How useful are ground based launchers like Bakter Shiken on a Navy asset ?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I was just curious to know the usefulness of such Anti Tank Missiles on a Navy asset like a ship / or boat

Tank's armor is different then the Navy ship , however Water damage on ship even from a small opening can mean bad news for the Ship

Can anyone elaborate on effectiveness of a Baktershiken like Missile launched from Ship's surface towards another Ship always wanted to know this answer

Quite a handly little thing

 

[syed_yusuf]

What is it's range, what is it's intended use on naval ships ? And what knd of naval vessels

 

[CriticalThought]

Well, the only case in my mind is Somali pirates using RPGs They are certainly not effective against the firepower of a modern naval warship.

To see what kind of damage a modern warship can sustain, look at the two collisions of US Navy destroyers. They were hit by thousands of tonnes of moving mass but the crew took damage control measures and they kept floating.

I am quite sure ship designers have thought this through and a few Baktar Shiksn against a large asset wouldn't be too effective.

On the lower end, recently a Pakistan Coast Guard (???? Correct me if I am wrong) ship was sunk by collision with a fishing boat. I am sure Baktar Shikan would be devastating here.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I was just thinking since we have many smaller size boats and ships etc we call fast attack boats
Can these assets be armed with a variation of the Ground based systems (anti Tank)

However I never knew what is the success figure for these Anti Tank missiles used on a ship of various proportions
Patrol boat or Corvette or Frigate etc

My first assumption is may be the ships have thicker armor vs a Tank but taking a 100% guess

The flight of such missiles is amazing seen some videos and they look quite useful easy to carry and install on practically any unit

I was thinking perhaps something creative like this installed on a small ship even a patrol ship takes little space very useful and specially if it is on a stealth Boat

 

[sparten]

Well if the shot reaches the magazine, then all bets are off.
The answer is basically what @CriticalThought says above, a small weapon like this is unlikley to sink a ship. However, the second point, that modern ships can tale a lot of damage is wrong. Modern vessels are designed to survive by avoiding getting hit rather than taking punishment.

Another reason is that it takes relatively little firepower (much less than what is needed to sink her) to mission kill a Naval vessel, which jammed packed with comm gear, sensors and weapons. A single shot won;t do mucn harm. A salvo OTH will certainly knock out enough RADAR, Comms and weapons launchers to require the ship to go to the repair yard.

@AZADPAKISTAN2009, a modern vessel has about 1' inch of steel for her hull, which is much less than a tank, several inches of composite armour. Typically the only protection is against fragments. At least a frigate or destroyer will have something important behind said hull. Carriers often have spaces so they would be better protected.

All in all, modern ships rely on not getting hit. If they are, they are hurt.

 

[CriticalThought]

Well I was just thinking since we have many smaller size boats and ships etc we call fast attack boats
Can these assets be armed with a variation of the Ground based systems (anti Tank)

However I never knew what is the success figure for these Anti Tank missiles used on a ship of various proportions
Patrol boat or Corvette or Frigate etc

My first assumption is may be the ships have thicker armor vs a Tank but taking a 100% guess

The flight of such missiles is amazing seen some videos and they look quite useful easy to carry and install on practically any unit

To me it seems like a very good idea against smaller boats and other FACs. Anything that belongs to Frigate or Destroyer class - forget it.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Most Anti Ship missiles by comparison are huge items fiarly heavy and long
example

North Korean unit below for example

I mean we bought a OHP old ship and it did not came with the Harpoon setup or launcher so just was wondering what is the best way to put some dentures on that ship


Even if the Bakter Shiken is not used for Navy but it does needs to evolve into something for Mobile units

Installable on APC or other military Anti Tank Units

This should be the next evolutionary goal for Bakter Shiken asset we have in our Military

Even Installable above such vehicle as an example imagine 8 Anti Tank Units above it

Or Nice addition to our Stealth boats

 

[Super Falcon]

I was just curious to know the usefulness of such Anti Tank Missiles on a Navy asset like a ship / or boat

Tank's armor is different then the Navy ship , however Water damage on ship even from a small opening can mean bad news for the Ship

Can anyone elaborate on effectiveness of a Baktershiken like Missile launched from Ship's surface towards another Ship always wanted to know this answer

Quite a handly little thing

These are anti tank weapons why u need them on ships do Indian tanks are swimming in water

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I was just curious to see how such weapons do against Navy Ships that is all they are acurrate and light weight and are quite interesting invention heavily used in Syria or modern conflict vs the stingers we saw in Afghanistan

 

[Penguin]

Effects of 84 mm Carl Gustav recoilless rifle shells on Drummond class corvette (built in France based on the A69 D'Estienne d'Orves-class avisos):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nians-disabled-warship-eve-Falklands-War.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_South_Georgia#ARA_Guerrico

Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_recoilless_rifle
Baktar Shikan is based on Chinese 'Red Arrow' HJ-8.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-8

Baktar Shikan would be a heavier missile and warhead than Carl Gustav, with more range and it would be guided (as opposed to unguided). Go figure that it could do more in such a scenario.

Still, much depends on the scenario. If you need ship-to-shore, then why not. Ship to ship is a different matter. Ship to air is impossible with this, realistically.

HEAT rounds just punch small hole, not much damage. You need an anti bunker warhead (HJ-8F) or thermobaric warhead (HJ-8FAE) to do more damage to a ship. HJ-8S - Variant with an anti ship warhead.

http://fdra.blogspot.nl/2015/04/atgm-hj-8-china.html

Carl Gustav also uses a range of rounds

M1A2 hit by an RPG-7 [presumably HEAT] to the turret side: almost complete penetration.
Most of the spaced armour plates had to be replaced. Note small size of hole.

Result of a 100/120 mm HEAT shell penetrating 1000 mm of RHA (Rolled homogeneous armour. The jet of molten metal burns through steel in a very narrow channel.

This is the hole a HEAT warhead makes when it hits a structure --- you couldn't fit more than three fingers into it;

 

[Haris Mansoor]

I don't think any anti tank missile can be used to sink a ship but yes it can surly damage enough the conning tower to by disabling its control systems that the ship will not be able to user its full potential.

 

[Tank131]

Against warship they are likely less than useless, however for coast guard or MSA, they could be employed for anti-piracy and law enforcement roles against fast moving targets like speed boats used by pirates or smugglers. Put them on a heli or a drone like sky saker h300 and you have a fast flexible interdiction option.

The USN is testing hellfire missiles on the littoral combat ships, to be used against small boat threats.

 

[Signalian]

Green arrow or baktar shikan has a few limitations tonne used against a ship.

It is a wire guided missile so the operator or the system would remain engaged with giving directions to the missile till it hits the target. A fire and forget midsole could be a better choice.

It's used on a tripod or a vehicle. The vehicle has to stop to fire it. This means the ship may need to stop to fire it.
secondly it's stability on a fluid service may get in question since land is not a moving object but water is a moving substance. Although software algos can solve it by inputting level corrective values to tell the system that it's on levelled surface for firing but is it worth the effort.

Range is a drawback. It's range is 4000m where as AShm's have very long ranges to engage enemy ships from a huge distance.

The space taken up by Baktar shikan launchers and ammunition can be better utilised by putting a proper AShm system on the ship.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Most Anti Ship missiles by comparison are huge items fiarly heavy and long
example

North Korean unit below for example

I mean we bought a OHP old ship and it did not came with the Harpoon setup or launcher so just was wondering what is the best way to put some dentures on that ship


Even if the Bakter Shiken is not used for Navy but it does needs to evolve into something for Mobile units

Installable on APC or other military Anti Tank Units

This should be the next evolutionary goal for Bakter Shiken asset we have in our Military

Even Installable above such vehicle as an example imagine 8 Anti Tank Units above it

Or Nice addition to our Stealth boats

Multi Launch version

 

[CriticalThought]

Multi Launch version
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WOW. They've been working on improvements! The tubes somehow look shorter from this angle?