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thesaker.is

A typical Pepe piece of writing.

At least it offers a different perspective to analyse and validate. It would be valuable to see how things moving on the ground might actually fall into place...or better said how the white and black pieces on the Go board will eventually look like.

I am all for Eurasian integeration with strong EU partnership...lest anyone forget EU remains a potent / strategic stakeholder in Eurasia as well.

Would be nice to see the PDF Analysts/Consultants providing unique insights and a synthesis of emerging dynamics from Turkey to Iran/ME to South West and South Asia.

We must also see the AF from the prism of Eurasia and not as stand alone hellhole. Same goes for Pak Balochistan...

That Russia and China are the strategic drivers of EEU and BRI is well documented. Can the other players play the SCO/BRI/EEU game or will they chart their own strategies and end will be a muddy soup with too many cooks?


There is only one grand board of Go... each player is placing its pieces. Contrary to the tradition of silence... one can hear loudly each time a piece is placed.

I believe it is perhaps too early to form a solid, validated opinion..yet forecast is the forte of analysts/consultants.

Gentlemen,
@Chinese-Dragon @cnleio @TaiShang @cabatli_53 @Khafee @Kaptaan @hellfire @Slav Defence @Joe Shearer @scorpionx @Horus @The Eagle .... your diverging, individual insights shall provide the posters with a framework to have an intelligent discussion. Thanks!

How Turkey, Iran, Russia and India are playing the New Silk Roads

by Pepe Escobar of the Asia Times (cross-posted by special agreement with the author)

A pacified Syria is key to the economic integration of Eurasia through energy and transportation connections

Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Hassan Rouhani will hold a summit this Wednesday in Sochi to discuss Syria. Russia, Turkey and Iran are the three power players at the Astana negotiations – where multiple cease-fires, as hard to implement as they are, at least evolve, slowly but surely, towards the ultimate target – a political settlement.

A stable Syria is crucial to all parties involved in Eurasia integration. As Asia Times reported, China has made it clear that a pacified Syria will eventually become a hub of the New Silk Roads, known as the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – building on the previous business bonanza of legions of small traders commuting between Yiwu and the Levant.

Away from intractable war and peace issues, it’s even more enlightening to observe how Turkey, Iran and Russia are playing their overlapping versions of Eurasia economic integration and/or BRI-related business.

Much has to do with the energy/transportation connectivity between railway networks – and, further on the down the road, high-speed rail – and what I have described, since the early 2000s, as Pipelineistan.

map2-580x366.gif


The Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline, a deal brokered in person in Baku by the late Dr Zbigniew “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski, was a major energy/geopolitical coup by the Clinton administration, laying out an umbilical steel cord between Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey.

Now comes the Baku-Tblisi-Kars (BTK) railway – inaugurated with great fanfare by Erdogan alongside Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Kvirikashvili, but also crucially Kazakh Prime Minister Bakhytzhan Sagintayev and Uzbek Prime Minister Abdulla Aripov. After all, this is about the integration of the Caucasus with Central Asia.

Erdogan actually went further: BTK is “an important chain in the New Silk Road, which aims to connect Asia, Africa, and Europe.” The new transportation corridor is configured as an important Eurasian hub linking not only the Caucasus with Central Asia but also, in the Big Picture, the EU with Western China.

BTK is just the beginning, considering the long-term strategy of Chinese-built high-speed rail from Xinjiang across Central Asia all the way to Iran, Turkey, and of course, the dream destination: the EU. Erdogan can clearly see how Turkey is strategically positioned to profit from it.

map1-580x255.jpg


Of course, BTK is not a panacea. Other connectivity points between Iran and Turkey will spring up, and other key BRI interconnectors will pick up speed in the next few years, such as the Eurasian Land Bridge across the revamped Trans-Siberian and an icy version of the Maritime Silk Road: the Northern Sea Route across the Arctic.

What’s particularly interesting in the BTK case is the Pipelineistan interconnection with the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TANAP), bringing natural gas from the massive Azeri gas field Shah Deniz-2 to Turkey and eventually the EU.

Turkish analyst Cemil Ertem stresses, “just like TANAP, the BTK Railway not only connects three countries, but also is one of the main trade and transport routes in Asia and Europe, and particularly Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan ports. It connects Central Asia to Turkey with the Marmaray project in Istanbul and via the Caspian region. Along with the Southern Gas Corridor, which constitutes TANAP’s backbone, it will also connect ports on the South China Sea to Europe via Turkey.”

It’s no wonder BTK has been met with ecstatic reception across Turkey – or, should we say, what used to be known as Asia Minor. It does spell out, graphically, Ankara’s pivoting to the East (as in increasing trade with China) as well as a new step in the extremely complex strategic interdependence between Ankara and Moscow; the Central Asian “stans”, after all, fall into Russia’s historical sphere of influence.

Add to it the (pending) Russian sale of the S-400 missile defense system to Ankara, and the Russian and Chinese interest in having Turkey as a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

From IPI to IP and then II
Now compare the BTK coup with one of Pipelineistan’s trademark cliff-hanging soap operas; the IPI (Iran-Pakistan-India), previously dubbed “the peace pipeline”.

IPI originally was supposed to link southeastern Iran with northern India across Balochistan, via the Pakistani port of Gwadar (now a key hub of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, CPEC). The Bush and Obama administrations did everything to prevent IPI from ever being built, betting instead on the rival TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) – which would actually traverse a war zone east of Herat, Afghanistan.

TAPI might eventually be built – even with the Taliban being denied their cut (that was exactly the contention 20 years ago with the first Clinton administration: transit rights). Lately, Russia stepped up its game, with Gazprom seducing India into becoming a partner in TAPI’s construction.

But then came the recent announcement by Russian Energy Minister Aleksandr Novak: Moscow and Tehran will sign a memorandum of understanding to build a 1,200km gas pipeline from Iran to India; call it II. And Gazprom, in parallel, will invest in unexplored Iranian gas fields along the route.

Apart from the fact of a major win for Gazprom – expanding its reach towards South Asia – the clincher is the project won’t be the original IPI (actually IP), where Iran already built the stretch up to the border and offered help for Islamabad to build its own stretch; a move that would be plagued by US sanctions. The Gazprom project will be an underwater pipeline from the Persian Gulf to the Indian Ocean.

From New Delhi’s point of view, this is the ultimate win-win. TAPI remains a nightmarish proposition, and India needs all the gas it can get, fast. Assuming the new Trump administration “Indo-Pacific” rhetoric holds, New Delhi is confident it won’t be slapped with sanctions because it’s doing business with both Iran and Russia.

And then there was another key development coming out of Putin’s recent visit to Tehran: the idea – straight out of BRI – of building a rail link between St. Petersburg (on the Baltic) and Chabahar port close to the Persian Gulf. Chabahar happens to be the key hub of India’s answer to BRI: a maritime trade link to Afghanistan and Central Asia bypassing Pakistan, and connected to the North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), of which Iran, India and Russia are key members alongside Caucasus and Central Asian nations.

You don’t need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows across Eurasia; integration, all the way.
 
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thesaker.is

A typical Pepe piece of writing.

At least it offers a different perspective to analyse and validate. It would be valuable to see how things moving on the ground might actually fall into place...or better said how the white and black pieces on the Go board will eventually look like.

I am all for Eurasian integeration with strong EU partnership...lest anyone forget EU remains a potent / strategic stakeholder in Eurasia as well.

Would be nice to see the PDF Analysts/Consultants providing unique insights and a synthesis of emerging dynamics from Turkey to Iran/ME to South West and South Asia.

We must also see the AF from the prism of Eurasia and not as stand alone hellhole. Same goes for Pak Balochistan...

That Russia and China are the strategic drivers of EEU and BRI is well documented. Can the other players play the SCO/BRI/EEU game or will they chart their own strategies and end will be a muddy soup with too many cooks?


There is only one grand board of Go... each player is placing its pieces. Contrary to the tradition of silence... one can hear loudly each time a piece is placed.

I believe it is perhaps too early to form a solid, validated opinion..yet forecast is the forte of analysts/consultants.

Gentlemen,
@Chinese-Dragon @cnleio @TaiShang @cabatli_53 @Khafee @Kaptaan @hellfire @Slav Defence @Joe Shearer @scorpionx @Horus @The Eagle .... your diverging, individual insights shall provide the posters with a framework to have an intelligent discussion. Thanks!

How Turkey, Iran, Russia and India are playing the New Silk Roads

by Pepe Escobar of the Asia Times (cross-posted by special agreement with the author)

A pacified Syria is key to the economic integration of Eurasia through energy and transportation connections

Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Hassan Rouhani will hold a summit this Wednesday in Sochi to discuss Syria. Russia, Turkey and Iran are the three power players at the Astana negotiations – where multiple cease-fires, as hard to implement as they are, at least evolve, slowly but surely, towards the ultimate target – a political settlement.

A stable Syria is crucial to all parties involved in Eurasia integration. As Asia Times reported, China has made it clear that a pacified Syria will eventually become a hub of the New Silk Roads, known as the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – building on the previous business bonanza of legions of small traders commuting between Yiwu and the Levant.

Away from intractable war and peace issues, it’s even more enlightening to observe how Turkey, Iran and Russia are playing their overlapping versions of Eurasia economic integration and/or BRI-related business.

Much has to do with the energy/transportation connectivity between railway networks – and, further on the down the road, high-speed rail – and what I have described, since the early 2000s, as Pipelineistan.

map2-580x366.gif


The Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline, a deal brokered in person in Baku by the late Dr Zbigniew “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski, was a major energy/geopolitical coup by the Clinton administration, laying out an umbilical steel cord between Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey.

Now comes the Baku-Tblisi-Kars (BTK) railway – inaugurated with great fanfare by Erdogan alongside Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Kvirikashvili, but also crucially Kazakh Prime Minister Bakhytzhan Sagintayev and Uzbek Prime Minister Abdulla Aripov. After all, this is about the integration of the Caucasus with Central Asia.

Erdogan actually went further: BTK is “an important chain in the New Silk Road, which aims to connect Asia, Africa, and Europe.” The new transportation corridor is configured as an important Eurasian hub linking not only the Caucasus with Central Asia but also, in the Big Picture, the EU with Western China.

BTK is just the beginning, considering the long-term strategy of Chinese-built high-speed rail from Xinjiang across Central Asia all the way to Iran, Turkey, and of course, the dream destination: the EU. Erdogan can clearly see how Turkey is strategically positioned to profit from it.

map1-580x255.jpg


Of course, BTK is not a panacea. Other connectivity points between Iran and Turkey will spring up, and other key BRI interconnectors will pick up speed in the next few years, such as the Eurasian Land Bridge across the revamped Trans-Siberian and an icy version of the Maritime Silk Road: the Northern Sea Route across the Arctic.

What’s particularly interesting in the BTK case is the Pipelineistan interconnection with the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TANAP), bringing natural gas from the massive Azeri gas field Shah Deniz-2 to Turkey and eventually the EU.

Turkish analyst Cemil Ertem stresses, “just like TANAP, the BTK Railway not only connects three countries, but also is one of the main trade and transport routes in Asia and Europe, and particularly Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan ports. It connects Central Asia to Turkey with the Marmaray project in Istanbul and via the Caspian region. Along with the Southern Gas Corridor, which constitutes TANAP’s backbone, it will also connect ports on the South China Sea to Europe via Turkey.”

It’s no wonder BTK has been met with ecstatic reception across Turkey – or, should we say, what used to be known as Asia Minor. It does spell out, graphically, Ankara’s pivoting to the East (as in increasing trade with China) as well as a new step in the extremely complex strategic interdependence between Ankara and Moscow; the Central Asian “stans”, after all, fall into Russia’s historical sphere of influence.

Add to it the (pending) Russian sale of the S-400 missile defense system to Ankara, and the Russian and Chinese interest in having Turkey as a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

From IPI to IP and then II
Now compare the BTK coup with one of Pipelineistan’s trademark cliff-hanging soap operas; the IPI (Iran-Pakistan-India), previously dubbed “the peace pipeline”.

IPI originally was supposed to link southeastern Iran with northern India across Balochistan, via the Pakistani port of Gwadar (now a key hub of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, CPEC). The Bush and Obama administrations did everything to prevent IPI from ever being built, betting instead on the rival TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) – which would actually traverse a war zone east of Herat, Afghanistan.

TAPI might eventually be built – even with the Taliban being denied their cut (that was exactly the contention 20 years ago with the first Clinton administration: transit rights). Lately, Russia stepped up its game, with Gazprom seducing India into becoming a partner in TAPI’s construction.

But then came the recent announcement by Russian Energy Minister Aleksandr Novak: Moscow and Tehran will sign a memorandum of understanding to build a 1,200km gas pipeline from Iran to India; call it II. And Gazprom, in parallel, will invest in unexplored Iranian gas fields along the route.

Apart from the fact of a major win for Gazprom – expanding its reach towards South Asia – the clincher is the project won’t be the original IPI (actually IP), where Iran already built the stretch up to the border and offered help for Islamabad to build its own stretch; a move that would be plagued by US sanctions. The Gazprom project will be an underwater pipeline from the Persian Gulf to the Indian Ocean.

From New Delhi’s point of view, this is the ultimate win-win. TAPI remains a nightmarish proposition, and India needs all the gas it can get, fast. Assuming the new Trump administration “Indo-Pacific” rhetoric holds, New Delhi is confident it won’t be slapped with sanctions because it’s doing business with both Iran and Russia.

And then there was another key development coming out of Putin’s recent visit to Tehran: the idea – straight out of BRI – of building a rail link between St. Petersburg (on the Baltic) and Chabahar port close to the Persian Gulf. Chabahar happens to be the key hub of India’s answer to BRI: a maritime trade link to Afghanistan and Central Asia bypassing Pakistan, and connected to the North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), of which Iran, India and Russia are key members alongside Caucasus and Central Asian nations.

You don’t need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows across Eurasia; integration, all the way.

There is another dimension to it; that of market protection.
 
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Why would India do anything but concentrate on the links between Chabahar and St. Petersburg? That goes through safe political regions, and merges into the existing rail lines to Europe. On the inward (into India) side, it offers us safe passage of energy fuels without being held to ransom. And the flanks can be covered relatively easily, as those parts of Afghanistan abutting the route are relatively less controlled by the Taliban and the IS than other, southern and eastern parts.
 
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Sochi is like paving the path to a revised Yelta, where the winners of WW2 divided the booties among themselves - mainly the USA and USSR!!! And, it remained in place since then - albeit with the departure of the USSR it tuned into a more "one eyed" pyramid structure!!! Now, the folks at the base have got tired of bearing the burden with blood and sweat!!! Question is who will be like Moses (PBUH) to deliver freedom to the rag tag folks by dividing the Sea of Blood into two by striking a mere stick??????

As for Pak, no arrangements can be made without her active participation - both friends and goes know it in their hearts and minds!!!! "Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them" - as observed by Shakespeare!!! But, little did he know to foretell that some folks are destined for all three divergent options operating simultaneously!!! And, there are also some other folks who are like - "let it be small but let it be mine", and "I will use all three wishes to bring down my neighbor"!!!!!!!
 
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thesaker.is

A typical Pepe piece of writing.

At least it offers a different perspective to analyse and validate. It would be valuable to see how things moving on the ground might actually fall into place...or better said how the white and black pieces on the Go board will eventually look like.

I am all for Eurasian integeration with strong EU partnership...lest anyone forget EU remains a potent / strategic stakeholder in Eurasia as well.

Would be nice to see the PDF Analysts/Consultants providing unique insights and a synthesis of emerging dynamics from Turkey to Iran/ME to South West and South Asia.

We must also see the AF from the prism of Eurasia and not as stand alone hellhole. Same goes for Pak Balochistan...

That Russia and China are the strategic drivers of EEU and BRI is well documented. Can the other players play the SCO/BRI/EEU game or will they chart their own strategies and end will be a muddy soup with too many cooks?


There is only one grand board of Go... each player is placing its pieces. Contrary to the tradition of silence... one can hear loudly each time a piece is placed.

I believe it is perhaps too early to form a solid, validated opinion..yet forecast is the forte of analysts/consultants.

Gentlemen,
@Chinese-Dragon @cnleio @TaiShang @cabatli_53 @Khafee @Kaptaan @hellfire @Slav Defence @Joe Shearer @scorpionx @Horus @The Eagle .... your diverging, individual insights shall provide the posters with a framework to have an intelligent discussion. Thanks!

How Turkey, Iran, Russia and India are playing the New Silk Roads

by Pepe Escobar of the Asia Times (cross-posted by special agreement with the author)

A pacified Syria is key to the economic integration of Eurasia through energy and transportation connections

Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Hassan Rouhani will hold a summit this Wednesday in Sochi to discuss Syria. Russia, Turkey and Iran are the three power players at the Astana negotiations – where multiple cease-fires, as hard to implement as they are, at least evolve, slowly but surely, towards the ultimate target – a political settlement.

A stable Syria is crucial to all parties involved in Eurasia integration. As Asia Times reported, China has made it clear that a pacified Syria will eventually become a hub of the New Silk Roads, known as the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – building on the previous business bonanza of legions of small traders commuting between Yiwu and the Levant.

Away from intractable war and peace issues, it’s even more enlightening to observe how Turkey, Iran and Russia are playing their overlapping versions of Eurasia economic integration and/or BRI-related business.

Much has to do with the energy/transportation connectivity between railway networks – and, further on the down the road, high-speed rail – and what I have described, since the early 2000s, as Pipelineistan.

map2-580x366.gif


The Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline, a deal brokered in person in Baku by the late Dr Zbigniew “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski, was a major energy/geopolitical coup by the Clinton administration, laying out an umbilical steel cord between Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey.

Now comes the Baku-Tblisi-Kars (BTK) railway – inaugurated with great fanfare by Erdogan alongside Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Kvirikashvili, but also crucially Kazakh Prime Minister Bakhytzhan Sagintayev and Uzbek Prime Minister Abdulla Aripov. After all, this is about the integration of the Caucasus with Central Asia.

Erdogan actually went further: BTK is “an important chain in the New Silk Road, which aims to connect Asia, Africa, and Europe.” The new transportation corridor is configured as an important Eurasian hub linking not only the Caucasus with Central Asia but also, in the Big Picture, the EU with Western China.

BTK is just the beginning, considering the long-term strategy of Chinese-built high-speed rail from Xinjiang across Central Asia all the way to Iran, Turkey, and of course, the dream destination: the EU. Erdogan can clearly see how Turkey is strategically positioned to profit from it.

map1-580x255.jpg


Of course, BTK is not a panacea. Other connectivity points between Iran and Turkey will spring up, and other key BRI interconnectors will pick up speed in the next few years, such as the Eurasian Land Bridge across the revamped Trans-Siberian and an icy version of the Maritime Silk Road: the Northern Sea Route across the Arctic.

What’s particularly interesting in the BTK case is the Pipelineistan interconnection with the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TANAP), bringing natural gas from the massive Azeri gas field Shah Deniz-2 to Turkey and eventually the EU.

Turkish analyst Cemil Ertem stresses, “just like TANAP, the BTK Railway not only connects three countries, but also is one of the main trade and transport routes in Asia and Europe, and particularly Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan ports. It connects Central Asia to Turkey with the Marmaray project in Istanbul and via the Caspian region. Along with the Southern Gas Corridor, which constitutes TANAP’s backbone, it will also connect ports on the South China Sea to Europe via Turkey.”

It’s no wonder BTK has been met with ecstatic reception across Turkey – or, should we say, what used to be known as Asia Minor. It does spell out, graphically, Ankara’s pivoting to the East (as in increasing trade with China) as well as a new step in the extremely complex strategic interdependence between Ankara and Moscow; the Central Asian “stans”, after all, fall into Russia’s historical sphere of influence.

Add to it the (pending) Russian sale of the S-400 missile defense system to Ankara, and the Russian and Chinese interest in having Turkey as a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

From IPI to IP and then II
Now compare the BTK coup with one of Pipelineistan’s trademark cliff-hanging soap operas; the IPI (Iran-Pakistan-India), previously dubbed “the peace pipeline”.

IPI originally was supposed to link southeastern Iran with northern India across Balochistan, via the Pakistani port of Gwadar (now a key hub of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, CPEC). The Bush and Obama administrations did everything to prevent IPI from ever being built, betting instead on the rival TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) – which would actually traverse a war zone east of Herat, Afghanistan.

TAPI might eventually be built – even with the Taliban being denied their cut (that was exactly the contention 20 years ago with the first Clinton administration: transit rights). Lately, Russia stepped up its game, with Gazprom seducing India into becoming a partner in TAPI’s construction.

But then came the recent announcement by Russian Energy Minister Aleksandr Novak: Moscow and Tehran will sign a memorandum of understanding to build a 1,200km gas pipeline from Iran to India; call it II. And Gazprom, in parallel, will invest in unexplored Iranian gas fields along the route.

Apart from the fact of a major win for Gazprom – expanding its reach towards South Asia – the clincher is the project won’t be the original IPI (actually IP), where Iran already built the stretch up to the border and offered help for Islamabad to build its own stretch; a move that would be plagued by US sanctions. The Gazprom project will be an underwater pipeline from the Persian Gulf to the Indian Ocean.

From New Delhi’s point of view, this is the ultimate win-win. TAPI remains a nightmarish proposition, and India needs all the gas it can get, fast. Assuming the new Trump administration “Indo-Pacific” rhetoric holds, New Delhi is confident it won’t be slapped with sanctions because it’s doing business with both Iran and Russia.

And then there was another key development coming out of Putin’s recent visit to Tehran: the idea – straight out of BRI – of building a rail link between St. Petersburg (on the Baltic) and Chabahar port close to the Persian Gulf. Chabahar happens to be the key hub of India’s answer to BRI: a maritime trade link to Afghanistan and Central Asia bypassing Pakistan, and connected to the North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), of which Iran, India and Russia are key members alongside Caucasus and Central Asian nations.

You don’t need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows across Eurasia; integration, all the way.


A great find indeed.

However, the Iran India pipeline may be a non-starter except as means of an intent. My contention remains based on my own personal opinion regarding the other pieces which are moving at a rate - that of an increased consensus over Iran between US(tacitly)-Saudi Arabia-Israel.

I predict a concentrated attempt in South-South-East Iran over the coming months to couple of years, as part of this plan. Concomitantly, the Indian moves towards diversification of sources of Energy to US and slower than usual pace at Chabahar, have all the signs of 'hedging'.

This is my opinion as of today. The same may change with evolution in situation again.
 
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Why cant china let both india n russia to connect together ? Let the russian oil or gas through china to india.
 
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Why cant china let both india n russia to connect together ? Let the russian oil or gas through china to india.
Firstly, India is occupying China's South Tibet. India will never receive oil and gas from Russia through China as long as the Indian occupation continues.

Secondly, India (like Japan) is constantly making anti-China noises in the media. China's refusal to let Russian oil and gas flow into India through China is payback.

In conclusion, I don't think the situation will change in the next few decades. Forget about the idea of inexpensive Russian oil and gas flowing through Chinese pipelines into India.
 
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A great find indeed.

However, the Iran India pipeline may be a non-starter except as means of an intent. My contention remains based on my own personal opinion regarding the other pieces which are moving at a rate - that of an increased consensus over Iran between US(tacitly)-Saudi Arabia-Israel.

I predict a concentrated attempt in South-South-East Iran over the coming months to couple of years, as part of this plan. Concomitantly, the Indian moves towards diversification of sources of Energy to US and slower than usual pace at Chabahar, have all the signs of 'hedging'.

This is my opinion as of today. The same may change with evolution in situation again.


A good morning... should be noon on your end...

Perhaps important thing is to see the acceleration of geopolitical/geoeconomic dialectis in a wholistic/interconnected manner. I do understand that you have fashioned your opinion from Indian perspective. However, what would be delightful to know is your views as a professional.... of the entire picture.

Iran tussel is but one 'piece' on the board. Without any disrespect, I know you would accept this, India is one piece..albiet a very large one, since India is not completely an independent actor yet. No offence intended..just my studied observation.

I believe that the timeframe might be lesser than a year...say first two quarters next years...then we shall be able see which direction does it take.

I also believe that India is doing more than hedging... your state is trying to create a larger political/diplomatic capital and by the looks of things the Indian strategic calculus is pointing towards movement West. But too early to form a definitive opinion... so I shall excercise patience on this.

In a way it is a slow Tea Ceremony before the impeding tragedy... could have been avoided. Totally unnecessary. But then no tragedy is necessary.... let us call it Human Condition.

I wouldn't compare it to the WWII kind of situation..since context and moving factors/dynamics if you will... were different.. But that there is a flux in global power equatons with diverging vectors... is a fact.

Would be nice to have your analysis about the broader landscape, including your own region i.e. Indo-Pak probabilities... plus Sino-Indian calculations.

In this amphitheatre of the Absurd Tragedy.... do the observers have a choice to leave or just watch it unfold?

Regards,

Mangus
 
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Firstly, India is occupying China's South Tibet. India will never receive oil and gas from Russia through China as long as the Indian occupation continues.

Secondly, India (like Japan) is constantly making anti-China noises in the media. China's refusal to let Russian oil and gas flow into India through China is payback.

In conclusion, I don't think the situation will change in the next few decades. Forget about the idea of inexpensive Russian oil and gas flowing through Chinese pipelines into India.

1) A country which illegally occupies SCS and created fake islands on them , a country which swallowed whole tibet is asking india abt occupation.

2) You keep making moves against your neighbors and your neighbors cant even make noise ? Very good.

India dont need chinese space for oil or gas but it was just my point.
 
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1) A country which illegally occupies SCS and created fake islands on them , a country which swallowed whole tibet is asking india abt occupation.

2) You keep making moves against your neighbors and your neighbors cant even make noise ? Very good.

India dont need chinese space for oil or gas but it was just my point.
Hey, don't take it personally. I just answered your question.

China occupies a strategic position geographically. In contrast, India is just a peninsula.

It's more than just Russian oil and gas.

India is cut-off from the rest of Eurasia. The Indian occupation of Kashmir means Pakistan will never allow itself to be used as a transit route for India to Central Asia.

Similarly, the Sino-Indian territorial dispute means China is off-limits to India.

India might as well exist on a different planet. It is isolated from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Russia, and other Stan countries.

India suffers economically, because Tajikistan's cheap and plentiful natural gas is not available to India.

Beyond energy, India cannot benefit economically from interacting with Central Asia and Russia.

This is geopolitical checkmate. China's refusal to allow India to connect to the Chinese transportation hub means all of those countries' energy supplies and markets are off-limits to India.

Thus, India's economy struggles and Indians are impoverished. Indians don't have access to Central Asia or Russia.
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In reality, there is a land-based economic blockade of India by China and Pakistan. I think it's India's fault, because Indians are occupying South Tibet and Kashmir. In life, there is no free lunch. India's aggression against its neighbors carries an economic cost.

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Hey, don't take it personally. I just answered your question.

China occupies a strategic position geographically. In contrast, India is just a peninsula.

It's more than just Russian oil and gas.

India is cut-off from the rest of Eurasia. The Indian occupation of Kashmir means Pakistan will never allow itself to be used as a transit route for India to Central Asia.

Similarly, the Sino-Indian territorial dispute means China is off-limits to India.

India might as well exist on a different planet. It is isolated from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Russia, and other Stan countries.

India suffers economically, because Tajikistan's cheap and plentiful natural gas is not available to India.

Beyond energy, India cannot benefit economically from interacting with Central Asia and Russia.

This is geopolitical checkmate. China's refusal to allow India to connect to the Chinese transportation hub means all of those countries' energy supplies and markets are off-limits to India.

Thus, India's economy struggles and Indians are impoverished. Indians don't have access to Central Asia or Russia.
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In reality, there is a land-based economic blockade of India by China and Pakistan. I think it's India's fault, because Indians are occupying South Tibet and Kashmir. In life, there is no free lunch. India's aggression against its neighbors carries an economic cost.

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India dont need oil or gas through Russia or any Stan country in central asia. Iran or Gulf nations are already providing it cheaply. Even U.S supplied their gas shipments few months back.

if india needs central asia,its for land access to Europe. if there will be any war with pakistan in future, it will be for their kashmir.
 
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India dont need oil or gas through Russia or any Stan country in central asia. Iran or Gulf nations are already providing it cheaply. Even U.S supplied their gas shipments few months back.

if india needs central asia,its for land access to Europe. if there will be any war with pakistan in future, it will be for their kashmir.
You can say whatever you want, but you guys are dirt poor. Given India's location in South Asia, that would normally not make any sense.

India is located next to the largest and fastest-growing economies in the world. Yet, Indian nominal per-capita GDP is a dismal US$1,852 for this year (which is ranked #144 out of 193 countries).

The only way to explain India's persistent poverty is to understand that India is effectively cut-off from the rest of Asia. Since this won't change in the near future, we can expect Indian poverty to continue.
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You can make the argument that India doesn't need the rest of Asia. However, I would counter that India's crushing poverty and severe technological backwardness are indications of the cost of isolation from the rest of Asia.

Being cut-off from Asian energy, technology, and financing has made India a deeply impoverished Third World country. I don't see it changing. India is defiant and there will be no rapprochement with its neighbors.
 
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