren said.

In May the U.S. added Huawei to a Commerce Department “entity list,” preventing many American suppliers from doing business with the Shenzhen-based company. Huawei, the world’s largest maker of networking equipment and No. 2 smartphone vendor, has also emerged as a central issue in the trade war, and Beijing has insisted on a reprieve as a condition for any deal.

Huawei, which last year bought $11 billion of technology from American suppliers—including software from Alphabet Inc. and Microsoft Corp. , and chips from an array of manufacturers—has moved to find backup sources, while also working on its own chips and software.

Huawei executives say the company is building its entire portfolio of 5G networking products without any American technology, at a clip of 5,000 base stations a month.

“We don’t expect the U.S. to remove Huawei from the entity list,” Mr. Ren said. “They may as well keep us there forever because we’ll be fine without them.”

Still, Huawei executives say the company is still buying technology from American companies. Chips made by U.S. companies at factories offshore, for example, generally aren’t subject to the U.S. restrictions, legal experts said. That has allowed several American companies, including chip makers Intel Corp. and Qualcomm Inc., to resume sales to Huawei.

Will Zhang, Huawei’s president of corporate strategy, said in an interview that the purchase of U.S. technology is at 70% to 80% of its previous level.

The blacklisting was one of numerous anti-Huawei actions in the past year by Washington, which regards it as a security threat. U.S. officials have pressed allies to keep Huawei out of their 5G networks, and last December in Vancouver, Canadian authorities arrested Mr. Ren’s daughter— Meng Wanzhou, who is also Huawei’s CFO—at U.S. behest.

Huawei nonetheless continues to win 5G contracts around the world, while its smartphone sales are booming—particularly in China—despite uncertainty over its continued access to Google’s Android operating system. Mr. Ren initially forecast a $30 billion revenue hit from the blacklisting this year and next, but the company has said revenue for the first nine months of the year was up 24%.

Mr. Ren first made his 5G offer to the U.S. earlier this year as a way to help it catch up, while raising money to fund research and development, for which Huawei budgeted about $14.5 billion last year. The U.S. has no large vendor of cellular networking equipment of its own. Huawei’s main rivals in that sector are Sweden’s Ericsson AB and Finland’s Nokia Corp.

“We are completely sincere in our offer to license our 5G technology to the U.S.,” Mr. Ren said. He said the U.S. could “overtake Huawei” in three years.

The U.S. defends its actions against Huawei by citing concerns that Beijing could use its equipment for spying. It also says Huawei would be legally bound to comply with requests for customer data from Beijing.

Mr. Ren has repeatedly denied spying on customers for any government and has said he would deny any such requests from Beijing.

Asked if Huawei could be sure that none of its nearly 200,000 employees around the world engage in espionage on behalf of a government, Mr. Ren pointed to the company’s compliance guidelines.

“We don’t allow for violations,” he said. “If there were any employees that did such a thing, they would be severely punished.”

Insisting Huawei has no access to the data that flows through it networks, Mr. Ren argued by analogy.

“Just like automobile manufacturers, we only sell equipment,” he said, adding, “Carriers build pipes and ensure information flows smoothly through the pipes, while we produce the iron sheets on top of the pipes. What could we do with iron sheets?”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/huawei-founder-says-chinese-giant-doesnt-need-the-u-s-11573042649


And then China will ban Apple, we'll see who suffers more.

True, Trump and US will end up losing $

 

[Rusty]

unless Huawei is allowed access to western tech and markets they will never be competitive.

Keep in mind that Huawei can't use the latest ARM chips as well so that will kill them in all world markets outside the extremely low budget ones.

Huwei is stuck in a tough spot, they deny they give data to the CPC, but CPC law says they must do it when asked.

With so many tech companies, why risk having your data given to the CPC.

 

[Danish Moazzam]

ARM will continue to supply HiSilicon as it is based of UK origin and not under US trade sale ban

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lying-chip-technology-to-huawei-idUSKBN1X40YU

Rest USA can only delay Huawei until unless it can offer something in this area.

 

[kankan326]

why risk having your data given to the CPC.

Better than giving data to US. US love interferring in other countries, even bombing other countries. CPC doesn't care about other countries' internal affairs.

Keep in mind that Huawei can't use the latest ARM chips

Wrong. Huawei can use ARM newest V9

 

[Rusty]

Better than giving data to US. US love interferring in other countries, even bombing other countries. CPC doesn't care about other countries' internal affairs.

Wrong. Huawei can use ARM newest V9
View attachment 589359

Didn't deny that CPC gets data from Huawei, did whataboutism instead.

+50 social credit


https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/25...hip-architecture-huawei-trump-trade-ban-uk-us

Yeah, looks like ARM changed its mind.
well, bust of luck to Huawei.

 

[Han Patriot]

Create an app to access google services for Huawei. Lol.

 

[casual]

unless Huawei is allowed access to western tech and markets they will never be competitive.

Keep in mind that Huawei can't use the latest ARM chips as well so that will kill them in all world markets outside the extremely low budget ones.

Huwei is stuck in a tough spot, they deny they give data to the CPC, but CPC law says they must do it when asked.

With so many tech companies, why risk having your data given to the CPC.

which law says huawei must provide cpc with data when asked?

 

[beijingwalker]

unless Huawei is allowed access to western tech and markets they will never be competitive.

Keep in mind that Huawei can't use the latest ARM chips as well so that will kill them in all world markets outside the extremely low budget ones.

Huwei is stuck in a tough spot, they deny they give data to the CPC, but CPC law says they must do it when asked.

With so many tech companies, why risk having your data given to the CPC.

To your disappointment

Huawei Beats Apple Again At Smartphone Sales Despite USA Ban
November 12, 2019 TECHNOLOGY

The smartphone market today is dominated by two operating systems – Android and iOS – and just a handful of major manufacturers.


For years, the top two positions in the quarterly sales reports were dominated by the two biggest names in the smartphone market – Samsung, and Apple, in this order.

Last year, in turn, an unexpected brand started to show its muscle in the global smartphone business: Shenzen-based manufacturer Huawei.

The company was a raging success in China, where it became a de facto market leader with its Huawei and Honor brands, and people around the world started embracing it as an alternative to Samsung.


Not enough to threaten the South Korean giant’s position – but enough to turn it into a threat for the Cupertino giant. For the first time last summer, Huawei overtook Apple and became the second-biggest smartphone maker in the world.

This year, Huawei did it again several times. Surprisingly, its sales once again outgrew those of Apple phones in the third quarter of this year, not long after it was banned from doing business with USA-based companies – including Google.

The Huawei ban
During the decade-long evolution of smartphones, many manufacturers tried to create their own, home-grown operating system – think Samsung and its Tizen, Microsoft with its Windows Phone, and others. The only manufacturer that did so successfully, in turn, was Apple, whose iOS predates Android by a year. All the other smartphone operating systems disappeared, leaving the market a duopoly, with Android having a market share of more than 80% today.

When the United States banned US-based companies from doing business with Huawei, the smartphone maker lost access to many important technologies – including the right to use Google’s services (like the Play Store, Maps, and such) on its upcoming phone. Any other manufacturer to suffer the same fate would’ve failed under such a measure – ZTE, another Chinese tech manufacturer, suffered a similar ban last year that lasted for three months, and it almost went bankrupt.

Huawei, in turn, didn’t shudder. Instead, it released its next flagship phone, the Mate 30 Pro, without support for Google Mobile Services – using only the open-source components of the Android operating systems. Many critics have bashed Huawei for this decision, claiming that the phone has no way of being successful. The numbers, in turn, say otherwise.

The top 5 smartphone manufacturers in the world
According to market analyst Canalys, the global smartphone market has grown by 1% in the third quarter of this year, for the first time in the last two years. Last quarter, 352 million smartphones were shipped on a global scale, about 3 million more than in the previous quarter. Considering how many exciting mid-range and high-end smartphones were released this year by pretty much every brand, this should not be a surprise.

The surprising part comes when you look at the market share of smartphone makers in the third quarter of the year. Samsung, as usual, dominates the market with a share of 22.4% (78.9 million phones shipped). The second place is, in turn, occupied by Huawei, which has increased its lead on Apple despite its issues with the US. According to Canalys, the Shenzen-based manufacturer has shipped 66.8 million handsets last quarter, showing a year-on-year growth of 29% – the biggest among all other manufacturers.

With 43.5 million units sold – 7% less than a year ago – Apple’s market share decreased to 12.3% last quarter. The Cupertino tech giant usually undergoes a serious sales boost during the holiday season, so its sales and market share will likely grow in the last quarter of this year. This, in turn, doesn’t change the fact that, once again, it was overtaken by Huawei – and by a pretty big margin, too.

The top 5 list of smartphone makers is completed by Xiaomi (32.5 million units sold, 9.2%), the manufacturer sometimes called the “Chinese Apple” (it sells everything from vacuum cleaners to laptops and smartphones), and Oppo, another Chinese manufacturer (32 million units sold, 9.1%). All other manufacturers together have a market share of 28%, with close to 99 million smartphones sold in the third quarter of 2019.

Huawei was helped by its popularity in China – it is the most popular brand there – to keep its sales up last quarter. It will be, in turn, interesting to see how the smartphone sales evolve in the fourth quarter of the year, boosted by the holiday season.

https://thetowerpost.com/2019/11/12/huawei-beats-apple-again-at-smartphone-sales-despite-usa-ban/

 

[Hiraa]

Huawei is coming up with innovative mobiles and Apple is creating garbage with three burner oven on its back.

 

[Rusty]

To your disappointment

Huawei Beats Apple Again At Smartphone Sales Despite USA Ban
November 12, 2019 TECHNOLOGY

The smartphone market today is dominated by two operating systems – Android and iOS – and just a handful of major manufacturers.


For years, the top two positions in the quarterly sales reports were dominated by the two biggest names in the smartphone market – Samsung, and Apple, in this order.

Last year, in turn, an unexpected brand started to show its muscle in the global smartphone business: Shenzen-based manufacturer Huawei.

The company was a raging success in China, where it became a de facto market leader with its Huawei and Honor brands, and people around the world started embracing it as an alternative to Samsung.


Not enough to threaten the South Korean giant’s position – but enough to turn it into a threat for the Cupertino giant. For the first time last summer, Huawei overtook Apple and became the second-biggest smartphone maker in the world.

This year, Huawei did it again several times. Surprisingly, its sales once again outgrew those of Apple phones in the third quarter of this year, not long after it was banned from doing business with USA-based companies – including Google.

The Huawei ban
During the decade-long evolution of smartphones, many manufacturers tried to create their own, home-grown operating system – think Samsung and its Tizen, Microsoft with its Windows Phone, and others. The only manufacturer that did so successfully, in turn, was Apple, whose iOS predates Android by a year. All the other smartphone operating systems disappeared, leaving the market a duopoly, with Android having a market share of more than 80% today.

When the United States banned US-based companies from doing business with Huawei, the smartphone maker lost access to many important technologies – including the right to use Google’s services (like the Play Store, Maps, and such) on its upcoming phone. Any other manufacturer to suffer the same fate would’ve failed under such a measure – ZTE, another Chinese tech manufacturer, suffered a similar ban last year that lasted for three months, and it almost went bankrupt.

Huawei, in turn, didn’t shudder. Instead, it released its next flagship phone, the Mate 30 Pro, without support for Google Mobile Services – using only the open-source components of the Android operating systems. Many critics have bashed Huawei for this decision, claiming that the phone has no way of being successful. The numbers, in turn, say otherwise.

The top 5 smartphone manufacturers in the world
According to market analyst Canalys, the global smartphone market has grown by 1% in the third quarter of this year, for the first time in the last two years. Last quarter, 352 million smartphones were shipped on a global scale, about 3 million more than in the previous quarter. Considering how many exciting mid-range and high-end smartphones were released this year by pretty much every brand, this should not be a surprise.

The surprising part comes when you look at the market share of smartphone makers in the third quarter of the year. Samsung, as usual, dominates the market with a share of 22.4% (78.9 million phones shipped). The second place is, in turn, occupied by Huawei, which has increased its lead on Apple despite its issues with the US. According to Canalys, the Shenzen-based manufacturer has shipped 66.8 million handsets last quarter, showing a year-on-year growth of 29% – the biggest among all other manufacturers.

With 43.5 million units sold – 7% less than a year ago – Apple’s market share decreased to 12.3% last quarter. The Cupertino tech giant usually undergoes a serious sales boost during the holiday season, so its sales and market share will likely grow in the last quarter of this year. This, in turn, doesn’t change the fact that, once again, it was overtaken by Huawei – and by a pretty big margin, too.

The top 5 list of smartphone makers is completed by Xiaomi (32.5 million units sold, 9.2%), the manufacturer sometimes called the “Chinese Apple” (it sells everything from vacuum cleaners to laptops and smartphones), and Oppo, another Chinese manufacturer (32 million units sold, 9.1%). All other manufacturers together have a market share of 28%, with close to 99 million smartphones sold in the third quarter of 2019.

Huawei was helped by its popularity in China – it is the most popular brand there – to keep its sales up last quarter. It will be, in turn, interesting to see how the smartphone sales evolve in the fourth quarter of the year, boosted by the holiday season.

https://thetowerpost.com/2019/11/12/huawei-beats-apple-again-at-smartphone-sales-despite-usa-ban/

Why would I be disappointed? I actually own a Huawei P20 pro, amazing camera.

Problem with Patriotic education is that you only see black and white and if someone is not licking your red shoes, they are your mortal enemies.

which law says huawei must provide cpc with data when asked?

I expect Chinese people not to know the law as China censors what the people can know, but you living in America surely should not be asking such elementary questions.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/hua...ata-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html

China’s National Intelligence Law from 2017 requires organizations and citizens to “support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work.”

 

[beijingwalker]

I expect Chinese people not to know the law as China censors what the people can know, but you living in America surely should not be asking such elementary questions.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/hua...ata-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html

China’s National Intelligence Law from 2017 requires organizations and citizens to “support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work.”

You believe US organizations don't hand over people's information to US government and don't cooperation with CIA or FBI?

 

[Rusty]

You believe US organizations don't hand over people's information to US government and don't cooperation with CIA or FBI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I know for a fact that Chinese law says companies have to give up data.
I also know that you will never admit to it since your social credit will go down and you will use what about ism to change the topic.