Huawei does not need US chips: CEO on Trump export ban

[phancong]

China isn't Japan to be a poodle to the US. Eventually with the size of China population and Chinese own middle class consumers will dominate the global economy. With money to spend on R&D in all key technology China will dominate all key technology in the future.

 

[Bengal71]

a better idea - work with the western countries

No his idea is the better one.

 

[Han Patriot]

a better idea - work with the western countries

Had been working together for the past few decades until Trump came. He is afraid of competition, by cooperation you mean bending backwards like Japan and India? We are the last independent power on earth capable of facing the US. A unipolar world is a dangerous world, competition is always good, else you will see US dominate every country on earth and you guys will be slaves forever.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Got lucky. Was thinking about ordering Huawei. Good. Any Android phones without playstore is sitting duck. Android for all its drawbacks had driven Chinese software innovation like Wechat or Tik Tok or some games. Now without android most of these apps will be Chinese only and will loose access to real apps the world uses and Chinese apps cannot compete with the world.

Hope China gives US an trade deal it badly wants. Not sure why China wanted to renogotiate again. Or give in to a ZTE kinda deal.

 

[Zhukov]

Y

No plan A, B, or C would work... Unless you have the Apps everyone uses. Hardware is secondary.

The problem is the app adoption which currently exclusively lies with Google or android.

The only other alternative is that Huawei puts aside $30 Billion dollars backed by the Chinese government to get all the app developers such as Skype, WhatsApp, snapchat, twitter etc. To make apps for the Unix/Linux based fork of Android.

Then and only then will Huawei will have an alternative OS platform... But this will be difficult because Nokia, BlackBerry, and Microsoft tried this and failed miserably.
Only BiG Money $$$ can make this happen.

you are mixing Google Play Services Embedded Android OS Licensed by Google and the Open Source Android OS that anyone can use to make their own Android based OS. Huawei dont need to create a new OS but a custom Android.
Huawei phones will still operate with android supporting all android apps as Android is open source. Google have no control on it. However Google Play services such as Play Store, Gmail, Google maps, google Drive, etc will not be bundled. Huawei have to come up with alternative for Google Services. An App store is no issue which is the basic need for most of consumers. But Google Maps and other goodies will need a lot of effort to replace.
Remember the AOSP and Cyanogen team? and all the Chinese Gingerbread based Android Tablets that came out without Google play services?

Personally i would prefer an Android phone Without Google sneaking into all of my personal details. And its a very bad precedence USA is setting by Blatantly interfering in International free market of commercial Goods and services.

 

[sinait]

Y

you are mixing Google Play Services Embedded Android OS Licensed by Google and the Open Source Android OS that anyone can use to make their own Android based OS. Huawei dont need to create a new OS but a custom Android.
Huawei phones will still operate with android supporting all android apps as Android is open source. Google have no control on it. However Google Play services such as Play Store, Gmail, Google maps, google Drive, etc will not be bundled. Huawei have to come up with alternative for Google Services. An App store is no issue which is the basic need for most of consumers. But Google Maps and other goodies will need a lot of effort to replace.
Remember the AOSP and Cyanogen team? and all the Chinese Gingerbread based Android Tablets that came out without Google play services?

Personally i would prefer an Android phone Without Google sneaking into all of my personal details. And its a very bad precedence USA is setting by Blatantly interfering in International free market of commercial Goods and services.

Google Play services, etc can be added as is done with phones sourced from China but it is a hassle having to download the files and installing it.
This was popularly done before Xiaomi came out with their international versions.
Huawei can simplify the procedure by including a sdcard with those files including a easy way to install.

This episode opens our eyes to the evil extend the US will go to hold all of us captive to the US.
All of us would do well to plan openly or in secret to forsake the EVIL CLAWS of the US.
.

 

[kankan326]

Huawei claims are really curious. There is no magic in designing and fabricating a chip. Even an indian lab could perhaps produce one chip for 100,000 USD. The challenge is to mass produce them at un beatable price while still making a large enough profit to further invest in research. Intel can perhaps mass produce the same chip for $400 while making a cool $250 as profit.
Even if Huawei developed all the infrastructure in the whole chain like photo lithography etc how could they possibly do it at a price say Intel cal ? I think what they mean is they are willing to spend more and still sell to world at competitive prices which means take a loss and subsidize world at china's cost. Now there is nothing profoundly wrong with it. Many countries do it - USA does it in agriculture for eg.
But if huawei really built an industrial ecosystem of chip fabrication at world competitive prices - all under shadows. Then they surely have some dark magic

If things go worse, China would ban all American chips from its market. China's market is big enough for Huawei's survival and domestic chip and software industries prosperity. Big enough to badly hurt American chip and software industries. Market is the king.

 

[Clutch]

Y

you are mixing Google Play Services Embedded Android OS Licensed by Google and the Open Source Android OS that anyone can use to make their own Android based OS. Huawei dont need to create a new OS but a custom Android.
Huawei phones will still operate with android supporting all android apps as Android is open source. Google have no control on it. However Google Play services such as Play Store, Gmail, Google maps, google Drive, etc will not be bundled. Huawei have to come up with alternative for Google Services. An App store is no issue which is the basic need for most of consumers. But Google Maps and other goodies will need a lot of effort to replace.
Remember the AOSP and Cyanogen team? and all the Chinese Gingerbread based Android Tablets that came out without Google play services?

Personally i would prefer an Android phone Without Google sneaking into all of my personal details. And its a very bad precedence USA is setting by Blatantly interfering in International free market of commercial Goods and services.

Some Google apps may stop working on Huawei phones amid US-China trade war

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In this file photo taken on March 6, 2019 a staff member of Huawei uses her mobile phone at the Huawei Digital Transformation Showcase in Shenzhen, China's Guangdong province. — AFP

US internet giant Google, whose Android mobile operating system powers most of the world's smartphones, said it was beginning to cut ties with China's Huawei, which Washington considers a national security threat.

The move could have dramatic implications for Huawei smartphone users, as the telecoms giant will no longer have access to Google's proprietary services — which include the Gmail and Google Maps apps — a source close to the matter told AFP.

In the midst of a trade war with Beijing, President Donald Trump has barred US companies from engaging in telecommunications trade with foreign companies said to threaten American national security.

Read: US intelligence says Huawei funded by Chinese state security: report

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The measure targets Huawei, the world's second-biggest smartphone maker, which has been listed by the US Commerce Department among firms that American companies can only engage with in trade after obtaining the green light from the authorities.

The ban includes technology sharing.

"We are complying with the order and reviewing the implications," a Google spokesperson told AFP.

"For users of our services, Google Play and the security protections from Google Play Protect will continue to function on existing Huawei devices."

Google, like all tech companies, collaborates directly with smartphone makers to ensure its systems are compatible with their devices.

Due to the ban, Google will now have to halt business activities with Huawei that involve direct transfer of hardware, software and technical services that are not publicly available — meaning Huawei will only be able to use the open source version of Android, the source told AFP.

Google apps such as Gmail and Maps should remain functional on Huawei phones at least initially, another source told AFP.

But while the ban on technology sharing is in place, Huawei will be required to manually access any updates or software patches from Android Open Source Project — the code accessible to all outside programmers — and also to distribute the updates to users itself.

A person familiar with the matter who requested anonymity told Bloomberg News that Huawei will be unable to offer Google's proprietary apps and services in the future.

Huawei did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

5G leader
Huawei is a rapidly expanding leader in 5G technology, and its smartphones outsold Apple's iPhones in the first quarter of this year, seizing the California company's second-place spot in a tightening smartphone market dominated by Samsung.

Read: Huawei jumps ahead of Apple in tough smartphone market

But the Chinese firm remains dependent on foreign suppliers.

It buys about $67 billion worth of components each year, including about $11 billion from US suppliers, according to The Nikkei business daily.

Huawei is the target of an intense campaign by Washington, which has been trying to persuade allies not to allow China a role in building next-generation 5G mobile networks.

US government agencies are already banned from buying equipment from Huawei.

Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei said on Saturday that "We have not done anything which violates the law," adding the US measures would have a limited impact.

Ren's army background and Huawei's opaque culture have fueled suspicions in some countries that the firm has links with the Chinese military and intelligence services.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

If things go worse, China would ban all American chips from its market. China's market is big enough for Huawei's survival and domestic chip and software industries prosperity. Big enough to badly hurt American chip and software industries. Market is the king.

That is the correct course of action.

But, nothing I have seen from Chinese leaders suggest that they are willing to punch back as yet.

They haven't responded in earnest yet.

In fact China can survive even without Intel chips, because there are replacements available.

 

[Wow]

Had been working together for the past few decades until Trump came. He is afraid of competition, by cooperation you mean bending backwards like Japan and India? We are the last independent power on earth capable of facing the US. A unipolar world is a dangerous world, competition is always good, else you will see US dominate every country on earth and you guys will be slaves forever.

Shhh shhhs shhh Bangladesh SUPA POWA dont bother him with facts and details im sure when thoses sweatshops and slums magically transform into producing semiconductors and rocket ship im sure the powers that be will let bongladesh be and not try to clamp down like they doing to china especially a Muslim country

bongladesh has been growing like 3000% year on year its gonna be a galactic power soon

 

[kankan326]

That is the correct course of action.

But, nothing I have seen from Chinese leaders suggest that they are willing to punch back as yet.

They haven't responded in earnest yet.

In fact China can survive even without Intel chips, because there are replacements available.

Xi is not mad Trump. It will come only when it is necessary. And this is not even the worst scenario. The worst is China bans all rare earth materials export to US. Which would paralyze American chip industry immediately.

 

[thunderr]

I need job in huawei BUT in Pakistan !! comeon we need a factory over here

 

[Dungeness]

The US is underestimating Huawei, says founder Ren Zhengfei - The Verge


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[Sharky]

Damn, I was about to buy the Huawei 30 pro.. good thing I waited.

 

[Nan Yang]

That is the correct course of action.

But, nothing I have seen from Chinese leaders suggest that they are willing to punch back as yet.

They haven't responded in earnest yet.

In fact China can survive even without Intel chips, because there are replacements available.

China do not have to do anything. Huawei already have huge market in China without google.
China will watch Trump killing US tech companies. US companies and wall street are on the same side as China.